Prospect decide to pull away from NATS Working Together
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Not wanting to get into an argument I just thought I'd make the point and be a bit defensive.
I realise you're only refering to managment types, but feeling defensive at the moment, just like to make it clear that I don't think anyone I know at the CTC really cares how scruffy you look, certainly not me, I think they're just surprised that's all. I've seen a few CTC based workers who appear more scruffy than any ATCO I've seen mind; they do look out of place - strangley they always seem to be union members!
There's a time and a place; if you have a meeting with external clients and you have to give a good impression, then there's obviously a need to look smart. An ATCO at the CTC for training, I don't think people really care.
Please don't think that the majority of workers at the CTC think the same way as upper management. There's internal politics that has to be played to get anywhere, but that's another thread...
BTW, I'm not an engineer; I get paid much less.
Ho hum, better decide how I'm going to vote.
I realise you're only refering to managment types, but feeling defensive at the moment, just like to make it clear that I don't think anyone I know at the CTC really cares how scruffy you look, certainly not me, I think they're just surprised that's all. I've seen a few CTC based workers who appear more scruffy than any ATCO I've seen mind; they do look out of place - strangley they always seem to be union members!
There's a time and a place; if you have a meeting with external clients and you have to give a good impression, then there's obviously a need to look smart. An ATCO at the CTC for training, I don't think people really care.
Please don't think that the majority of workers at the CTC think the same way as upper management. There's internal politics that has to be played to get anywhere, but that's another thread...
BTW, I'm not an engineer; I get paid much less.
Ho hum, better decide how I'm going to vote.
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I seem to remember one of the first truces or tvcs ran at ctc after the move to swanwick from WD and somebody mentioned to whoever was running the course that the standard of dress could be improved.
This is second hand information , but the source is reliable.
This is second hand information , but the source is reliable.
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Back to the pay deal..Pay peanuts and you get monkeys! (or elelphants)
Sorry..couldn't resist..it was meant light hearted before anyone else jumps on the bandwagon.
Sorry..couldn't resist..it was meant light hearted before anyone else jumps on the bandwagon.
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any chance we could get back on topic?? I really don't give a stuff about ATCOs being scruffy and am bored with persistent CTC bashing by people who don't understand (or don't want to understand) the business functions carried out there. Thanks.
Jonny B Good's post mentioned an ATSS BEC this week but the post has gone. I can't find the date elsewhere, does anyone else know? What would happen if one branch pulls out of Working Together but the other stays in - the letter to management was related to unilateral action by NATS affecting ATCO branch interests only. Does Prospect keep a united front as Prospect, or do the separate section representation make their own mind up? It would seem daft to do the latter if the vote goes the way I hope and we may actually need to stand up as one force. But then why wasn't the letter to management a joint letter from the two Prospect branches and PCS...
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Jonny B Good's post mentioned an ATSS BEC this week but the post has gone. I can't find the date elsewhere, does anyone else know? What would happen if one branch pulls out of Working Together but the other stays in - the letter to management was related to unilateral action by NATS affecting ATCO branch interests only. Does Prospect keep a united front as Prospect, or do the separate section representation make their own mind up? It would seem daft to do the latter if the vote goes the way I hope and we may actually need to stand up as one force. But then why wasn't the letter to management a joint letter from the two Prospect branches and PCS...
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What would happen if one branch pulls out of Working Together but the other stays in
(and play straight into managements hands)
IMHO
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You think comparing people who work in offices to monkeys can be classed as a bit of fun?
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You think comparing people who work in offices to monkeys can be classed as a bit of fun?
Do you think that ATCOs wearing "long shorts" (whatever they are) and "flip flops" has ANYTHING to do with Prospect puliing out of the working together agreement??
If you re read my original post you’ll see I never said long shorts and flip flops had anything to do with the ATCOs withdrawing from the working together agreement.
My post doubted NATS’s senior management would be too concerned at this turn of events and the reference to beach wear being worn in the Ops room was made after the observation that unlike previous managements Paul Barron & Co. weren’t scared of ATCOs.
Now, back to your monkey comment; please explain how comparing a group of workers to monkeys can be considered a bit of fun.
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the reference to beach wear being worn in the Ops room was made after the observation that unlike previous managements Paul Barron & Co. weren’t scared of ATCOs.
From Urban Dictionary...office monkey: "A person employed in an office". Thats it. No reference to animals...or did you think it was something i just made up off the top of my head?
For the record, I have plenty of friends who work in offices and have absolutely no problem being referred to as office monkeys.Mods, apologies for thread hijack, I believe he's got his answer now
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To get back to the thread topic. NATS management must be quaking in their boots, they have probably achieved all that they wanted to.
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Kaboodle - that's fantastic, best laugh I've had in years.
Surprised there isn't an ad in the 'Wanted' section for 16 revolving doors to be fitted to GM's offices.
Surprised there isn't an ad in the 'Wanted' section for 16 revolving doors to be fitted to GM's offices.
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you should send in an email to [email protected] with suggestions - the web owner might just add stuff - it certainly indicates that on the website...
Wonder what the subscription fees will be
you should send in an email to [email protected] with suggestions - the web owner might just add stuff - it certainly indicates that on the website...
Wonder what the subscription fees will be
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