Paying for a posting....
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Paying for a posting....
I have heard that someone has paid to go through the college after failing the interview process, and nats has now posted them to a london airport. Any truth in this?
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Not sure, but I know there have been cases where 'self-funders' and some trainees sponsored by non-NATS units have been approached by NATS with a job offer on completion of the course.
One might argue that, providing he or she passes the course, so what?
One might argue that, providing he or she passes the course, so what?
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the point being, if they failed the interview process (not sure how many times), but have now passed the courses, surely something is wrong with the interview process? Maybe?
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Any truth in this?
As for the interview process, surely they could have saved a lot of time by just asking, "are you related to an instructor?"...
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Originally Posted by mr.jumbo
. . . but have now passed the courses, surely something is wrong with the interview process? Maybe? . . .
out of interest, how much does it cost to go through the NATS course?
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the point being, if they failed the interview process (not sure how many times), but have now passed the courses, surely something is wrong with the interview process? Maybe?
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I did hear a story from an CAA examiner (several years retired I may add), who was faced with a certain gentleman who was desperate to pass a certain rating.
At the end of the oral board, the candidate put a fat envelope on the table saying, I am hoping this is encouraging you to ensure I am passed, naturally the examiner said, "that's not the way we work here" and passed the envelope back.
The candidate failed the exam and on his subsequent attempt was faced with the same examiner in the oral board, at the end of which the candidate produced a very similar envelope and said "This is a gift to your wife for shopping purposes, may the god's look kindly upon me and you", after which, the candidate tried to exit the room via the broom cupboard...
At the end of the oral board, the candidate put a fat envelope on the table saying, I am hoping this is encouraging you to ensure I am passed, naturally the examiner said, "that's not the way we work here" and passed the envelope back.
The candidate failed the exam and on his subsequent attempt was faced with the same examiner in the oral board, at the end of which the candidate produced a very similar envelope and said "This is a gift to your wife for shopping purposes, may the god's look kindly upon me and you", after which, the candidate tried to exit the room via the broom cupboard...
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If you can design a selection process that assures 100% accuracy, you should run along to the patent office now and get it patented... you would become a multi-millionaire ovenight.
There is not a selection process in the world, for any job in the world, that can guarantee 100% accuracy.
All that the selection process does is give an indication to the likelihood of someone being successful in future training/employment.
Even at the college - an extended selection process if you like - some people get chopped even though they could possibly have validated at a unit, others pass the college even though they will not validate at a later date. There are so many variables involved that it makes the process unpredictable. However the process does have some modicum of accuracy, which is why it is employed.
If someone has the drive, belief and commitment to then pay for training, good luck to them - they are the type of person we are looking for. Paying for a course does not imply paying for an easy pass - the courses are all regulated.
NATS is like any other employer out there - it does not want to waste time and money on people who will not make the grade. If I was in charge of NATS recruitment and was given the choice of employing:
John A - a recruit who has passed the selection process, but who still has to commence (and pass) college (which I the employer will be paying for by the way, along with giving him a wage)
or
John B - a recruit who had previously failed the selection process, yet had the drive and belief to self fund himself succesfully through the course
I would choose John B everytime... I don't hold NATS management in such a high esteem, but I am sure that even they would not cock up a no brainer choice like that!
The selection process is not perfect - but there is not one in the world that is. The problem with selection processes is that they involove human beings, and we're complicated beasties.
If you can design a selection process that assures 100% accuracy, you should run along to the patent office now and get it patented... you would become a multi-millionaire ovenight.
There is not a selection process in the world, for any job in the world, that can guarantee 100% accuracy.
All that the selection process does is give an indication to the likelihood of someone being successful in future training/employment.
Even at the college - an extended selection process if you like - some people get chopped even though they could possibly have validated at a unit, others pass the college even though they will not validate at a later date. There are so many variables involved that it makes the process unpredictable. However the process does have some modicum of accuracy, which is why it is employed.
If someone has the drive, belief and commitment to then pay for training, good luck to them - they are the type of person we are looking for. Paying for a course does not imply paying for an easy pass - the courses are all regulated.
NATS is like any other employer out there - it does not want to waste time and money on people who will not make the grade. If I was in charge of NATS recruitment and was given the choice of employing:
John A - a recruit who has passed the selection process, but who still has to commence (and pass) college (which I the employer will be paying for by the way, along with giving him a wage)
or
John B - a recruit who had previously failed the selection process, yet had the drive and belief to self fund himself succesfully through the course
I would choose John B everytime... I don't hold NATS management in such a high esteem, but I am sure that even they would not cock up a no brainer choice like that!
The selection process is not perfect - but there is not one in the world that is. The problem with selection processes is that they involove human beings, and we're complicated beasties.
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