Bahrain Meeting 5th October
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Bahrain Meeting 5th October
I have been watching the ME threads over the past few months with some interest, especially re the Bahrain contract renewal.
Anyway, the 5th October is almost upon us and I hope that DWS or others on the ground there will be able to give us a balls and all recount of what has transpired. I still have doubt that the decision will be made already, but we will see. I do know from contacts that AsA is ultra keen to win this contract and for the Gulf ATC in general would be an improvment to see a change of provider somewhere as it will either sharpen Serco's game or see them wither and die on the vine.
you bahrian guys, we await your posts in as much detail as possible re the above as soon as it happens.
People, do you think we can keep to the topic on this thread please and leave the namecalling, mudthrowing and childish tantis outside the computer room.
Thanks in advance.
Anyway, the 5th October is almost upon us and I hope that DWS or others on the ground there will be able to give us a balls and all recount of what has transpired. I still have doubt that the decision will be made already, but we will see. I do know from contacts that AsA is ultra keen to win this contract and for the Gulf ATC in general would be an improvment to see a change of provider somewhere as it will either sharpen Serco's game or see them wither and die on the vine.
you bahrian guys, we await your posts in as much detail as possible re the above as soon as it happens.
People, do you think we can keep to the topic on this thread please and leave the namecalling, mudthrowing and childish tantis outside the computer room.
Thanks in advance.
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Watching with interest
I do know from contacts that AsA is ultra keen to win this contract and for the Gulf ATC in general would be an improvment to see a change of provider somewhere as it will either sharpen Serco's game or see them wither and die on the vine
The old cliche' "Better the devil you know..." comes to mind and frankly given ASA's track history I have serious doubts that if they win this contract you will see any improvement at all.At least with Serco, what you see is what you get...
For ASA to win this I imagine their bid will have to be very sharp indeed and I fail to see how that is likely to benefit the interests of the local industry in general let alone the people working there.
Anyone care to explain to me how they will staff the place given ASA is struggling to keep it's own house in order?
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Bids Opened
The SERCO/ASA bids were opened on the 04/10/2007
In the words of our Manager “ASA bid came in significantly higher than SERCO bid
, bids are at the tender board for processing”
L_LLz
In the words of our Manager “ASA bid came in significantly higher than SERCO bid
, bids are at the tender board for processing”L_LLz
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so much for the meeting of the 5th
Well so much for the 5th and serco letting you guys know where you stand.
LazyLLZ, did your manager indicate when the decision will be made known to all and sundry?
Fox have you got problem sticking to the topic or are you intoxicated again
LazyLLZ, did your manager indicate when the decision will be made known to all and sundry?
Fox have you got problem sticking to the topic or are you intoxicated again
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Slowly Slowly
ASA, DFS, NATS, Serco
While change is a good thing in a lot of ways, especially in FIR's that need "attention", sometimes the best way forward is a slow approach from within.
Serco has been in Bah for donkeys years, they have the reputation, trust and inside knowlege of the locals, and therefore are in the best position to make change, albiet slowly.
As Andre Dose discovered with Gulf Air, you can bring as much positive thought, structure and organisation with you to the ME, but the ME is NOT A NORMAL PLACE OF BUSINESS. If you challenge the local "management" with outside ideas you will instantly be met with a brick wall.
DFS will end up butting heads with every local yokel in the place, ASA dosn't have the experience in the ME or the staff, and NATS have thier own problems at home to sort out.
My money is on the long serving and loyal Serco, as Tin Pusher says "better the devil you know".
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While change is a good thing in a lot of ways, especially in FIR's that need "attention", sometimes the best way forward is a slow approach from within.
Serco has been in Bah for donkeys years, they have the reputation, trust and inside knowlege of the locals, and therefore are in the best position to make change, albiet slowly.
As Andre Dose discovered with Gulf Air, you can bring as much positive thought, structure and organisation with you to the ME, but the ME is NOT A NORMAL PLACE OF BUSINESS. If you challenge the local "management" with outside ideas you will instantly be met with a brick wall.
DFS will end up butting heads with every local yokel in the place, ASA dosn't have the experience in the ME or the staff, and NATS have thier own problems at home to sort out.
My money is on the long serving and loyal Serco, as Tin Pusher says "better the devil you know".
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Sucker Bids!!!Serco will get it, they always do!
Its academic, there is some fellah in the Bahraini administration that stands to make some money from an orchestrated shonky contract playoff..........
Serco will always win, they are cheap, available and provide magnificent glossy brochures on their bus companies in South Australia and their sewage works in Kent!
Cue the circus music.......
Footnote: I also picked Australia and new Zealand to get through the 1/4 finals so basically I have no credibility.....
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any decision yet?
Bess or others in BAH,
i guess the question that everyone wants to know is has the decision been made? Obviously not
do you guys have any idea of when it may actually be made? I see the new moon is due this sunday 14 October, which should signal the end of ramadan (if I am correct) and then surely they can get down to bloody business again.
The fact that the Bahrainis have apparently put out the contract to tender for the first time since Adam was a boy, I hope is a sign they realise something has to be done, and the only way to do this is to bring in a new player via this method, who may possibly have the tenacity, ability to rectify the problem, which it appears Serco doesn't (as it seems with other stations they manage).
serco have only ever been a company that manages their ME ops by reaction or band aid tactics. They know the problems are there, they know they are going to cost money, but then some issue crops up and they use another band aid, hoping it will all go away, while at the same time checking the bottom line has not been adversley affected.
lets only hope that the Bahrain DCA get in some new blood and get the ****e fight there on the road to repair. The controllers there are obviously bloody good at what they do, so I hope the new encumbant will actually be on the floor with the lads and find out what their thoughts are and get their views on how best to fix it, because in reality the coalface usually know what is best.
I am with you Bess
Looking forward to the decision. BTW when is the Serco contract up again?
i guess the question that everyone wants to know is has the decision been made? Obviously not
do you guys have any idea of when it may actually be made? I see the new moon is due this sunday 14 October, which should signal the end of ramadan (if I am correct) and then surely they can get down to bloody business again.
The fact that the Bahrainis have apparently put out the contract to tender for the first time since Adam was a boy, I hope is a sign they realise something has to be done, and the only way to do this is to bring in a new player via this method, who may possibly have the tenacity, ability to rectify the problem, which it appears Serco doesn't (as it seems with other stations they manage).
serco have only ever been a company that manages their ME ops by reaction or band aid tactics. They know the problems are there, they know they are going to cost money, but then some issue crops up and they use another band aid, hoping it will all go away, while at the same time checking the bottom line has not been adversley affected.
lets only hope that the Bahrain DCA get in some new blood and get the ****e fight there on the road to repair. The controllers there are obviously bloody good at what they do, so I hope the new encumbant will actually be on the floor with the lads and find out what their thoughts are and get their views on how best to fix it, because in reality the coalface usually know what is best.
I am with you Bess
Looking forward to the decision. BTW when is the Serco contract up again?
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No matter who is asking, ASA hasn't got a snowflakes chance in hell of getting the contract. The Bahrain contract would be one of the better managed contracts in the Gulf ( I am talking contract management here not operational management as that is another discussion completely), and they seem to retain staff a lot better than we do here in the UAE (something to do with Villas being provided and less penny pinching than goes on here, from what I hear).
Serco will remain in Bahrain until further notice and the only reason the Bahrainis opened the process up for other bidders is to keep Serco honest with their bid.
PMS I guess you'll have to look elsewhere for an opportunity to get back into the Gulf.
Serco will remain in Bahrain until further notice and the only reason the Bahrainis opened the process up for other bidders is to keep Serco honest with their bid.
PMS I guess you'll have to look elsewhere for an opportunity to get back into the Gulf.
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Still no word?
I guess with Eid happening nothing will be heard till everyone is back from holiday.
Concerning ASA's bid, reading the latest threads concerning ASA ie: Hello ML Centre and ASA recruitment I am amazed that any bid from them could be taken seriously given they haven't the staff to run their own business let alone the Bahrain contract...
But what about the others? NAT's and DFS also provided bids.... any idea on how they panned out?
Concerning ASA's bid, reading the latest threads concerning ASA ie: Hello ML Centre and ASA recruitment I am amazed that any bid from them could be taken seriously given they haven't the staff to run their own business let alone the Bahrain contract...
But what about the others? NAT's and DFS also provided bids.... any idea on how they panned out?
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Lazy.......you know the truth...really.
Hear Ye Hear Ye
8000 BD a month plus housing, plus health, plus car(deals with Mercedes, Porsche and Ferrari), 10,000 BD signing bonus plus open account at Trader Vics(company titanium card). All those interested approach Air Services Australia and ask to be directed to New Contracts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By the way.......let me know what they say!
Hear Ye Hear Ye
8000 BD a month plus housing, plus health, plus car(deals with Mercedes, Porsche and Ferrari), 10,000 BD signing bonus plus open account at Trader Vics(company titanium card). All those interested approach Air Services Australia and ask to be directed to New Contracts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By the way.......let me know what they say!
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Current salary package
Question for you guys in Bahrain. What is the current package for new people starting with Serco. And are there any plans for increases next year.
Cheers.
Cheers.
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Care to post some details about what you've heard about the package on offer 123777 because your rumour doesn't match up with what I understand will be the new deal
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What new deal?
Bahrain controllers got offered less one can make in the UAE - whilst working double the traffic per sector.
Some single guys scored a bit - thats about it ...
6 more Bahranies to leave soon and rumoured 4 expats
Some single guys scored a bit - thats about it ...
6 more Bahranies to leave soon and rumoured 4 expats
So, do you or don't you have some facts to share or are you really a frustrated Air Services Manager doing a bit of fishing in the hope you still might win the contract?
DD, that's about the figures I heard except 4200BD/month rather than 4000.
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