Trouble on the Tyne?
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Trouble on the Tyne?
I hear that all is not well at Woolsington International.
Morale plummeting, no more Brun allowance and a plethora of fully rated staff getting on their bikes and trundling off down the A1 never to return, leaving the unit barely capable of covering their 24 hour commitment.
I'm told a it has a lot to do with the management style at various levels, which is no suprise as it's indicitive of the way things are nationally.
A shame if it's true because, for many years, Newsckattle always used to be a unit to aspire to.
Morale plummeting, no more Brun allowance and a plethora of fully rated staff getting on their bikes and trundling off down the A1 never to return, leaving the unit barely capable of covering their 24 hour commitment.
I'm told a it has a lot to do with the management style at various levels, which is no suprise as it's indicitive of the way things are nationally.
A shame if it's true because, for many years, Newsckattle always used to be a unit to aspire to.
I blame Colin? Keegan.
Did I put that or has someone edited my input.
KEVIN Keegan!! (Manager of Newcastle for those who don't know)
For staying
Did I put that or has someone edited my input.
KEVIN Keegan!! (Manager of Newcastle for those who don't know)
For staying
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Trouble on Tyne
Any more news? Its just as bad here at DTV..bare minimum of staff..what is wrong with the ATC world..is it the same at other units?
its as if all airport workers are lumped together as one now? Are ATC staff still treat with respect elsewhere to take account of their training dedication and resposibility??
its as if all airport workers are lumped together as one now? Are ATC staff still treat with respect elsewhere to take account of their training dedication and resposibility??
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Following 'King Kevins' resignation from Newcastle Utd on Thursday I wouldn't be surprised to see more regional low cost airlines follow suite with Flybe International who recently announced the naming of one of their new Bombardier Q400 aircraft in honour of Keegan's service to Newcastle United- the plane is used on the regular service from Newcastle Airport to Gatwick.
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Things can't be that bad at Newcastle at the mo, I see they are currently advertising to recruit ATCOs with ADI or APS ratings although I have heard rumours that NATS could be in the running to take over the contract when it is up for renewal.
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I don't think there is such a thing as a 'contract' to go up for renewal at Newcastle. ATC staff work for the airport, not a private contractor, so the ATS would have to be put up for tender by Newcastle Airport Ltd. Until that happens, the 'unattractive' working environment would continue.
NATS could be in the running to take over the contract when it is up for renewal.
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I am aware that the ATC staff at Newcastle are employed by NIAL and given the strong regional identity in the North East I would be surprised if the ATS was ever put up for tender by Newcastle Airport Ltd. However the recent opening of the new £8 million ATC tower of which the systems were installed by NSL could be a possible indication to an eventual NATS takeover?
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No, not really but not beyond the realms of possibility.
Sadly, weak unit management at Newcastle have gradually eroded terms and conditions over the years by advertising posts which are ADI/APS or ADI only, thereby allowing them to only pay the bare minimum for ADI atco's and the going rate or above to attract experienced atcos to go there for the APS task.
This negated the need for Newcastle to spend money each year on APS courses or even train their own ATSAs up to ATCO positions, previously they were famous for being inovators in this field, it appears sadly no more.
(Other units have also done this and subsequently been taken on by NATS, an airport on a hill in the SW of England comes to mind).
With the ATS management at Newcastle being ruled by a rod of iron from above, it is no suprise that no one in their right mind would want to go there.
As someone said earlier, it's a shame, because as someone previously said, at one time, Newcastle was a place to aspire to... not anymore...
Sadly, weak unit management at Newcastle have gradually eroded terms and conditions over the years by advertising posts which are ADI/APS or ADI only, thereby allowing them to only pay the bare minimum for ADI atco's and the going rate or above to attract experienced atcos to go there for the APS task.
This negated the need for Newcastle to spend money each year on APS courses or even train their own ATSAs up to ATCO positions, previously they were famous for being inovators in this field, it appears sadly no more.
(Other units have also done this and subsequently been taken on by NATS, an airport on a hill in the SW of England comes to mind).
With the ATS management at Newcastle being ruled by a rod of iron from above, it is no suprise that no one in their right mind would want to go there.
As someone said earlier, it's a shame, because as someone previously said, at one time, Newcastle was a place to aspire to... not anymore...
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Newcastle have gradually eroded terms and conditions over the years by advertising posts which are ADI/APS or ADI only, thereby allowing them to only pay the bare minimum for ADI atco's
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I think anyone with ADI/APP and APS would have to be made a good offer otherwise there would be no incentive to move.
I do know someone who, at the time had ADI only with little chance of APS training forthcoming for a while at his unit.
He applied Up North and was offered signicantly less to start, the top of the scale being only just what he was earning at the time and no promise whatsoever of further training.
He politely declined, now has the APS rating and probably won't be going anywhere for a while.
It appears that management at NEW have decided that training their own staff is not the way to go, but the problem that they'll come up against is that an increasng number of ADI only rated atco's will stay where they are because they know that eventually the'll get the APS at their own units.
Swings and roundabouts I suppose, but the once excellent reputation of the ATC unit at NEW is being severely sullied by leaders who appear to be hell bent on following the national trend of crisis management.
I do know someone who, at the time had ADI only with little chance of APS training forthcoming for a while at his unit.
He applied Up North and was offered signicantly less to start, the top of the scale being only just what he was earning at the time and no promise whatsoever of further training.
He politely declined, now has the APS rating and probably won't be going anywhere for a while.
It appears that management at NEW have decided that training their own staff is not the way to go, but the problem that they'll come up against is that an increasng number of ADI only rated atco's will stay where they are because they know that eventually the'll get the APS at their own units.
Swings and roundabouts I suppose, but the once excellent reputation of the ATC unit at NEW is being severely sullied by leaders who appear to be hell bent on following the national trend of crisis management.
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Hmmm.......seems like all this could explain the reason behind Newcastle's recent ATCO recruitment drive then. Sounds like staff loyalty to their unit is not as strong as it should be, hence the term 'crisis management.'
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Deanscross,
check out Newcastle Airport (Newcastle International Airport) - Information on flights, parking and destinations
believe they're after 2 fully validated and 1 ADI only. closing date for aplications 1 oct.
good luck
MF
check out Newcastle Airport (Newcastle International Airport) - Information on flights, parking and destinations
believe they're after 2 fully validated and 1 ADI only. closing date for aplications 1 oct.
good luck
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Anyone who gets an interview for this, ask them about the proposed changes to terms and conditions, details of the proposed new roster, the proposed pay cut - yes, pay CUT - and the proposed reduction in annual leave.
Then ask them to put it in writing.
Then assume it's not worth the paper it was written on.
Then ask them to put it in writing.
Then assume it's not worth the paper it was written on.
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When you have the answers to the questions from "emergency div", ask why at least 3 experienced ATCOs have already resigned (possibly more)and why numerous other experienced ATCOs are attending interviews to try to escape.