European ATC experienced controller hiring...BS!
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From: Germany
1) leftovers are being recruited in the past and will be in the future... just an example: s.o. didn't get several checks out of langen acc (2,5 years of training), being posted to a small airfield/office work, etc...., dfs noticed the lack of "experienced" controllers, mentioned person is filling the gap....
I have heard of cases where people have been given second chances at another unit and sometimes been dragged along in training for quite a long time until ultimately leaving (or miraculously passing), but no such thing as you mention.
2) you deny the "insider deal" between the dfs and the mil's. ever been to krh uac?
So, where are all those uniformed gap-fillers supposed to save us?
Regards,
Robert
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From: stumbled in a TWR
How can he fill the gap when he didn't pass the checks and works at a small airfield/office work? :P
I have heard of cases where people have been given second chances at another unit and sometimes been dragged along in training for quite a long time until ultimately leaving (or miraculously passing), but no such thing as you mention.
I have heard of cases where people have been given second chances at another unit and sometimes been dragged along in training for quite a long time until ultimately leaving (or miraculously passing), but no such thing as you mention.
There are 150+ trainees at the Academy right now, none of them military (the last small military course just left).
So, where are all those uniformed gap-fillers supposed to save us?
So, where are all those uniformed gap-fillers supposed to save us?
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From: Germany
well, you're less than 2 years in the ops room, right? wait for another 3, you'll see....
right next to you?
So if they really tried to fill the gaps now, there would be new military courses.
I'm not saying they won't do that if it was possible. It isn't however. The military has its own gaps to fill, and is not sending any more.
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Robert
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From: stumbled in a TWR
current "OMG we have too few controllers" "surprise"
So if they really tried to fill the gaps now, there would be new military courses. [...] The military has its own gaps to fill, and is not sending any more.
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the FI-ad was published July/August 2008.....
And seeing how "quick" organizations like the DFS and Bundeswehr are, the actual planning of that course was done even much earlier than that.
70% fail in the DFS-academy, min. 10% more in OJT - hard to get s.o. to pull out the uniform. and those who left have to "problems" stated above......
At the Academy it has been less than a quarter for the last three military courses (that covers three years).
OJT is a different matter (the number is actually higher than 10%), but that's similar for civilian trainees.
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Robert
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From: stumbled in a TWR
At the Academy it has been less than a quarter for the last three military courses (that covers three years).
so, just to abandon the field, you're much more "deeper" in there
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From: In a Bubble
Well this has been a very interesting read. Here I am with my own little thread over yonder how-do-i-get-europe looking to find a good way for an experienced controller to find work on the other side of the world and I find unhappiness and confusion. Sounds like everywhere.
Nevertheless, I will not be deterred and make best of what is put before me.
Who is worth contacting directly to start chatting about possibilities in France, Germany, Switzerland etc?
Nevertheless, I will not be deterred and make best of what is put before me.
Who is worth contacting directly to start chatting about possibilities in France, Germany, Switzerland etc?
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From: Adrift upon the tides of fate
If you want to start a thread comparing various international options, then it would probably be well received. This thread is about DFS, and I would be interested to hear from people who made the decision to go ahead with them.
Otherwise, leave the bs out
Stick to stuff you know about.
Otherwise, leave the bs out
for instance Australia. cop a 20% tax on it
