NATS January 2008 Pay Rise

[hold at SATAN]

15.8% for a mid scale ATCO 2 Band 5 from 01/01/05 to 01/01/08 - excluding annual spine point progression

[Homo Simpson]

Well us at Manchester are looking forward to getting our even bigger and fair pay rise when we get equal pay!

Not one constructed from a deliberately tweaked formula!

[250 kts]

Equal pay with who? TC? AC? Thames Radar? Scottish? Farnborough?

[Homo Simpson]

Band 5 units if that answers your question.

[mhk77]

Well us at Manchester are looking forward to getting our even bigger and fair pay rise when we get equal pay!
Not one constructed from a deliberately tweaked formula!

I wish you lot at Manchester would stop bleating on about how unfair everything is, and how it's not right, and how you should be paid more and more, blah blah blah. You're Band 4 FFS. Looking at the current pay scales that means a bog standard ATCO at Manchester at the top of the scale will be on £70,122.07 [B]basic[B]. Add on to the top of that £5k+ for shift allowances thats a bloody good wage. So what if LACC get £8k or so more. I bet the cost of living down there more than negates the difference.
Pay a visit to Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Farnborough etc. See how hard they work. Then remember that they are using [B]2 ratings[B]. (Not 1 like the MACC ATCOs) Then think that the guys at the Scottish airports are Band 2. Top of the scale for a bog standard ATCO? £56,060.87. At Farnborough? £55,282.77. That's a £14k-£15k pay differential from you lot at Manchester and £20k+ from LACC, TC, EGLL etc.
DEAL WITH IT!
annnnnnnnnnd relax............

[viaEGLL]

You Manchester guys kill me
The last trainee you sent us gives a good insight into the traffic levels at Manchester

[The Fat Controller]

mhk77

The "bog standard" top of the scale ATCO2 at band 4 units will be :-

£73777 salary plus £5383 ASAP = £79159

I am one of these.

Please stop hi-jacking my "pay" thread with banding issues !!!!



LOL

[throw a dyce]

The ''Pay'' issue has only made the ''Banding'' issue worse.There is a lot of grumblings at shop floor level about Band 4 ATCO's giving us Band 2's all the crap to sort out all the time.This is not just me ranting.This is what I hear everyday.
I got shot down about this but the fact is that higher Bands top of the scale got a bigger increase(£ in your pocket) than the rest of the lower pond life.For what? Productivity? Traffic growth?
It's not hijacking a thread.It's a logical that lower Band's will be resentful,especially when the gap is higher than a lot of peoples annual wage.

[viaEGLL]

Well, if you would like Band 5 pay then please transfer to a band 5 unit
1. This would help our staffing issues.
2. Would get you that most important thing in the world BAND 5 PAY
3. "Traffic levels here are the same" i hear you cry!! Come for an visit and a good listen in you maybe surprised!!
4. Deal with it
I have been at Band 4 and 5 I work a lot harder at the Band 5 unit than i did at Band 4. Yes, there were times when i worked just as hard at my little Band 4 but not day in day out.
Oh!! i can't wait for my 4.1% Thankyou

[eastern wiseguy]

Posting out isn't always an option,particularly if you are waiting for people to post in...who in turn are waiting for people to post in to let them go..etc etc etc.
The main gripe here is the system(in general) is seen to be unfair. The constant "live with it" comments come from the higher bands......solidarity brothers...yeah right


To be honest the pay rise is reasonable. The banding is devisive to some and will have to be looked at.

[The Fat Controller]

throw a dyce.

The pay rise is RPI, nothing to do with ANYTHING else.

It is 1.5 % more than the underpinned amount and considerably better than a lot of people outside of NATS will be getting.

You will be 4.1 % better off in January just the same as all the other ATCOs in NATS.

[viaEGLL]

Solidarity!!! You mean i should agree with paying everybody the same no matter how hard they work!!!
I think not ! I work hard for my Band 5 money and i know it is not that difficult to get a transfer having been through the process myself.So please stop moaning
As the FAT Controller said everybody will 4.1% better off so enjoy

[eastern wiseguy]

that difficult to get a transfer

We have waited a year to have someone released in to us. He was stymied because no one could be released into HIS unit. I disagree with your premise.

Of course you work hard. Only an idiot would disagree with that.Surprisingly enough people at lower bands ALSO work hard(and before 250 jumps in it isn't all scheduled traffic at 0400) Being told "live with it" is so much easier looking down than up. I am well paid and quite content. I am sure there are people out there who take a different tack though.

[viaEGLL]

As i said i have looked up as well !!!
So don't pick me up on that heart tugging 'deal with it' line

[eastern wiseguy]

via Egll I was agreeing with you, you ar$e

[055166k]

Homo Simpson..Get your bike out!

Plenty of vacancies down at Swanwick, and overtime available. You and your colleagues should seriously consider applying for a transfer, we need controllers just to replace the leaving/emigrating/retirement bulge, to say nothing of the unrelenting and unprecedented rise in traffic.
At this late stage in the 2007 season there is a lot of fatigue beginning to show....lots of genuine sick absence and a feeling of being slowly beaten to death with ever-increasing sector capacity values.
Whatever my Swanwick buddies and I earn...we've bl**dy well earned it.

[viaEGLL]

OOOOPPPSS!!!
Can i come to your unit then??? OH!! Marked time of course

[mhk77]

The constant "live with it" comments come from the higher bands......solidarity brothers...yeah right

I'm actually not higher band, I'm at a band2 unit. But the bottom line is, there's not going to be a significant change in the bands, just like there won't be a significant pay increase from January 2009. Every controller will argue they work busier or more complex traffic at their unit compared to another controller. It's the way of the world.

Do I think it's right that a Heathrow tower only controller earns significantly more than a Tower AND Approach radar rated controller at Manchester, Cardiff, Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Glasgow, Southampton, Birmingham etc. Likewise Tower only ATCOs at Gatwick and Stansted? Hell no it's not right! But, it's not going to change massively. At the end of the day, none of us are living on the poverty line, and we earn good money for the what we do.

Dare I say it................?live with it........!

[terrain safe]

Likewise Tower only ATCOs at Gatwick and Stansted?

If you looked at the scales you would see that SS is at the same grade as BB eg band 3. Now that is approximately £2500 more than band 1 and £1500 more than band 2. A recent postee into SS from LC had to take a pay cut to go there as they lost inner London weighting. Now Stansted is shifting upto 680-690 a day up about 30 or so a day on last year. I think the problem is the difference between the bands. Go from band 3 to a 4 and the scale max is £12000 different with 5 a further £8000 on. That is the problem not the fact that some get more than others.

[Cuddles]

Top quality bickerage people, keep it going.