What's Happening at Airways NZ??
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Yup -it's my understanding that ALL rosters are going to take a pounding, to claw back the 5% they just handed out, but lets follow things thro'. Lets say all AIL is cut back say 5% - AA sector goes from 32% (?) to 27% - OH goes 24% to 19%, what you going to do? it's all equal, if you follow what I mean. To your point specifically, I think you answerd your own question, like QN do you think the OH boys and girls will be able to move - I think not, so crisis - what crisis? no one is going to move cause no one is going to want to go on the OH sector.
Serco starting to look very good.
SAS
Serco starting to look very good.
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Hi SAS
That was exactly my point in my previous post.
My reference to crisis was not just staffing levels. It also refers to things like sector morale. People who have been appointed to other sectors but are unable to be released from the current sector they are working can get a bit disgruntled after a while. Staff with an axe to grind can bring down a whole sector if they come to work unhappy all the time. I can see this being a bit more of an issue now that AIL is fully superable. eg someone appointed to another sector with a higher AIL will start getting a bit toey after a period of time if they havn't or can't be released because it means they are missing out on extra coin. So thats what I was inferring by crisis - someone or a number of staff on one sector who is miserable or unhappy because they can't take up their new post can bring everyone around them down.
Spud Mc.
Have you got any comparisons yet??
no one is going to move cause no one is going to want to go on the OH sector.
I think not, so crisis - what crisis?
Spud Mc.
Have you got any comparisons yet??
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I think you just found the link - meaning I don't know of any other site that will give you info on those sectors.
Maybe CA can help - I think he is from the frozen south.
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Maybe CA can help - I think he is from the frozen south.
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Bay, Ohakea TMA and AILs
JH61, SAS & CA
The AIL's for the Bay and Ohakea are both about 24%. It depends on which roster they are working on at the moment, but that is the ball park figure I have.
To reduce this percentage significantly there would have to be a drastic reduction in staff in the weekends. As Ohakea already operates a reduced roster in the weekends and Bay has it's "fun" mix of IFR vs VFR, I can't see this happening (unless something has changed in the traffic patterns recently).
If Ohakea were to go to a 24 hour operation, then a figure of around 29% would be accurate. Would 24 hour operation at Ohakea mean a reduction of staff on Area over night???
Both sectors have a TMA and Area mix, operating three positions (planner, terminal radar and an area radar - Raglan in Bay's case).
Ohakea (south western side of the North Island) has the provision of approach controll to the main air force base as it's focus (which results in weekdays being considerably busier than weekends), as well as one of the smaller "International" airports (Palmerston North). Although there is a military focus to the sector there is still a large number of civil aircraft that travel in and out of it.
Bay looks after a good part of the central North Island (north of Ohakea and South of Auckland). The western side of the sector is the Area sector (Raglan) which looks after the main trunk traffic (and some regional) travelling between Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch. The eastern side of the sector provides area and approach control to at least five provincial airports (one of which is a small "International" airport). There is a mix of traffic from B733, to small turboprop, to light aircraft (including gliders and meat bombs).
Both sectors provide challenges. My good friend "Rotty" is hiding at the Riveria of the South in the Frozen Wastelands and may be able to provide a better insight to both sectors and the intracies of the AIL system.
PP
The AIL's for the Bay and Ohakea are both about 24%. It depends on which roster they are working on at the moment, but that is the ball park figure I have.
To reduce this percentage significantly there would have to be a drastic reduction in staff in the weekends. As Ohakea already operates a reduced roster in the weekends and Bay has it's "fun" mix of IFR vs VFR, I can't see this happening (unless something has changed in the traffic patterns recently).
If Ohakea were to go to a 24 hour operation, then a figure of around 29% would be accurate. Would 24 hour operation at Ohakea mean a reduction of staff on Area over night???
Both sectors have a TMA and Area mix, operating three positions (planner, terminal radar and an area radar - Raglan in Bay's case).
Ohakea (south western side of the North Island) has the provision of approach controll to the main air force base as it's focus (which results in weekdays being considerably busier than weekends), as well as one of the smaller "International" airports (Palmerston North). Although there is a military focus to the sector there is still a large number of civil aircraft that travel in and out of it.
Bay looks after a good part of the central North Island (north of Ohakea and South of Auckland). The western side of the sector is the Area sector (Raglan) which looks after the main trunk traffic (and some regional) travelling between Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch. The eastern side of the sector provides area and approach control to at least five provincial airports (one of which is a small "International" airport). There is a mix of traffic from B733, to small turboprop, to light aircraft (including gliders and meat bombs).
Both sectors provide challenges. My good friend "Rotty" is hiding at the Riveria of the South in the Frozen Wastelands and may be able to provide a better insight to both sectors and the intracies of the AIL system.
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Petit Pompier---Thanks!
PP:
Thanks for the details on Ohakea and Bay sectors. I truly appreciate your time and effort.
Do you have any way of knowing what their traffic count is like, and what type of aircraft typically go through? I've never heard of a meat bomb... that doesn't sound very aerodynamic.
Also, do you have any insights into ANZ's retirement system, if they have one? I read about the "Superannuation Scheme" and understand it's probably a mutual fund of some sort. I understand that controllers contribute up to 6% of their pay and ANZ matches it up to a 12% limit. Can you point me somewhere to learn more about it?
Thanks in advance, friend!
KC
Thanks for the details on Ohakea and Bay sectors. I truly appreciate your time and effort.
Do you have any way of knowing what their traffic count is like, and what type of aircraft typically go through? I've never heard of a meat bomb... that doesn't sound very aerodynamic.
Also, do you have any insights into ANZ's retirement system, if they have one? I read about the "Superannuation Scheme" and understand it's probably a mutual fund of some sort. I understand that controllers contribute up to 6% of their pay and ANZ matches it up to a 12% limit. Can you point me somewhere to learn more about it?
Thanks in advance, friend!
KC
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Meat Bombs
JH61
Meat bomb = parachutist.
Why people jump out of perfectly servicely aircraft is beyond me - seen too many die getting it wrong to try it myself.
Sorry I can't help you with the traffic count for the sectors, but have a look on the Airways website there is a page with the movements for individual airports that are manned by Airways. Data for the unmanned airports are not recorded there.
http://www.airways.co.nz/documents/avimove_stats.pdf
Ohakea TMA is responsible for Ohakea and Palmerston North, plus Wanganui, and various small airfields which may have IFR ops.
Bay is responsible for Hamilton, Tauranga, Rotorua, Whakatane, Taupo, Kinleith, plus overflying traffic from Auckland to the southern half of the North Island and South Island.
On both sectors, the aircraft types range from the B733 down to the single engine bug smashers and gliders. There is the occasional B744 & A345 overflying Bay and the B757 that flys the military shuttle that flies into Ohakea 2 or 3 times a week.
You are right about the Superannuation Scheme. Sorry I don't have a link for any info on the Scheme. It hasn't performed very well over the last few years - in fact it lost money for a number of years. Thankfully I have my money out of there and invested elsewhere.
PP
Meat bomb = parachutist.
Why people jump out of perfectly servicely aircraft is beyond me - seen too many die getting it wrong to try it myself.
Sorry I can't help you with the traffic count for the sectors, but have a look on the Airways website there is a page with the movements for individual airports that are manned by Airways. Data for the unmanned airports are not recorded there.
http://www.airways.co.nz/documents/avimove_stats.pdf
Ohakea TMA is responsible for Ohakea and Palmerston North, plus Wanganui, and various small airfields which may have IFR ops.
Bay is responsible for Hamilton, Tauranga, Rotorua, Whakatane, Taupo, Kinleith, plus overflying traffic from Auckland to the southern half of the North Island and South Island.
On both sectors, the aircraft types range from the B733 down to the single engine bug smashers and gliders. There is the occasional B744 & A345 overflying Bay and the B757 that flys the military shuttle that flies into Ohakea 2 or 3 times a week.
You are right about the Superannuation Scheme. Sorry I don't have a link for any info on the Scheme. It hasn't performed very well over the last few years - in fact it lost money for a number of years. Thankfully I have my money out of there and invested elsewhere.
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Thanks, PP
Thanks again, mate. You've been most helpful. Meatbomb=parachutist... Love it!
I gather from your location description that you're somewhere in SE Asia. I work with a feller who worked traffic in Hong Kong a few years back. He has lots of stories.
See ya later!
KC
I gather from your location description that you're somewhere in SE Asia. I work with a feller who worked traffic in Hong Kong a few years back. He has lots of stories.
See ya later!
KC
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Things appear to be ......ummmm ......strained.
PP
Not necessarily just the weekends but during the week as well. The new Airways/Airforce contract only requires approach services between gentlemens hours meaning OH sector could be cut back to 0600-2000 7 days a week. However it is looking more likely that OH will go 24 hours, which as PP points out will put the AIL up to around 29-30%. 24 rosters are being designed and voted for at present. It would seem the cost of NZ bound aircraft having to nominate Ozzy as alternates is alot more of a cost than paying for 24 hour service and therefore having a choice of an alternate within NZ. There are murmurings of 'other' airlines flying to smaller airports from OZ as well as competition strengthens. However, it could all be talk!!
JH61
SAS is correct - I reside in Christchurch. What in particular would you like to know. There are NO links to individual sectors so info is only what you get on here. Ask away.
Talking about sector/unit morale - anyone know what's going on at OH TWR?
PP
To reduce this percentage significantly there would have to be a drastic reduction in staff in the weekends. As Ohakea already operates a reduced roster in the weekends and Bay has it's "fun" mix of IFR vs VFR, I can't see this happening (unless something has changed in the traffic patterns recently).
If Ohakea were to go to a 24 hour operation, then a figure of around 29% would be accurate. Would 24 hour operation at Ohakea mean a reduction of staff on Area over night???
If Ohakea were to go to a 24 hour operation, then a figure of around 29% would be accurate. Would 24 hour operation at Ohakea mean a reduction of staff on Area over night???
JH61
SAS is correct - I reside in Christchurch. What in particular would you like to know. There are NO links to individual sectors so info is only what you get on here. Ask away.
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Welcome back - you been away? (meaning thought you would have posted earlier)
So what's the go at OH TWR? I hear things are more than strained
Story varies as to who's right and who's wrong, but sure sounds like a mess.
When is it likely to be official that OH TMR goes H24 - do you know?
TC - did anyone from OH TWR PM you - just as a point of interest?
SAS
Welcome back - you been away? (meaning thought you would have posted earlier)
So what's the go at OH TWR? I hear things are more than strained
Story varies as to who's right and who's wrong, but sure sounds like a mess.
When is it likely to be official that OH TMR goes H24 - do you know?
TC - did anyone from OH TWR PM you - just as a point of interest?
SAS
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Welcome back - you been away? (meaning thought you would have posted earlier)
When is it likely to be official that OH TMR goes H24 - do you know?
So what's the go at OH TWR? I hear things are more than strained
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Training Review
It seems to have gone all quiet over the Xmas break.
Has the training review been released, or has it been locked up never to see the light of day?
The whisper from the land of the long white cloud is that more overseas controllers are being hired due to shortages in the local product. The supply from the College of Knowledge still not meeting demand?
Has the training review been released, or has it been locked up never to see the light of day?
The whisper from the land of the long white cloud is that more overseas controllers are being hired due to shortages in the local product. The supply from the College of Knowledge still not meeting demand?
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I guess one of the main problems is the starting package for ab initios. All of the smart kids go to Uni and come out focused on other careers, earning similar if not better money. The quality and quantity of applicants has been on the decline over the past decade.
Anyway, I was told there are quite a number to start on Area this year? How many will actually turn up? How many will stay longer than the training period if they do turn up? What percentage will stay longer than the standard 2-3 year paid holiday? And of course how much did it cost recruiting these people? The long term future needs to be addressed and that involves obtaining quality ab initios and paying salaries that will keep staff from wanting to head abroad for real money as soon as they are eligible to do so. This will occur more and more with the current global growth. Don't rule out hefty contracts in India and China let alone the normal haunts.
I bet there are a good number there waiting for more training spots to crop up in Dubai?
With the number of foreign tourists murdered annually now, almost daily homicides, general violent crime on the rise, unaffordable housing, high tax, complete dependence on imported oil, the lifestyle card is surely looking well worn and easy to pick in Airways' hand...
Anyway, I was told there are quite a number to start on Area this year? How many will actually turn up? How many will stay longer than the training period if they do turn up? What percentage will stay longer than the standard 2-3 year paid holiday? And of course how much did it cost recruiting these people? The long term future needs to be addressed and that involves obtaining quality ab initios and paying salaries that will keep staff from wanting to head abroad for real money as soon as they are eligible to do so. This will occur more and more with the current global growth. Don't rule out hefty contracts in India and China let alone the normal haunts.
I bet there are a good number there waiting for more training spots to crop up in Dubai?
With the number of foreign tourists murdered annually now, almost daily homicides, general violent crime on the rise, unaffordable housing, high tax, complete dependence on imported oil, the lifestyle card is surely looking well worn and easy to pick in Airways' hand...
