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Airservices Australia Psychometric Testing

Old 7th Jun 2018, 02:26
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Testing

Hi all,

Long time reader here, first time poster.

I have recently reapplied for the position with Airservices. Does anyone know what changes have happened with the testing since 2016?

It seems aptitude and personality testing are done simultaneously? I recall reading above that you can still be invited to an assessment centre even if you don't pass the aptitude test?

Any advice would be appreciated.
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 10:35
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Does anyone know how many times you can re-sit the online tests?

I know there's a 12 month wait between re-attempts, and believe I read quite some time ago that you only had two chances, but I can't seem to find this info despite reading over the Airservice's website and FAQ.
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 13:11
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...and further to my last question:

I was reading that ATC's in the UK operate with 90 mins work followed by a 30 minute break.

Is this how it works in Aus? For both En Route and Tower? Also, how long are shifts generally?
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 13:58
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It's still only two chances - hidden away on this page: "You can only apply for this position twice, so if your first application is unsuccessful, you can only apply one more time. Once your application is submitted it will be counted as one attempt."

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Shifts are typically 8 hours with some longer, some shorter. Console time depends on how busy it - when quiet it might be 60 on 30 off, when really busy it might be 150 on 30 off, but 90 on 30 off would be typical. Night shifts are a different kettle of fish and some towers are single man at least part of the time so you're it until your relief arrives.
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 14:44
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Originally Posted by le Pingouin View Post
I...when really busy it might be 150 on 30 off
Trouble is there are 2 conflicting paragraphs in the EA - total of 30 minutes break in 8 hour shift and not being able to work longer than 120 minutes without a break. Bit silly really, yet the Union doesn't do anything about it.
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 17:18
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The clause is "ATCs should not work more than 2 hours without a break but must not exceed 3 hours without a break, except in extraordinary circumstances....". It doesn't specify how long a break should be - 3 x 10 minute breaks between 2 hour stints obeys both rules.
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Old 8th Jun 2018, 08:40
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Thanks for the info!

As an outside observer, it's hard to judge whether the union should crack down on this with their next EBA negotiations, or whether they simply need to be a little lenient with extended work times due to staffing issues during busy periods.

I remember reading a few years ago that there was a massive shortage in ATC's as the last generation were all retiring around the same time. Is their still a "massive shortage" or have Airservices caught up to the required numbers?
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Old 8th Jun 2018, 10:12
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Originally Posted by Chopz View Post
I have recently reapplied for the position with Airservices. Does anyone know what changes have happened with the testing since 2016?

It seems aptitude and personality testing are done simultaneously? I recall reading above that you can still be invited to an assessment centre even if you don't pass the aptitude test?
I am not sure if there are any "changes" as such to the testing. But the type of questions for each domain MIGHT change. For instance, one could study spatial tests with 3d cubes (because they used these in the test on the applicant's first attempt) only to end up with a different spatial test using rotated shapes, if that makes sense.

If you're not aware already, the tests involve verbal reasoning, numerical reasoning, numerical calculations, spatial reasoning and checking tests. On successful completion of this, you will be invited to complete the OPQ (occupational personality questionnaire). To my understanding, you will only go to the assessment centre if you pass both the Online Ability Assessment and OPQ.

Feel free to PM me and I'll link you some of the sites I am doing practice tests with.

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Old 8th Jun 2018, 16:09
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The hours worked without a break isn't really an issue, at least in Melbourne Centre - working in excess of two hours is unusual. The numbers have improved but there are still plenty of us in our 50s, so heading out the door sooner rather than later.
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Old 9th Jun 2018, 01:05
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Originally Posted by hansfalkenhagen View Post
I am not sure if there are any "changes" as such to the testing. But the type of questions for each domain MIGHT change. For instance, one could study spatial tests with 3d cubes (because they used these in the test on the applicant's first attempt) only to end up with a different spatial test using rotated shapes, if that makes sense.

If you're not aware already, the tests involve verbal reasoning, numerical reasoning, numerical calculations, spatial reasoning and checking tests. On successful completion of this, you will be invited to complete the OPQ (occupational personality questionnaire). To my understanding, you will only go to the assessment centre if you pass both the Online Ability Assessment and OPQ.

Feel free to PM me and I'll link you some of the sites I am doing practice tests with.
Hi mate,

Thanks for the advice, tried to PM you but it won't let me unfortunately.

You canít use the Private Messaging system, add url links or images until you have an established posting history.
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Old 9th Jun 2018, 07:12
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Originally Posted by Chopz View Post
Hi mate,

Thanks for the advice, tried to PM you but it won't let me unfortunately.

You canít use the Private Messaging system, add url links or images until you have an established posting history.
I couldn't message you either, so just emailed. Hope you don't mind.

For those in the know...

I was reading some articles that suggested only 30 applicants make it through the application process and offered a job per year. Surely these figures can't be right? 30 applicants would be split between Tower, Enroute (AND between Melbourne and Brisbane), etc. Does anyone know roughly how many ATC's are taken on per year for all roles Australia wide?
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 11:40
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Hi Guys

I'm on the July en route course and moving over to Melbourne from interstate soon. Would be great to hear from anyone on my course. If anyone is looking for accomodation please let me know. I keep hearing it is a good idea to be with people on course.
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Old 12th Jun 2018, 03:41
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Originally Posted by hansfalkenhagen View Post
I couldn't message you either, so just emailed. Hope you don't mind.

For those in the know...

I was reading some articles that suggested only 30 applicants make it through the application process and offered a job per year. Surely these figures can't be right? 30 applicants would be split between Tower, Enroute (AND between Melbourne and Brisbane), etc. Does anyone know roughly how many ATC's are taken on per year for all roles Australia wide?
The actual number of applicants accepted for training (in whatever stream) in a given time period can vary. The main factors impacting on this are the outcome of calculations done by the workforce planning people, that is designed to assure that the numbers of qualified people will be appropriate at any given time, and the extant training capacity.
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Old 12th Jun 2018, 03:49
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Originally Posted by hansfalkenhagen View Post
Thanks for the info!

As an outside observer, it's hard to judge whether the union should crack down on this with their next EBA negotiations, or whether they simply need to be a little lenient with extended work times due to staffing issues during busy periods.

I remember reading a few years ago that there was a massive shortage in ATC's as the last generation were all retiring around the same time. Is their still a "massive shortage" or have Airservices caught up to the required numbers?
Mate, if you want to join up I suggest that you focus first on your application process, then your training. If you start being concerned about industrial issues before you are even hired then your priorities are wrong.

For what it's worth all shift workers in Airservices are subject to a fatigue risk management system (FRMS) that is part of the organisation's safety management system (SMS). The figures quoted by le Pengouin are part of the industrial agreement, which is applied in conjunction with the FRMS.
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Old 12th Jun 2018, 04:53
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Duly noted. And thanks for the info
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Old 3rd Jul 2018, 22:41
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June application

Hi! Anyone else applied in June and was invited for the online assessment?
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 08:15
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So finally sat and completed the online testing tonight. Anyone have any idea how long it took for Airservices to let them know whether they'd passed or failed?

I kept in contact with one person who's been very helpful. She quoted it took 5 weeks for Airservices to update her on the outcome...
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Old 5th Jul 2018, 08:06
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Hoping to get some info from any ATCs whom are in the know...

What are the major differences in employee personalities between Tower and En Route, or are they more or less the same type of people?

Is Tower more suitable for more outgoing people, with great interpersonal skills and team work abilities.... and En Route better suited to people who can work more autonomously?

My assumptions may be way off though, so any insight would be greatly appreciated!
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Old 5th Jul 2018, 11:29
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Originally Posted by hansfalkenhagen View Post
So finally sat and completed the online testing tonight. Anyone have any idea how long it took for Airservices to let them know whether they'd passed or failed?

I kept in contact with one person who's been very helpful. She quoted it took 5 weeks for Airservices to update her on the outcome...
Hi im a newbie ..just wondering what's the difference between tower and enroute jobs. I have applied for the june one. After the online test..what does your portal show...online test completed only? Or are there any other messages. Thanks
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Old 5th Jul 2018, 22:54
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Testing

Hi all,

What we're people's thoughts on the testing? Anyone not yet completed it?
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