Thales Atc System
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As an Aussie user (ex raw radar, synthetic dispays, Siemans Watchman , paper strips etc etc), I think its fine (once one gets used to 'feeding the beast').
The failures in Ireland are a concern, something wrong with implementation and acceptance one assumes.
The implementation 'glitch' which APP controllers LUV...when one has confirmed that the fan speed is 'max' and all the faeces that may exist locally is heading for those blades!!!
Once the bugs are killed my Irish friends, its not bad kit.
The failures in Ireland are a concern, something wrong with implementation and acceptance one assumes.
The implementation 'glitch' which APP controllers LUV...when one has confirmed that the fan speed is 'max' and all the faeces that may exist locally is heading for those blades!!!
Once the bugs are killed my Irish friends, its not bad kit.
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Our system in Oz had a few issues to start with, but we,ve been using it for over 8 years now and are quite comfortable with it. Being computer based it seems to do 99 similar actions right, has a wobble at a 100 and then keeps going. I think we've just got used to it.
Any jobs still going in Ireland?
Any jobs still going in Ireland?
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This data is from 2006 or earlier, so my memory might not
be too accurate. In Finland the MTCD did not work properly
enough, since the conflict detection is not based on strips anymore.
That was the major fault that I recall. The MTCD function should be
working perfectly since the fallback for that is the "eyeballing" only.
The other point is the user interface. 6 different windows to modify or enter data. AND 6 different user interfaces...
Seems as if there were 6 totally different design teams that did not pass
any information to each other about the logic (or lack of) in the other user interfaces.
In Finland the version that I remember was quite stable, and the fall back
systems that were designed seemed not to need to be used often. (By spring 2006).
I do not have any info about fault logs, so this is my personal experience.
be too accurate. In Finland the MTCD did not work properly
enough, since the conflict detection is not based on strips anymore.
That was the major fault that I recall. The MTCD function should be
working perfectly since the fallback for that is the "eyeballing" only.
The other point is the user interface. 6 different windows to modify or enter data. AND 6 different user interfaces...
Seems as if there were 6 totally different design teams that did not pass
any information to each other about the logic (or lack of) in the other user interfaces.
In Finland the version that I remember was quite stable, and the fall back
systems that were designed seemed not to need to be used often. (By spring 2006).
I do not have any info about fault logs, so this is my personal experience.
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The products you speak about are essentially different so opinions and reports of the Oz system versus the Irish system do stand a balanced comparison
The EUROCAT-E product was intended for use within Europe, (e.g. Ireland, Croatia, etc) in areas with high traffic density and significant radar coverage. It was designed to a Eurocontrol specification by engineers. It’s complicated.
The EUROCAT-X product, (e.g Australia, South Africa, etc.) was intended for use in areas with or without radar coverage. The principal control functions are based upon the use of Flight Plan data associated to radar and/or ADS/CPDLC data. It was designed with ATC operational input. It’s intuitive and flexible.
The EUROCAT-E product was intended for use within Europe, (e.g. Ireland, Croatia, etc) in areas with high traffic density and significant radar coverage. It was designed to a Eurocontrol specification by engineers. It’s complicated.
The EUROCAT-X product, (e.g Australia, South Africa, etc.) was intended for use in areas with or without radar coverage. The principal control functions are based upon the use of Flight Plan data associated to radar and/or ADS/CPDLC data. It was designed with ATC operational input. It’s intuitive and flexible.
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Belgium will open it's brand new Eurocat-E system next april (if all goes well), and we've been working on the dataset for a few months now. Controller training has started and so far most people seem to be happy with the system.
We've found some bugs in the system though, which will hopefully be resolved by the time it goes live. It's also VERY complex, compared to our current Thomson system, but I suppose it's just a matter of time and training...
We've found some bugs in the system though, which will hopefully be resolved by the time it goes live. It's also VERY complex, compared to our current Thomson system, but I suppose it's just a matter of time and training...
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we are not crazy to take multimilion ATM software from Thales. We use combination of FDPS and RDPS from two different companies and it works without major flaws for years. The stability of FDPS is outstanding - not a single stop since FSO....
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we are not crazy to take multimilion ATM software from Thales
Most of the traffic just passing by with some of them having no enough time to contact you.
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can you please elaborate what difference does it make if my FIR is smaller than your TMA? have you seen our system? do you know its capabilities? I've seen Eurocat in operation and I can tell you our system has more or less all Eurocat has. (minus the mindboggling menus and endless acronyms....)
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yeah I think Raytheon systems are much more stable.Evaluated both Thales & raytheon systems as both the versions are working in this country. Any way both has its unique problems.
