What are your pet hate non-standard phraseologies?
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so what speed do I specify? speeds pilots are happy to fly differ for each B738 I talk to nevermind other types.
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Tonker....agreed!
"Finals" would suggest we are about to perform more than one approach at the same time.
Trivial PursuitS,
or to cringe at the worst one of all.............
DeanS Cross..........
"Finals" would suggest we are about to perform more than one approach at the same time.
Trivial PursuitS,
or to cringe at the worst one of all.............
DeanS Cross..........
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'Fully' Ready 
Number one super dooper really, really annoying hated term!
'Fully' Parked (as opposed to what?)
'Fully' Established
'With you'
'And..XXX123 request taxi'
'Dean's Cross'
If one is unsure of our cleared level what is best? 'Radar....for crew co-ordination please confirm cleared level for ABC123' that seems to be trendy nowadays seems a bit long-winded?
Number one super dooper really, really annoying hated term!'Fully' Parked (as opposed to what?)
'Fully' Established
'With you'
'And..XXX123 request taxi'
'Dean's Cross'
If one is unsure of our cleared level what is best? 'Radar....for crew co-ordination please confirm cleared level for ABC123' that seems to be trendy nowadays seems a bit long-winded?
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"On request of the next sector, fly heading..."
do we really care which ATCO is asking for the heading? surely its a seemless service?
do we really care which ATCO is asking for the heading? surely its a seemless service?
i do use "at the request of the next sector" when i've cleared you to your cruising level and the next sector can't take you at that level at short notice. Its to say i would get you to your requested level if i could but the next sector won't let me.
I REALLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE
Kiltie, FL370,
Agree re Deancross however if you use Aerads you'll find that they are guilty of adding an S too on one of the GLA plates (possibly climb gradient page).
On a slightly different note, do you think shop attendants have a forum where they complain about their customers' verbose and superfluous statements?
And finally, re. the use of 'go ahead': At many of the airports we operate from ATC pass the IFR clearance while we are taxiing eg. "Rhubarb124 hold A1, your clearance when ready." What would you suggest is the appropriate RT response?
sr
Agree re Deancross however if you use Aerads you'll find that they are guilty of adding an S too on one of the GLA plates (possibly climb gradient page).
On a slightly different note, do you think shop attendants have a forum where they complain about their customers' verbose and superfluous statements?
And finally, re. the use of 'go ahead': At many of the airports we operate from ATC pass the IFR clearance while we are taxiing eg. "Rhubarb124 hold A1, your clearance when ready." What would you suggest is the appropriate RT response?
sr
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And finally, re. the use of 'go ahead': At many of the airports we operate from ATC pass the IFR clearance while we are taxiing eg. "Rhubarb124 hold A1, your clearance when ready." What would you suggest is the appropriate RT response?
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Fireflybob - correct. Prefixed of course with the "Hold A1" bit. Or "Hold A1, standby..." if you're too busy.
Or of course, why not throw CAP413 out of the window and say "READY TO COPY" which sounds much cooler.
Apparently.
I've just done 2 sectors and heard half a dozen aircraft start a conversation with "Rhubarb 123 STANDING BY for descent."
Why do they not REQUEST descent? Is this some form of misguided hint-dropping to controllers that they should know everybody's optimum top of descent point and to waken up?
Or of course, why not throw CAP413 out of the window and say "READY TO COPY" which sounds much cooler.
Apparently.
I've just done 2 sectors and heard half a dozen aircraft start a conversation with "Rhubarb 123 STANDING BY for descent."
Why do they not REQUEST descent? Is this some form of misguided hint-dropping to controllers that they should know everybody's optimum top of descent point and to waken up?
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In the UK: "turn right HEADING 020 DEGREES"
PLease lose the "degrees "part if you are issueing a heading and not a turn.
Correct is: ABC123, Turn right heading 020.
much safer as it avoids thinking you need to turn 20 DEGREES!
PLease lose the "degrees "part if you are issueing a heading and not a turn.
Correct is: ABC123, Turn right heading 020.
much safer as it avoids thinking you need to turn 20 DEGREES!
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In the UK: "turn right HEADING 020 DEGREES"
PLease lose the "degrees "part if you are issueing a heading and not a turn.
Correct is: ABC123, Turn right heading 020.
much safer as it avoids thinking you need to turn 20 DEGREES!
PLease lose the "degrees "part if you are issueing a heading and not a turn.
Correct is: ABC123, Turn right heading 020.
much safer as it avoids thinking you need to turn 20 DEGREES!
Why do they not REQUEST descent? Is this some form of misguided hint-dropping to controllers that they should know everybody's optimum top of descent point and to waken up?
Why NOT just say "REQUEST FLXXX" ? or "REQUEST Descent?"
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Correct is not.
When you are flying in UK airspace it is correct protocol to use the word "degrees" at the end of a heading that ends with a zero for the reasons given above.
1985 - it's not just a NATS thing but a rule developed by the authority for pilots and controllers overall. However, it's well known that NATS promote the use of "degrees" with every heading, which is not strictly standard but enhances safety nonetheless.
Correct is not.
When you are flying in UK airspace it is correct protocol to use the word "degrees" at the end of a heading that ends with a zero for the reasons given above.
1985 - it's not just a NATS thing but a rule developed by the authority for pilots and controllers overall. However, it's well known that NATS promote the use of "degrees" with every heading, which is not strictly standard but enhances safety nonetheless.
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Totally agree with your "at the request of the next sector". Garbage like that has joined the hundred and one other useless bits of crap that we hear every day. Life's too short to worry about whether the pilot might think my personal judgement might have been wrong....I credit pilots with more intelligence....they KNOW how busy it is up there!
I'm not going to break into tears if the next sector can't take my traffic.
I'm not going to break into tears if the next sector can't take my traffic.
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hmmmm...my best one so far....I enquired why a pilot had taken descent without my permission....his answer...."I couldn't get a word in to request it so I took it anyway".....cheers mate!!!!
...about that aircraft in your 1 o'clock 3 miles....
...about that aircraft in your 1 o'clock 3 miles....
"Rhubarb124 hold A1, your clearance when ready."
or alternately,
Roger Wilco xxx Clearance Delivery --Rhubarb124 ---we are standing by full ready---we are to hold short at alpa 1---standing by ready to copy at your discretion over
PA
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It's not a "pet hate" per se, but since I've had my (female) trainee with a french/german accent [which I'll admit sounds better than my australian one] I've certainly heard a lot more non-standard phraseologies while sitting behind her.
Things like "please" and "thank you" and "if it's not too much trouble"
Things like "please" and "thank you" and "if it's not too much trouble"
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Excuse me for being in the wrong (I suspect) but had a situation when I called London with 'maintaining flight level 180, heading 155 to avoid weather'...London insisted on it being 'heading 155 degrees' - is this new?? or have I been getting it wrong for yonks??
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727 exec your initial transmission was correct. It is specific only to NATS controllers to add "degrees" to headings ending in a five, you are under no obligation to do so nor breaking any rules.