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Ahh..so THATS what goes on at CTC.....
Only kidding folks. In all truth I have a few mates who work there and know its not all Starbucks and photocopying your balls
. From my perspective and the majority of my watch, CTC baiting is 100% tounge-in-cheek. Absolutely no one I have heard talking wants people to lose their jobs etc.
Zooker - the comment about the 'chap in the yellow shirt working on the new FAB' had me chuckling.
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Only kidding folks. In all truth I have a few mates who work there and know its not all Starbucks and photocopying your balls
. From my perspective and the majority of my watch, CTC baiting is 100% tounge-in-cheek. Absolutely no one I have heard talking wants people to lose their jobs etc. Zooker - the comment about the 'chap in the yellow shirt working on the new FAB' had me chuckling.
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frankie:
now you are getting somewhere.
So you wear flip flops & long shorts to work, think a lame website called crapunion.co.uk is hilarious and you like to called people who aren't ATCOs monkeys.
My, my, how clever ATCOs are.
My, my, how clever ATCOs are.
now you are getting somewhere.
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To my surprise I went to a meeting today at Swanwick, and in the canteen their were ATCOs wearing shorts and flip-flops 
Just goes to show not all you read on PPRUNE is BS!
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Just goes to show not all you read on PPRUNE is BS!
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Originally Posted by Spamcan defender
Only kidding folks. In all truth I have a few mates who work there and know its not all Starbucks and photocopying your balls 
. From my perspective and the majority of my watch, CTC baiting is 100% tounge-in-cheek. Absolutely no one I have heard talking wants people to lose their jobs etc.
. From my perspective and the majority of my watch, CTC baiting is 100% tounge-in-cheek. Absolutely no one I have heard talking wants people to lose their jobs etc.
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ATCOs wearing shorts
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NATS working together = BA guiding principles
At BA guiding principles was set up so that BALPA and BA mgmt could work closer together to achieve "win - win" outcomes. After a while the pilots felt that it was more like a one way street of concessions - a non return valve.
It's the same with NATS working together. At the end of the day so long as mgmt at NATS and BA are rewarded with bonuses for driving down costs (your pay and conditions) then there's only going to be one outcome. Remember it's their full time job to manage you and make you "more efficient"; whilst you have to do your job and if you have the strength at the end of the day you've got to fight to keep hold of what you signed up for. Bit by bit they'll keep taking from you and it turns into the death of a thousand cuts.
WRT what you wear at work then ATCOs only have themselves to blame. Quite right that as long as you're comfortable then what you wear doesn't effect how well you do you job BUT... what you wear will have an effect on how you percieve yourselves, your perception of the status of your work and how others in the workplace look at you. Thus it has an influence in the relationship you will have with your managers. So you go into a meeting with your boss wearing flip flops, shorts and looking like a teenager whilst your manager is wearing a suit - how do you think this will effect the game? Hint - google transactional analysis.
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At BA guiding principles was set up so that BALPA and BA mgmt could work closer together to achieve "win - win" outcomes. After a while the pilots felt that it was more like a one way street of concessions - a non return valve.
It's the same with NATS working together. At the end of the day so long as mgmt at NATS and BA are rewarded with bonuses for driving down costs (your pay and conditions) then there's only going to be one outcome. Remember it's their full time job to manage you and make you "more efficient"; whilst you have to do your job and if you have the strength at the end of the day you've got to fight to keep hold of what you signed up for. Bit by bit they'll keep taking from you and it turns into the death of a thousand cuts.
WRT what you wear at work then ATCOs only have themselves to blame. Quite right that as long as you're comfortable then what you wear doesn't effect how well you do you job BUT... what you wear will have an effect on how you percieve yourselves, your perception of the status of your work and how others in the workplace look at you. Thus it has an influence in the relationship you will have with your managers. So you go into a meeting with your boss wearing flip flops, shorts and looking like a teenager whilst your manager is wearing a suit - how do you think this will effect the game? Hint - google transactional analysis.
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Ah yes, but you fail to specify whether they were "long shorts" or merely "shorts"...I believe there is a huge difference between the two
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WRT what you wear at work then ATCOs only have themselves to blame. Quite right that as long as you're comfortable then what you wear doesn't effect how well you do you job BUT... what you wear will have an effect on how you percieve yourselves, your perception of the status of your work and how others in the workplace look at you. Thus it has an influence in the relationship you will have with your managers. So you go into a meeting with your boss wearing flip flops, shorts and looking like a teenager whilst your manager is wearing a suit -
When I am in the Public [Customer] wiew, I will dress accordingly [as when I was a F;ight Briefing Officer]....When sitting in the Tower, or on the wings, I wore a Polo shirt and slacks. As a Runway Controller, then I certainly wore shorts
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exaclty, i have never heard so much old ****. it's invneting things like transitional analysis that is why there are so many monkeys working at ctc. we are becoming a nation of pussys.
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wearing flip flops, shorts and looking like a teenager
For the record the way I dress today, with the exception of my trainers (which for the benefit of our resident fashionista Frank Disclosure are vintage Air Max 90s in the old skool infrared colourway) bears no resemblance to what i wore in 1990.
As for the rest of the paragraph...I agree with the above 2 comments. Transactional analysis? WTF?
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If its hot I will wear tshirt, shorts and maybe flippedy flops. If its cold I will wear jeans and a jumper. Do I give a balls what my manager thinks or anyone else..... NO!
Although dressing like a cabin boy is 777's personal choice. But i guess mister frank probably thinks that wearing a shirt and trousers may remind me that I shouldnt aim planes at one another...... Duh!!!
You work in an office, we dont.
You have office wear, we dont.
You have meetings to attend, we dont.
You are a clone, erm.... some of us aren't.
There is a fancy dress shop in Botley, big discount on shirt, ties and monkey suits if you show your ctc costa loyalty card!
Although dressing like a cabin boy is 777's personal choice. But i guess mister frank probably thinks that wearing a shirt and trousers may remind me that I shouldnt aim planes at one another...... Duh!!!
You work in an office, we dont.
You have office wear, we dont.
You have meetings to attend, we dont.
You are a clone, erm.... some of us aren't.
There is a fancy dress shop in Botley, big discount on shirt, ties and monkey suits if you show your ctc costa loyalty card!
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Although dressing like a cabin boy is 777's personal choice.
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I find it rather sad that the issue that seems to galvanise my colleagues most is not ATSAs losing their jobs, nor the pension issues, nor pay, nor NSL/NERL splitting up.......it's a complete rumour about dress code that started with a comment from a manager getting blown up out of all proportion.
And who said ATCOs were selfish?
And who said ATCOs were selfish?
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As it happens, I am claiming my [ATSA] pension.
I have been proud to work with the majority of ATCOs....
but, there have been one or two who were PITA
Some you win, some you get out.....PD chuffin' Q
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I have been proud to work with the majority of ATCOs....
but, there have been one or two who were PITA
Some you win, some you get out.....PD chuffin' Q
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While some of you think it is relevant to bicker about dress codes and whether you are more important than office workers, it is worth repeating Bucking Broncos statement that should be a warning to all of us:
Criticising your fellow workers will not improve your lot one bit but but it is obviously easier than pulling together and actually doing something constructive.
At the end of the day so long as mgmt at NATS and BA are rewarded with bonuses for driving down costs (your pay and conditions) then there's only going to be one outcome. Remember it's their full time job to manage you and make you "more efficient"
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Dress codes and self importance aside. Whilst i may wear shorts and flip flops to work tommorow, i will also think about the operational jobs on the line whilst tucking into my microwaved meal (but only if i get it through security as it might have too much sauce and therefore will be a risk to national security). Hopefully so will Mr Frank and his colleagues who can rely on the faithful chef employed solely to stir fry thier lunch, which can be chosen from the varied selection of ingredients available and, who will of course be wearing an appropriate unifrom whilst doing so. Then onwards they will go for a game of chess in the garden.
After my meal i will be satisfied that although everyday at work we are reminded of how much a paper clip costs and that we have to get rid of more assistants and a few controllers to make the contract work, the large overhead paid to ctc every year is being used wisely.
After my meal i will be satisfied that although everyday at work we are reminded of how much a paper clip costs and that we have to get rid of more assistants and a few controllers to make the contract work, the large overhead paid to ctc every year is being used wisely.