What are your pet hate non-standard phraseologies?
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Any US traffic - Any ride reports, or Checking in FL320 slight chop. - They usually fly Boeings and are therefore lower than us 
Who cares, what can you do about it and do any of you Americans actually read a Sig Weather chart - if so, you would realise that today is not going to be a good day for smooth rides so stop whining
Now, I will stop whining.
Damn, that felt good
Who cares, what can you do about it and do any of you Americans actually read a Sig Weather chart - if so, you would realise that today is not going to be a good day for smooth rides so stop whining
Now, I will stop whining.
Damn, that felt good
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"Remain clear of controlled airspace." (= keep away from my patch until I've sorted my £hit out here, boy!)
I generally aim to do exactly that, unless ATC say I'm allowed in. That's why I'm calling.
"Terrain separation is your own responsibility." (= I have no real idea how high the ground is round abouts where you say you are, and to be honest, I've no time to find out).
Too right! Even if ATC says fly right into the ground, I'm not so stupid as to do it without an argument.
(Yes, I know, you have to say it but it always grates....).
I generally aim to do exactly that, unless ATC say I'm allowed in. That's why I'm calling.
"Terrain separation is your own responsibility." (= I have no real idea how high the ground is round abouts where you say you are, and to be honest, I've no time to find out).
Too right! Even if ATC says fly right into the ground, I'm not so stupid as to do it without an argument.
(Yes, I know, you have to say it but it always grates....).
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This fully ready business has no reference in CAP413 and it is utter bollocks really. Sadly it is very common with some of our colleagues that fly into larger airfields - LL springs to mind. If you are fully ready then you 'Request Start'.
One BAW called fully ready on one occasion and the controller replied 'Mmm - are you requesting push and start?' Made me smile!
One BAW called fully ready on one occasion and the controller replied 'Mmm - are you requesting push and start?' Made me smile!
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"Finals." How many approaches are we making here? Or, "Ready for departure." followed by at least a minutes worth of; full and free movement of controls, illumination of landing/taxy lights exercise of throttles /pitch levers and finally off we go.
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"Remain clear of controlled airspace." (= keep away from my patch until I've sorted my £hit out here, boy!)
I generally aim to do exactly that, unless ATC say I'm allowed in. That's why I'm calling.
I generally aim to do exactly that, unless ATC say I'm allowed in. That's why I'm calling.
It does no harm at all to hammer the point home repeatedly in the hope that it may stick.
On another matter, I welcome the third party "blocked" which I occasionally hear on my frequency. It speeds up the realisation that someone could have picked up an instruction meant for someone else. Or that I have not been heard at all.
Here's one: "tower confirm we're cleared to land"
Pilots are by all means welcome to say this at any stage, but it always freaks me out when I hear it with an aircraft on very short finals and results in a panicky look down the runway...
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I know it is standard but....
"Radar Information limited due ..........." I haven't had a unlimited RI in about a year now.
"Your under my sector safe and resposable for your own terrian seperation."
Yes I know, I am always resposable for that not with standing the fact I am VFR on a FIS.
I know its a comfort zone thing and bum covering and I am sure its a pain to say it as it is to listen to it.
And I always cringe when everyone is getting told to listen out on tower. Then someone proceeds to give a full booking in including "fully ready" when there is 4 planes in front at the runway hold. All while the tower guy has 1 departing, 2 on final for the fixed wing runway, 1 landing on the heli strip and 1 on final for it with 3 waiting to go. With us usually sitting watching the whole thing from E3 thinking how the hell does manage all that (dips hat to ABZ tower controllers)
"Radar Information limited due ..........." I haven't had a unlimited RI in about a year now.
"Your under my sector safe and resposable for your own terrian seperation."
Yes I know, I am always resposable for that not with standing the fact I am VFR on a FIS.
I know its a comfort zone thing and bum covering and I am sure its a pain to say it as it is to listen to it.
And I always cringe when everyone is getting told to listen out on tower. Then someone proceeds to give a full booking in including "fully ready" when there is 4 planes in front at the runway hold. All while the tower guy has 1 departing, 2 on final for the fixed wing runway, 1 landing on the heli strip and 1 on final for it with 3 waiting to go. With us usually sitting watching the whole thing from E3 thinking how the hell does manage all that (dips hat to ABZ tower controllers)
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Sorta not really a phraseology thing but anyway...
'London, good morning ryanair (normally lol) **** passing 2 thousand, for 4 thousand, CLN departure, squawking ident'
dont squawk ident before we tell you too guys and girls: There is a reason why we ask for an ident, and you dont give us one...
1) you're not identified if you do
2) its bloody annoying
'London, good morning ryanair (normally lol) **** passing 2 thousand, for 4 thousand, CLN departure, squawking ident'
dont squawk ident before we tell you too guys and girls: There is a reason why we ask for an ident, and you dont give us one...
1) you're not identified if you do
2) its bloody annoying
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This piece of unnecessary phraseology regularly used on departure at a certain busy field by a certain low-fares airline:
".....passing 3000 ft..."
Which translates as: "we're in a hurry, turn us early off the SID"
(Recent utterances by this airline's management about controllers, however, loosely translate as: "full SID please")
".....passing 3000 ft..."
Which translates as: "we're in a hurry, turn us early off the SID"
(Recent utterances by this airline's management about controllers, however, loosely translate as: "full SID please")
Yesterday, Brussels Approach:
XXX Airline descend to 3000 feet
XXX Airline descend to 2500 feet
all the Airplanes respondet in the correct way: descending Altitude 3000.....
but the Lady continued that way. Seems to be her standard
inbalance
XXX Airline descend to 3000 feet
XXX Airline descend to 2500 feet
all the Airplanes respondet in the correct way: descending Altitude 3000.....
but the Lady continued that way. Seems to be her standard
inbalance
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"....traffic COPIED..."
"....COPIED the traffic..."
Why not complement this rubbish with "TEN FOUR RUBBER DUCK"?
ACKNOWLEDGED or ROGER should be used where appropriate.
And how about "Hotjet 123 REQUEST?"
"...sigh....Hotjet 123 pass your message."
"Hotjet 123 request flight level 320."
Why not just ask this in the first place instead of preparing the controller to write out your shopping list?
London you are by far the worst offenders for not reading the last digit of a frequency.....120.225 is exactly that, not "one two zero decimal two two." You seem to be slick with all other transmissions so why is this such a glaring one very day? Is it because the "5" doesn't appear on your screen? Don't spoil the good work!
"....COPIED the traffic..."
Why not complement this rubbish with "TEN FOUR RUBBER DUCK"?
ACKNOWLEDGED or ROGER should be used where appropriate.
And how about "Hotjet 123 REQUEST?"
"...sigh....Hotjet 123 pass your message."
"Hotjet 123 request flight level 320."
Why not just ask this in the first place instead of preparing the controller to write out your shopping list?
London you are by far the worst offenders for not reading the last digit of a frequency.....120.225 is exactly that, not "one two zero decimal two two." You seem to be slick with all other transmissions so why is this such a glaring one very day? Is it because the "5" doesn't appear on your screen? Don't spoil the good work!
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"Control, we're running a bit behind schedule and would appreciate any track shortening you can provide us...."
Of course I'll shorten your tracking a) when it suits me to do so and b) anytime..... after your airline has the foresight to offer me discounted tickets. Until then, fly the airway!!
Of course I'll shorten your tracking a) when it suits me to do so and b) anytime..... after your airline has the foresight to offer me discounted tickets. Until then, fly the airway!!
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I am suprised that know one has brought up the....
"We have the traffic on TCAS"
Leftbass The request to confirm the landing clearance is purely a CRM thing. In our landing checklist the cleared to land/runway clear check is the last item. The second last action is at 500ft agl. So if anyone has missed or not sure, even if one person is 100% sure it has been given I have always been taught to check. I reckon my memory lasts about 4 miles, 2 miles if the wx is horrible.
"We have the traffic on TCAS"
Leftbass The request to confirm the landing clearance is purely a CRM thing. In our landing checklist the cleared to land/runway clear check is the last item. The second last action is at 500ft agl. So if anyone has missed or not sure, even if one person is 100% sure it has been given I have always been taught to check. I reckon my memory lasts about 4 miles, 2 miles if the wx is horrible.