FR Rollocking by LON ATC
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FR Rollocking by LON ATC
Heard a FR got an unmerciful rollocking from Lon ATC this morning about not keeping an assigned hdg etc. ATC man was livid.....
Bad morning or habitual offenders?
Bad morning or habitual offenders?
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Bollockings are more and more usual these day me thinks. Sureley he/she wasnt turning just on their own for fun. Its easy to miss the hdg instruction if PM has updated the LNAV track to sort of look like the actual path...
as for EMMA1974, please dont start a FR slagging... not all FR pilots are cowboys as seems to be the popular belief...
as for EMMA1974, please dont start a FR slagging... not all FR pilots are cowboys as seems to be the popular belief...
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A rollocking on Rt should not be the answer...but have heard more and more....perhaps this scenario left the controller changing their underpants
Aircraft on headings are not for the sake of it. E.g 2 aircraft on headings 5nm apart and 1 decides to take scenic route suddenly creates a loss of separation, and a lot of paperwork.
Aircraft on headings are not for the sake of it. E.g 2 aircraft on headings 5nm apart and 1 decides to take scenic route suddenly creates a loss of separation, and a lot of paperwork.
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A double -edged sword?
What if the controller's R/T was unclear? Was it ambiguous or misleading? Was a readback given....was it monitored?
The answer is on the recordings both of Radar and R/T. It's a brave controller who claims never to be wrong. I advise any pilot spoken to in such a way to say nothing apart from standard R/T interchanges......but to file a report with a view to running the tapes. The controller has the same options!
Experience over the years has proved that "he who says the most, digs the deepest hole".
RYR rate OK by me....and I control lots.....the pilots know their planes and what they can or can't do.....given a reasonable request of course.
What if the controller's R/T was unclear? Was it ambiguous or misleading? Was a readback given....was it monitored?
The answer is on the recordings both of Radar and R/T. It's a brave controller who claims never to be wrong. I advise any pilot spoken to in such a way to say nothing apart from standard R/T interchanges......but to file a report with a view to running the tapes. The controller has the same options!
Experience over the years has proved that "he who says the most, digs the deepest hole".
RYR rate OK by me....and I control lots.....the pilots know their planes and what they can or can't do.....given a reasonable request of course.
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Fair point...for me if I was rollocked from an error I made I would respectfully inform the controller that the issue will be sorted on terra firma.....chewed alive in a dynamic phase of flight just will compound or inflate other issues imo, not pertain to the safety of flight.
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Quite, r/t is no place for rollocking either up the way or down the way, much better to speak civily on phone afterwards.
Maybe, if it's perceived that this is going on more often these days, it's symptomatic of the fact that these days there's virtually no fam flights by atcos taking place and not that many visits apparent by pilots to my ATC unit.
Maybe, if it's perceived that this is going on more often these days, it's symptomatic of the fact that these days there's virtually no fam flights by atcos taking place and not that many visits apparent by pilots to my ATC unit.
