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the thing is, it may help you go through the feast but in any way it will help you through the selection proccess.
Congrats, you're through stage 1, let's see if you can go through the psychological tests and the interview as well. And please keep us updated as I think none of you guys who practiced in feast.com ever posted here your final result. Maybe i'm wrong, but no one got to the end?
Anyway, i still dont understand why people come to this thread when they're not applying to eurocontrol. This thread is not called feast... :o
best of luck*
Congrats, you're through stage 1, let's see if you can go through the psychological tests and the interview as well. And please keep us updated as I think none of you guys who practiced in feast.com ever posted here your final result. Maybe i'm wrong, but no one got to the end?
Anyway, i still dont understand why people come to this thread when they're not applying to eurocontrol. This thread is not called feast... :o
best of luck*
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If they didn't want us to practice then they wouldn't tell us the name of the test. They also told us we can find information on the internet so that we know what to expect.
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what i said is what eurocontrol told me. and the psychologists of the german air traffic control said exactly the same, that you either have the skills or not and that it is not practicable.
and why do they allow you to take it again after two years? because the test is only a test, it is not the real training, so it is possible that applicants who passed the test fail the training as well as applicants who failed the test could have passed the training.
but the chances with the test are higher to succeed.
if you really think so, why don't you send an email to eurocontrol and ask how you can prepare? and what are the best preperation tools?
"It is understandable that people want to be successful in these tests, but preparing for them is not the same as the kind of preparation you might have made in the past for school examinations. In reality, you have to be confident in your skills and ability. Even though similar tests are available on the market, it would not be of any help to be successful in the testing procedure, because you have been able to practise, if you don’t feel really at ease with the cognitive and behavioural requirements. In these circumstances, even if you started the training, you might well fail later on. Therefore, we recommend that you do not focus too much on the psychological tests."
do you think they wrote this as a joke????
and why do they allow you to take it again after two years? because the test is only a test, it is not the real training, so it is possible that applicants who passed the test fail the training as well as applicants who failed the test could have passed the training.
but the chances with the test are higher to succeed.
if you really think so, why don't you send an email to eurocontrol and ask how you can prepare? and what are the best preperation tools?
"It is understandable that people want to be successful in these tests, but preparing for them is not the same as the kind of preparation you might have made in the past for school examinations. In reality, you have to be confident in your skills and ability. Even though similar tests are available on the market, it would not be of any help to be successful in the testing procedure, because you have been able to practise, if you don’t feel really at ease with the cognitive and behavioural requirements. In these circumstances, even if you started the training, you might well fail later on. Therefore, we recommend that you do not focus too much on the psychological tests."
do you think they wrote this as a joke????
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Eurocontrol suggested feasttest.com as a preparation tool. And the people who called to invite us for part 2 suggested that we search the internet for prep tools on DART.
Anw, there is no point in arguing about this. All I am saying is that you may have the skills and that practice will improve those skills. You may pass with no practice whatsoever, but with practice you will definitely, in my opinion, achieve better results. On the other hand, if you don't have the skills, no amount of practice could make any difference, so practice or no practice, you will fail.
These are not skills that can be taught. No one can teach you how to fold a cube, you just have to be able to envision it. And since most of us do not have a hobby of folding cubes, practice will improve someone's spatial awareness. I do not agree that "practice makes perfect" but it sure makes "good", "better" and this is what I am aiming for.
Anw, there is no point in arguing about this. All I am saying is that you may have the skills and that practice will improve those skills. You may pass with no practice whatsoever, but with practice you will definitely, in my opinion, achieve better results. On the other hand, if you don't have the skills, no amount of practice could make any difference, so practice or no practice, you will fail.
These are not skills that can be taught. No one can teach you how to fold a cube, you just have to be able to envision it. And since most of us do not have a hobby of folding cubes, practice will improve someone's spatial awareness. I do not agree that "practice makes perfect" but it sure makes "good", "better" and this is what I am aiming for.
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@Paraskevoulla:
(I haven't figured out how to work the "quote" function on this forum).....
Why havent I directly answered your question?
1. I wrote a reasonably lengthy and what I hoped to be a helpful reply, im so sorry (not) if it didnt specifically address the point you are for some reason trying to make.
2. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, and it doesnt flatter you.
3. Honestly the question to your answer is; I couldnt give a ****! I've been through the process, I made it, im successful. The rules are the rules. Like it or leave it - your choice.
4. If your attitude in real life matches your attitude on the internet give up now (although I bet it doesnt because people find it easy to hide behind keyboards) - you will not succeed ANYWHERE in ATC with a smart arse attitude.
5. As metioned, this is NOT a FEAST thread, its a Eurocontrol thread.
You can make veiled (and not so veiled) insults all night long, I literally couldnt give a rats ass - ill drink a beer to you now, good luck with your applications - ill enjoy my time at the radar again tomorrow, you know, over here in the real world.........
(I haven't figured out how to work the "quote" function on this forum).....
Why havent I directly answered your question?
1. I wrote a reasonably lengthy and what I hoped to be a helpful reply, im so sorry (not) if it didnt specifically address the point you are for some reason trying to make.
2. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, and it doesnt flatter you.
3. Honestly the question to your answer is; I couldnt give a ****! I've been through the process, I made it, im successful. The rules are the rules. Like it or leave it - your choice.
4. If your attitude in real life matches your attitude on the internet give up now (although I bet it doesnt because people find it easy to hide behind keyboards) - you will not succeed ANYWHERE in ATC with a smart arse attitude.
5. As metioned, this is NOT a FEAST thread, its a Eurocontrol thread.
You can make veiled (and not so veiled) insults all night long, I literally couldnt give a rats ass - ill drink a beer to you now, good luck with your applications - ill enjoy my time at the radar again tomorrow, you know, over here in the real world.........
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You guys are drifting the topic.... I just wanted to thank bravo_victor07 for his detailed explanation of the test. It helped a lot..... Being a responsive person means take action and have a good planning. Looking into it is a good action..... Good Luck all.
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Thought I'd take a look through this thread since I've just been through the NATS process and was wondering how they compared.
With regards to FEAST I recall the test itself stating it was unsuitable for more than one attempt as it's designed with little preparation in mind, that did make me wonder about those who fail the process and reapply. There are a lot of other tests and procedures though at least with NATS so it's not the be all and end all.
Also, I'm a bit surprised at the amount of hostility going on here. What happened to those level-headed competencies people? ;]
With regards to FEAST I recall the test itself stating it was unsuitable for more than one attempt as it's designed with little preparation in mind, that did make me wonder about those who fail the process and reapply. There are a lot of other tests and procedures though at least with NATS so it's not the be all and end all.
Also, I'm a bit surprised at the amount of hostility going on here. What happened to those level-headed competencies people? ;]
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could anyone pls tell me, in DART what is the minimum distance allowed between 2 aircraft in order for conflict to be avoided? what about collision? I would really appreciate it if somebody who has taken dart could clear this up for me!
thanks
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questions about DART
Hi everybody. Can someone answer few reasonable questions about DART? I have read that the priorities are:
1)Avoid conflicts;
2)Use less commands;
3)Pass checkpoints accurately
So my questions are: First of all I want to know if all applicants will have exactly the same scenarios. I don't think that someone must have only the right abilities to guide the aircrafts, sometimes luck helps. For example if you have many passive a/cs in your way and you cannot do anything to avoid them then you will have a conflict whatever you do.
Second I want to ask If our aircraft is not going to pass accurately through the checkpoint is it better to change the heading at last moment? If we don't pass accurately then we lose points,also if we give more commands we also get lower scores.So what is better to do? I have the same question about the order of the checkpoints.Sometimes the initial heading of the a/c will pass through a checkpoint with the wrong order and this will deduct points. Is it better to give command and change the heading? Also changing the altitude to avoid conflicts is important but If in our scenario is needed to do this many times then points will be deducted?I think the goal and rules of DART are fully explained but it's not clear how you lose points and what is the best to for getting high scores.
1)Avoid conflicts;
2)Use less commands;
3)Pass checkpoints accurately
So my questions are: First of all I want to know if all applicants will have exactly the same scenarios. I don't think that someone must have only the right abilities to guide the aircrafts, sometimes luck helps. For example if you have many passive a/cs in your way and you cannot do anything to avoid them then you will have a conflict whatever you do.
Second I want to ask If our aircraft is not going to pass accurately through the checkpoint is it better to change the heading at last moment? If we don't pass accurately then we lose points,also if we give more commands we also get lower scores.So what is better to do? I have the same question about the order of the checkpoints.Sometimes the initial heading of the a/c will pass through a checkpoint with the wrong order and this will deduct points. Is it better to give command and change the heading? Also changing the altitude to avoid conflicts is important but If in our scenario is needed to do this many times then points will be deducted?I think the goal and rules of DART are fully explained but it's not clear how you lose points and what is the best to for getting high scores.
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feast I
Hi everybody sorry for my poor english.I will take feast 1 in my country.If anyone who participated to the feast I in the colsest time can s/he say what part of feast 1 include? And also is skytest useful for feast 1 ?
thank you..
thank you..
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hi, does anyone know anything about the future of recruiting new student air traffic controllers?
on the website it is said, that there will be no testing and training in the next years. does anyone know something about when it is scheduled to start the selection procedure again?
i heard that the next course is scheduled for 2015
on the website it is said, that there will be no testing and training in the next years. does anyone know something about when it is scheduled to start the selection procedure again?
i heard that the next course is scheduled for 2015
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for everyone who is interested in eurocontrol: eurocontrol is not training for at least 4 years. at the moment, it is planned to train new air traffic controllers in 2017.
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I had understood they didn't require fully trained ATCOs until 2017 (so training would begin 2014-2015)? This was the last news I had heard at the start of 2012 - is your information new Unreg?
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my information is 8 days old. look at the homepage, it is not possible to apply for the next years.
a friend who works in maastricht said, that eurocontrol has too many controllers at the moment, that is why trainees get money for quitting the training.
a friend who works in maastricht said, that eurocontrol has too many controllers at the moment, that is why trainees get money for quitting the training.
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