South African ATC
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Are you guys doing training lately or just overworked??? Came in wednesday night, AVAGO2B, crap weather, radar vectored to ILS 21L, vectoring was ok, controller didn't seem to be impressed with us as we asked to turn base within 8 miles to avoid weather. Got onto the LOC at FL 090, got asked to slow to 160 IAS, so we did... Advised him we were now above glide, we got told to take up a heading of 310, although we advised him we could make it straight in. The next few minutes must have been overkill for him as we could not get a call in, trying to tell him we would now pick up base for 21L to avoid. Next thing you know a calm relaxed controller comes on, directs his traffic and no more radio cluttering.....
My question is, do you guys train ATCO's (in sheeit weather) or was the poor guy just overloaded??
My question is, do you guys train ATCO's (in sheeit weather) or was the poor guy just overloaded??
Join Date: Sep 2003
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Sh*te wx is the best time to perform training. OJTI should not let safety get compromised, so if WX avoidance was a problem because you could not get a word in, he might have let it go a tad too far.
That said, "CB days" are a bit**!
That said, "CB days" are a bit**!
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Not sure about FAJS but seeing that we use the same system we do have ''WEATHER RADAR'' if you can call it that. Its very limited and cant be used to vector aircraft around storms. At our station 60% of the time its not working. On the radar all you see is a blue or brown blob, depending on the intensity of moisture picked up, in the area of the storm. Blue can also just be a heavy rain shower. In durban you always have some blue on the radar due to the humidity in the air. The brilliant system we have throws the weather radar over the terrain clearance chart which means if theres a lot of ''blue'' on the radar you have to switch the WR off to see the chart.
For the training Q. We put a message on the datis that the pilots receive with the weather ie. Dual training on twr and/or app.
For the training Q. We put a message on the datis that the pilots receive with the weather ie. Dual training on twr and/or app.
Join Date: Jun 2002
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FAJS also have a weather radar similar to the one described above. As for the rest, some of the ATC are inexperienced, unmotivated and sometimes downright incompetent although never enough to be unsafe (thank goodness). I'm afraid it's luck-of-the-draw as to who you get on any given day.
The powers that be have the same leadership skills as the hounorable Mr Malema so it's as good as it's going to get for the near future.
Most of the training is on the job, i.e. Very little sim training so the students have to take what they can get wrt weather, ils calibrations and any other extraordinary circumstances.
Overall I think the service is not bad considering the circumstances, however it is a long way off world class, especially where consistency is concerned.
The powers that be have the same leadership skills as the hounorable Mr Malema so it's as good as it's going to get for the near future.
Most of the training is on the job, i.e. Very little sim training so the students have to take what they can get wrt weather, ils calibrations and any other extraordinary circumstances.
Overall I think the service is not bad considering the circumstances, however it is a long way off world class, especially where consistency is concerned.
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They all a great bunch of guys and girls to work with when I was last there, just a few $&@"!? still around, one I believe left to start own buss but came bk, some still with big big attitudes but hey you get that everywhere! hopefully you guys get a nice 2010 bonus..... Ja right! Speaking to few of the guys still there , not all that bad, JUST BE CAREFULL WITH YOUR WIVES AND GIRLFRIENDS, certain ex instr now ATC has been plying his trade again!!
Keep a cool tool and a tight ass
Keep a cool tool and a tight ass
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One thing I have learnt about ATNS is that you often have to find things out yourself
On your pronav display you will see a whole lot of small icons on the right side. They will show you the weather around all the major airports and the info is updated every few mins!!!!
Lovely to sit at CPT and inform the pilots of how the wx looks where they are going to!!!!!!!!!!!
On your pronav display you will see a whole lot of small icons on the right side. They will show you the weather around all the major airports and the info is updated every few mins!!!!
Lovely to sit at CPT and inform the pilots of how the wx looks where they are going to!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just heard that 1 more resigned and is of to Abu dhabi Acc, also that the FEdex man has been doing the rounds for the omAA guys, heard the boss from that pool is off!!! Fun and games, heard the wife/gf stealer is also trying to get to the land of sand, frankly don't think they want him.... At the end of the day it's all about trust! Hope that the guys and fuels left keep the SWC 2010 going. Keep a tight ass and cool tool:-)
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Just heard that 1 more resigned and is of to Abu dhabi Acc
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INSIDER INFO REQUIRED....
What happened to the HUGE amount of respondant applicants for the WC2010... Were any employed or rather have any arrived...? They are out there but does ATNS have interest in hiring ... Too late now...
What a Circus, but then again, we all knew the result before the bet...
from the Land of Sand...
What happened to the HUGE amount of respondant applicants for the WC2010... Were any employed or rather have any arrived...? They are out there but does ATNS have interest in hiring ... Too late now...
What a Circus, but then again, we all knew the result before the bet...
from the Land of Sand...
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We don't need help
Why do you need foreign controllers if you can work the remaining few into the ground?
Original SWC plan was to have 6 controllers in the morning, 6 controllers in the afternoon and 5 controllers on a nightshift on the 4 pre-sequencing Area sectors into FAJS.Final result = 5 in the morning, 5 in the afternoon and 3 on a nightshift.
Give them 7 hour shifts-work 2 hours break 30 mins-work 2 hours-break 30 mins and then work 2 hours.Request all the remaining guys to sell 2 off days and vuella problem solved!You don't need 42 controllers,you can do it with 23!
All not negotiable because that's what I want and you do NOT work 144 hours!(If you don't sell your off days)
You then enforce these shifts from a month before the SWC start to get the guys endurance up to standard ( fitness training)
Let's see how long the people will last in the middle of the winter running at full capacity from 0600 until 0100 (19 hours) as predicted by the "ENFORCER".
Yes 2 resignations and 2 non-validations did not help the course but eeishhh some of us would like to continue to work beyond SWC 2010!!
Enforcer I admire you for only having 3 days off during the SWC,but don't expect the same from me,I am one that would like to continue beyond SWC.I hope your Guardian Angels will keep up with you.
Yes I am concerned,very concerned and I am one of the more experienced guys.
Original SWC plan was to have 6 controllers in the morning, 6 controllers in the afternoon and 5 controllers on a nightshift on the 4 pre-sequencing Area sectors into FAJS.Final result = 5 in the morning, 5 in the afternoon and 3 on a nightshift.
Give them 7 hour shifts-work 2 hours break 30 mins-work 2 hours-break 30 mins and then work 2 hours.Request all the remaining guys to sell 2 off days and vuella problem solved!You don't need 42 controllers,you can do it with 23!
All not negotiable because that's what I want and you do NOT work 144 hours!(If you don't sell your off days)
You then enforce these shifts from a month before the SWC start to get the guys endurance up to standard ( fitness training)
Let's see how long the people will last in the middle of the winter running at full capacity from 0600 until 0100 (19 hours) as predicted by the "ENFORCER".
Yes 2 resignations and 2 non-validations did not help the course but eeishhh some of us would like to continue to work beyond SWC 2010!!
Enforcer I admire you for only having 3 days off during the SWC,but don't expect the same from me,I am one that would like to continue beyond SWC.I hope your Guardian Angels will keep up with you.
Yes I am concerned,very concerned and I am one of the more experienced guys.
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Heard that a collared shirt will solve all the problems!!! Keep the cool tool and tight ass mates:-) Juggie keep them separated like u brilliantly do, We waiting for DVZ......
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Heard the word on the floor is the guys and gurls are not happy at all about the new 7 hr shifts :-(, what's up with mr maaandag, and to implement this just before the SWC 2010???? I presume it's all in the master plan , head honcho come Hammerhead AJB CDN
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Hey all,
I was hoping somebody could help me with some direct contact address for ATNS...
I had a contact that I received from a former colleague of mine at Eurocontrol, for LouiseD, but this email does not seem to be working....
Any contact address from somebody in the training devision would be highly appreciated, others from the ops devision would as well be appreciated ofcourse.
Cheerio mates,
take care during the world cup!
I was hoping somebody could help me with some direct contact address for ATNS...
I had a contact that I received from a former colleague of mine at Eurocontrol, for LouiseD, but this email does not seem to be working....
Any contact address from somebody in the training devision would be highly appreciated, others from the ops devision would as well be appreciated ofcourse.
Cheerio mates,
take care during the world cup!
Stoffel
Louise left ATNS years ago and now lives in Australia and has not been with ATNS for over 2 years.
you have PM however you should be more specific in what information you are looking for so that we can direct you to the correct department.
Alternatively there is a tab on the ATNS website that you can submit queries on and these will be forwarded to the relevant person.
ATNS Air Traffic and Navigation Services Africa - ATNS Air Traffic and Navigation Services Africa
Louise left ATNS years ago and now lives in Australia and has not been with ATNS for over 2 years.
you have PM however you should be more specific in what information you are looking for so that we can direct you to the correct department.
Alternatively there is a tab on the ATNS website that you can submit queries on and these will be forwarded to the relevant person.
ATNS Air Traffic and Navigation Services Africa - ATNS Air Traffic and Navigation Services Africa
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Hey what's going on there !! 4CVs from 267 land on the table here in omaa, heard huge uproar from the guys and girls on the floor, we still need more however NO WIFE STEALERs allowed here! Just see what happens if he did it here in the land of sand
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yaaaaawn
You need lots of sleep before a shift and very good bladder controll to survive a shift nowadays!Don't dare to drink a drop of liquid while on position and you better not be a smoker.
Record is 42 mins without a transmission.How to keep staff motivated and happy has taken on a new meaning.I mean happy people are trouble!
Record is 42 mins without a transmission.How to keep staff motivated and happy has taken on a new meaning.I mean happy people are trouble!
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now now juggie love, the only reason why your pool's happiness levels have increased so significantly is because we all know that secretly you people LOVE working for 7 hours without a break!!! man, i've never seen you so happy 
come now, what colours are your undies?? ek vir jou ATNS!
come now, what colours are your undies?? ek vir jou ATNS!