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Whats it all about?
Hi Slo Moe, I've just had a quick count. you have 12 out of the 21 posts in this thread, and it still isn't clear what you are trying to achieve.
I've glanced at your music thread, and you have 29 of the 57 posts on that.
So i guess my point/question is ( other than trying to establish if you are just talking to yourself!) ..... are you on facebook or myspace?
I've glanced at your music thread, and you have 29 of the 57 posts on that.
So i guess my point/question is ( other than trying to establish if you are just talking to yourself!) ..... are you on facebook or myspace?
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Thank you for being so thorough.
This is a quote from the first posting on this thread:
This thread is meant to enhance our awareness in aviation safety
from the point of view of the ATC. The point of view consists also
of the good co-operation between ATCOs, Pilots, and all that work together
for better safety in aviation.
If there are more people with more contributions
the merrier.
This is a quote from the first posting on this thread:
This thread is meant to enhance our awareness in aviation safety
from the point of view of the ATC. The point of view consists also
of the good co-operation between ATCOs, Pilots, and all that work together
for better safety in aviation.
If there are more people with more contributions
the merrier.
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????????
If there are more people with more contributions
the merrier.
the merrier.
This maybe is why you could put this stuff on your bebo page or something like that. It seems more like a personal blog!
To quote my old friend,now residing in sunnier climes, it sums it up for me
Having said that, i do enjoy reading your stuff as you have a remarkable ability to carry on regardless of any one elses opinion!!
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I'm sorry if this seems like I'm taking the P*zz but I had a spare 2 minutes to knock the slide below up.
Like many of us professionals that frequent PPRUNE, we're a clever bunch & if we can help, we will.
I'm very much IT minded & would love my boss to ask me to design something like this, which is why I was initially interested in this thread, but confusion very quickly took hold.
I think most of us are now getting tired with this thread as it makes little to no sense without more explaination.
Looking forward to a number of straightforward answers to straightforward questions but not holding my breath for it.
Kind regards Slo Moe (whoever you are, whatever you do, wherever you work).
Brian.
ATCO in UK with a whole host of IT qualifications & extensive experience in b2b & customer communications.
Like many of us professionals that frequent PPRUNE, we're a clever bunch & if we can help, we will.
I'm very much IT minded & would love my boss to ask me to design something like this, which is why I was initially interested in this thread, but confusion very quickly took hold.
I think most of us are now getting tired with this thread as it makes little to no sense without more explaination.
Looking forward to a number of straightforward answers to straightforward questions but not holding my breath for it.
Kind regards Slo Moe (whoever you are, whatever you do, wherever you work).
Brian.
ATCO in UK with a whole host of IT qualifications & extensive experience in b2b & customer communications.
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I knew there was a reason why I was reading PPRuNe so late at night! The latest slide has certainly brightened up what has been a very dull day.
Maybe Slo Moe and Brian81 should "slide" into partnership?
Maybe Slo Moe and Brian81 should "slide" into partnership?
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Slideshows ruleth the earth...
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There are many professions. Decision making business is one.
This slide is once again self explanatory, if clarification is needed,
I am happy to do the clarification business or corrective action business 
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I am happy to do the clarification business
or corrective action business .
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Chiefs, supervisors, etc. should be selected very carefully.
Why would you think it is so?
W. Edwards Deming wrote in a book "Out of the crisis"
as follows:
A leader, instead of being a judge, will be a colleague, counseling and leading his people on a day-to-day basis, learning from them and with them. Everybody must be on a team to work for improvement of quality in the four steps of the Shewhart cycle.
AND:
Institute leadership. The aim of supervision should be to help people and machines and gadgets to do a better job. Supervision of management is in need of overhaul, as well as supervision of production workers.
AND:
Remove barriers that rob the hourly worker of his right to pride of workmanship. The responsibility of supervisors must be changed from sheer numbers to quality.
AND:
The problem is at the top; management is the problem. [18] Dr. Deming emphasized that the top-level management had to change to produce significant differences, in a long-term, continuous manner.
AND:
The worker is not the problem. The problem is at the top! Management!
[21] Management’s job. It is management’s job to direct the efforts of all components toward the aim of the system. The first step is clarification: everyone in the organization must understand the aim of the system, and how to direct his efforts toward it. Everyone must understand the damage and loss to the whole organization from a team that seeks to become a selfish, independent, profit centre. [18]
Please check the "Deming's 14 points" from the first link on this post.
There is even a book about how to build a civilized workplace:
Professor Sutton explains one of his points (Warning, this might be an ad.)
Why would you think it is so?
W. Edwards Deming wrote in a book "Out of the crisis"
as follows:
A leader, instead of being a judge, will be a colleague, counseling and leading his people on a day-to-day basis, learning from them and with them. Everybody must be on a team to work for improvement of quality in the four steps of the Shewhart cycle.
AND:
Institute leadership. The aim of supervision should be to help people and machines and gadgets to do a better job. Supervision of management is in need of overhaul, as well as supervision of production workers.
AND:
Remove barriers that rob the hourly worker of his right to pride of workmanship. The responsibility of supervisors must be changed from sheer numbers to quality.
AND:
The problem is at the top; management is the problem. [18] Dr. Deming emphasized that the top-level management had to change to produce significant differences, in a long-term, continuous manner.
AND:
The worker is not the problem. The problem is at the top! Management!
[21] Management’s job. It is management’s job to direct the efforts of all components toward the aim of the system. The first step is clarification: everyone in the organization must understand the aim of the system, and how to direct his efforts toward it. Everyone must understand the damage and loss to the whole organization from a team that seeks to become a selfish, independent, profit centre. [18]
Please check the "Deming's 14 points" from the first link on this post.
There is even a book about how to build a civilized workplace:
Professor Sutton explains one of his points (Warning, this might be an ad.)
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Oh, and I know.
Not in our workplace. (Denial)
It is the fault of the others. (Projection)
And I'll babble to the underdog, it is his/her fault anyway. (Displacement)
And anyway, we knew this all along, so why even talk about it. (Intellectualization)
And besides, it was the idea of totally other person.
(Actually it is: Uncle Deming was quite a smart uncle after all.)
So. Let's pretend as if this posting wouldn't really have taken place...
Not in our workplace. (Denial)
It is the fault of the others. (Projection)
And I'll babble to the underdog, it is his/her fault anyway. (Displacement)
And anyway, we knew this all along, so why even talk about it. (Intellectualization)
And besides, it was the idea of totally other person.
(Actually it is: Uncle Deming was quite a smart uncle after all.)
So. Let's pretend as if this posting wouldn't really have taken place...
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Slo Moe..............
Have you studied the Scottish ATC model?
If you drill into it you will see that at the end of the day we are all singing from the same hymn sheet.
This is because we have now been liberated and empowered in the workplace and can proceed upwardly to achieve and maintain corporate values and strategies. Not to mention being pro active in best practice.
We are now able to go forward together on a 360 degree turn and get all our ducks in a row.
At the end of the day paradigm shifts will be made to get the stakeholders on board and see what they can bring to the table.
If you think about it we are all in the same boat.
An example of the Scottish model can be found here
YouTube - Scottish Air Traffic Control
Discuss...............
FBW
Have you studied the Scottish ATC model?
If you drill into it you will see that at the end of the day we are all singing from the same hymn sheet.
This is because we have now been liberated and empowered in the workplace and can proceed upwardly to achieve and maintain corporate values and strategies. Not to mention being pro active in best practice.
We are now able to go forward together on a 360 degree turn and get all our ducks in a row.
At the end of the day paradigm shifts will be made to get the stakeholders on board and see what they can bring to the table.
If you think about it we are all in the same boat.
An example of the Scottish model can be found here
YouTube - Scottish Air Traffic Control
Discuss...............
FBW
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OK friends.
Why do I think the matter brought up in the posting starting
"Chifs, supervisors..." is important? Although it might not be
thought of being too easy.
I woke up to the subject at hand after reading a book written
in Finland by a respected gentleman.
The gentleman I refer to has written a book called GOSBI.
It is a shortened version of the phrase the "GOod Spirit of BusIness."
Book review in Finnish language about the book called GOSBI.
(Sorry, might be perceived as an ad. I do not sell this book. I do
not work for that company. I just think this matter is important.
And I am personally sure that this will help the ATC worldwide.
And sorry, I do not know if it has been translated to other languages.)
The gentleman has understood that the team really should be balanced.
Even the persons in the team should rather have a balanced mindset.
The book is about how to build a good spirit to a working place.
I think he knows something, he has a doctoral degree in medicine and
surgery.
I am saying that I have seen many units and I have seen many teams
even in many other professions than the ATC. Some of them have a good
spirit. Some not. It is a matter of doing good deeds to
achieve the good spirit. Not more. Not less. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.
Why do I think the matter brought up in the posting starting
"Chifs, supervisors..." is important? Although it might not be
thought of being too easy.
I woke up to the subject at hand after reading a book written
in Finland by a respected gentleman.
The gentleman I refer to has written a book called GOSBI.
It is a shortened version of the phrase the "GOod Spirit of BusIness."
Book review in Finnish language about the book called GOSBI.
(Sorry, might be perceived as an ad. I do not sell this book. I do
not work for that company. I just think this matter is important.
And I am personally sure that this will help the ATC worldwide.
And sorry, I do not know if it has been translated to other languages.)
The gentleman has understood that the team really should be balanced.
Even the persons in the team should rather have a balanced mindset.
The book is about how to build a good spirit to a working place.
I think he knows something, he has a doctoral degree in medicine and
surgery.
I am saying that I have seen many units and I have seen many teams
even in many other professions than the ATC. Some of them have a good
spirit. Some not. It is a matter of doing good deeds to
achieve the good spirit. Not more. Not less. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.
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FBW. Thanks for the info. Good for you!
The vid is hilarious. LoL.
What is better than work? Teamwork.
What is better than humour (humor)? Teamhumour (Teamhumor).
It takes quite a lot for the ATCO to run out of tricks...
(E.g. Separation tricks...).
The vid is hilarious. LoL.
What is better than work? Teamwork.
What is better than humour (humor)? Teamhumour (Teamhumor).
It takes quite a lot for the ATCO to run out of tricks...
(E.g. Separation tricks...).
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