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f it was me sitting in the support office doing nothing, I would continue to do exactly that, nothing.
Sounds like you are interviewing for a Serco managerial position
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Sounds like you are interviewing for a Serco managerial position
I might be interviewing for Beelzebub's Barrister though.
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"Serco's gonna have to do something big or lose the contract, at least in DXB. Bottom line is the new airport. There is so much money going into its development that it will indeed open. The pride of the Emirates Aviation Group and local tourism depends on this. Anyone looking in from the outside will understand very quickly that this requires many, many more bodies. And the only way to attract worker bees is with serious money, er honey".
These last years, it has been mentioned that SOON SERCO will lose their Contract, & be taken over by a New Local Company formed by DCA ATC Personnel together with the remaining ATCOs here...
Then BYE BYE Greedy SERCO!!!
All SERCO are interested in, is SURELY THE PROFIT they make on EACH & EVERY ATCO!.......
Besides this, it is a known fact that the Dubai Contract is way tooo expensive, & therefore can hardly be AFFORDED by these GREEDY Buffs.......
Even though DCA have been testing the water & asking what those who have resigned are expecting to think about staying,,,, somthing surely IS GONNA HAPPEN!!
Now be it SERCO or DCA or whoever,,,,,,,,but SURELY POSSIBLY NOT SERCO!
"Serco's gonna have to do something big or lose the contract, at least in DXB. Bottom line is the new airport. There is so much money going into its development that it will indeed open. The pride of the Emirates Aviation Group and local tourism depends on this. Anyone looking in from the outside will understand very quickly that this requires many, many more bodies. And the only way to attract worker bees is with serious money, er honey".
These last years, it has been mentioned that SOON SERCO will lose their Contract, & be taken over by a New Local Company formed by DCA ATC Personnel together with the remaining ATCOs here...
Then BYE BYE Greedy SERCO!!!
All SERCO are interested in, is SURELY THE PROFIT they make on EACH & EVERY ATCO!.......
Besides this, it is a known fact that the Dubai Contract is way tooo expensive, & therefore can hardly be AFFORDED by these GREEDY Buffs.......
Even though DCA have been testing the water & asking what those who have resigned are expecting to think about staying,,,, somthing surely IS GONNA HAPPEN!!
Now be it SERCO or DCA or whoever,,,,,,,,but SURELY POSSIBLY NOT SERCO!
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Sorry gotta disagree with a few of you on this one. 40,000 dh's a month plus gratuity, plus bonus, plus the 120k rental allowance but only 108k salary deduction, makes the salary over 100,000 Euros. People say "But what about the high costs of rent!!". You live in a box back in Oslo, or London do you? No you either pay rent or pay a mortgage. Good thing about being here is someone else pays your mortgage while you either rent or buy here.
It converts into 160,000 Aussie plus depending on the exchange rate. Tax free that is extremely favourable to what is on offer in Oz and blows away anything on offer in NZ.
As far as crossing over to GCAA of Serco staff. It will happen and it will happen in a flood. Things are just being put in place now. If Serco don't act soon they will be out in the cold. Tick Tock.
It converts into 160,000 Aussie plus depending on the exchange rate. Tax free that is extremely favourable to what is on offer in Oz and blows away anything on offer in NZ.
As far as crossing over to GCAA of Serco staff. It will happen and it will happen in a flood. Things are just being put in place now. If Serco don't act soon they will be out in the cold. Tick Tock.
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Nobody has mentioned that the cost of living in the UAE is cheap in many ways. When was the last time you could buy a can of Pepsi for 0.20€? Or pay about 4€ for a good plate of food - even in a restaurant?
Rent is expensive - that is what everyone fights to have covered in their contracts.
Alcohol - if you drink - is same as in western Europe - so expensive!
Cigarettes - if you smoke - are very cheap at 6€ per 200!
Cars are cheaper than in Europe.
Petrol is much cheaper than in Europe - about 20% of the price!
So basically you spend less in the UAE than you do back home. Which means that even if you don't earn quite the same, you end up with more in the bank at the end of the month than you would have otherwise!
Now if you have many bills to pay back in your home country, then yes the exchange rate pinned to the US Dollar doesn't help right now. But if you are relatively debt free then you will have enough coppers to enjoy a decent lifestyle!!
Then there is the weather - everyone else pays to come to the UAE on holiday - and you have it outside your back door, every day!!
Money isn't everything unless you put in all the details of what your life actually costs you.
Just my 0.02€ worth.
Rent is expensive - that is what everyone fights to have covered in their contracts.
Alcohol - if you drink - is same as in western Europe - so expensive!
Cigarettes - if you smoke - are very cheap at 6€ per 200!
Cars are cheaper than in Europe.
Petrol is much cheaper than in Europe - about 20% of the price!
So basically you spend less in the UAE than you do back home. Which means that even if you don't earn quite the same, you end up with more in the bank at the end of the month than you would have otherwise!
Now if you have many bills to pay back in your home country, then yes the exchange rate pinned to the US Dollar doesn't help right now. But if you are relatively debt free then you will have enough coppers to enjoy a decent lifestyle!!
Then there is the weather - everyone else pays to come to the UAE on holiday - and you have it outside your back door, every day!!
Money isn't everything unless you put in all the details of what your life actually costs you.
Just my 0.02€ worth.
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Just to clarify Vercing the gratuity and the bonus is a contracted minimum of one month for each per year. So it is now a promise not a whim. To be honest we have never relied on Europeans to staff the Centre anyway, it has always been Antipodeans and Yarpees, and the odd Canuck, and so this should be very attractive to those nationalities. To be honest though, the longer we are struggling for staff here the more upward pressure there is on salaries so maybe people not coming here is a good thing.
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Seems like I recieved a call from DCA yesterday, but having too much fun in the land of Tulips!!!
If I do have the opportunity to speak to them, I will be letting them know that a Good salary to keep the guys who left or are leaving would be in the 70k dhs per month range. Seriously, that is the type of monthly salaray I think that would get people to perk up and take notice of the ME again. 40 a month plus rent and stuff?? Not enuf... I think if they wanted a lot of singles who could show up in the AUH and DXB quickly, give 'em 70 k a month, and heath care (cause I wouldn't have a clue or the patience how to set it up) let them sort out the housing on their own.
Best of luck guys, hope y'all get every last dhs you're asking for, you deserve it, even you boys at AUH center!
Yup 70k a month would definitely get some people who are abroad on a flight back!
If I do have the opportunity to speak to them, I will be letting them know that a Good salary to keep the guys who left or are leaving would be in the 70k dhs per month range. Seriously, that is the type of monthly salaray I think that would get people to perk up and take notice of the ME again. 40 a month plus rent and stuff?? Not enuf... I think if they wanted a lot of singles who could show up in the AUH and DXB quickly, give 'em 70 k a month, and heath care (cause I wouldn't have a clue or the patience how to set it up) let them sort out the housing on their own.
Best of luck guys, hope y'all get every last dhs you're asking for, you deserve it, even you boys at AUH center!
Yup 70k a month would definitely get some people who are abroad on a flight back!
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its not 40K + plus rent, its 40k only per month.
At the moment on I'm 34K per month with subsidised rent. Serco provide me with 3 bedroom apartment 75K pa, market rates would have me paying between 120-150K pa.
I figure 1 overtime per month puts me pretty close to the GCAA guys, given also that they are on 45 days annual leave and I get 56 days with Serco.
Unfortunately I cannot see Serco moving too quick to improve this package in the near future.
Think long and hard chaps if you're coming here for the money.
At the moment on I'm 34K per month with subsidised rent. Serco provide me with 3 bedroom apartment 75K pa, market rates would have me paying between 120-150K pa.
I figure 1 overtime per month puts me pretty close to the GCAA guys, given also that they are on 45 days annual leave and I get 56 days with Serco.
Unfortunately I cannot see Serco moving too quick to improve this package in the near future.
Think long and hard chaps if you're coming here for the money.
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The Dark Side is calling
There are a few issues concerning the amount of the GCAA salary. Two of the bigger ones are a) Is it big enough to attract ATCOs from abroad and b) Is it enticing enough to draw SERCO ATCOs to the Dark Side.
The first part is much more complex as each foreign ATCO has a very different stack of apples and oranges to compare.
The latter is starting to become more clear as, rumor has it, there are 6 SERCO ATCOs that will switch to the Dark Side in mid-September if SERCO stands put on its present package or, and most likely, announce another delay tactic.
ANSA is correct, the clock is ticking. Either SERCO makes a decision, or the decision will be made for them.
The first part is much more complex as each foreign ATCO has a very different stack of apples and oranges to compare.
The latter is starting to become more clear as, rumor has it, there are 6 SERCO ATCOs that will switch to the Dark Side in mid-September if SERCO stands put on its present package or, and most likely, announce another delay tactic.
ANSA is correct, the clock is ticking. Either SERCO makes a decision, or the decision will be made for them.
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futr-kofeshop-dweler for president!
70K...that'd do for a while, like I said on the opening post, 40K is a good start!
The crunch will come when they (whoever they are) try to staff Jebel Ali or of course when Dubai try to go to 30 miles in trail again...we in the UAE won't have enough staff to man all the positions and the planner spots without busting hours. But that really is the start of another thread
The crunch will come when they (whoever they are) try to staff Jebel Ali or of course when Dubai try to go to 30 miles in trail again...we in the UAE won't have enough staff to man all the positions and the planner spots without busting hours. But that really is the start of another thread
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Seems like I recieved a call from DCA yesterday, but having too much fun in the land of Tulips!!!
If I do have the opportunity to speak to them, I will be letting them know that a Good salary to keep the guys who left or are leaving would be in the 70k dhs per month range. Seriously, that is the type of monthly salaray I think that would get people to perk up and take notice of the ME again. 40 a month plus rent and stuff?? Not enuf... I think if they wanted a lot of singles who could show up in the AUH and DXB quickly, give 'em 70 k a month, and heath care (cause I wouldn't have a clue or the patience how to set it up) let them sort out the housing on their own.
Best of luck guys, hope y'all get every last dhs you're asking for, you deserve it, even you boys at AUH center!
Yup 70k a month would definitely get some people who are abroad on a flight back!
If I do have the opportunity to speak to them, I will be letting them know that a Good salary to keep the guys who left or are leaving would be in the 70k dhs per month range. Seriously, that is the type of monthly salaray I think that would get people to perk up and take notice of the ME again. 40 a month plus rent and stuff?? Not enuf... I think if they wanted a lot of singles who could show up in the AUH and DXB quickly, give 'em 70 k a month, and heath care (cause I wouldn't have a clue or the patience how to set it up) let them sort out the housing on their own.
Best of luck guys, hope y'all get every last dhs you're asking for, you deserve it, even you boys at AUH center!
Yup 70k a month would definitely get some people who are abroad on a flight back!
Jebel-Ali will be the Day!!!................
SERCO's days are Numbered......'Tick-Tock-Tick-Tock'
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Hey ANSA!
Antipodeans and Yarpees, and the odd Canuck
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Surely there are people on here who have a husband/wife/lover who earn a little bit for the pot. If, for the sake of argument, you would add the two salaries together then the ME is not a bad place to earn a fair bit. Granted not everybody is married and others have kids X 2/3/4, but still.
It also depends on where your debt lies. If in EUR/GBP then maybe not so rosy. If in AUD/USD/ZAR then I think you can make a killing with a bit of financial dicipline. In ZWD you can buy a small African country.
It also depends on where your debt lies. If in EUR/GBP then maybe not so rosy. If in AUD/USD/ZAR then I think you can make a killing with a bit of financial dicipline. In ZWD you can buy a small African country
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When HK wanted people they did what was necessary and paid well above the then going rates to sort out their staffing problem.
They did get a few extras over and above those given to "local" controllers tho - a different accommodation allowance and airfares back home.
Since being recruited the HK expats have suffered several pay cuts and their accom allowance has been reduced to LESS THAN HALF what it originally was!
I have to say that Hong Kong is a better place to live than the sandpit.
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I have to say that having seen how the guys live in Hong Kong ie. what you get for your money accomodation wise, and the cost of going out, the sandpit is a pretty good option. Honestly living in Abu Dhabi gets easier every year, and really is a pretty good lifestyle. Yes it would be nice to live in a villa and have a back yard but when you weigh all things up its still pretty good.
I think if you look at the cost of living in Hong Kong versus the salaries in comparison to the cost of the living in Abu Dhabi versus the salary, the deal here is pretty good.
But hey each to their own opinion. The proof will be down to whether or not they can attract guys here and that remains to be seen.
I think if you look at the cost of living in Hong Kong versus the salaries in comparison to the cost of the living in Abu Dhabi versus the salary, the deal here is pretty good.
But hey each to their own opinion. The proof will be down to whether or not they can attract guys here and that remains to be seen.
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If Hong Kong even thinks of hiring new expats they get 100 CVs the next day, definitely not the case in the UAE. I think that speaks volumes.
It's up to the GCAA to turn Abu Dhabi's image into a desired destination like Hong Kong.
The new package is a step in the right direction but not the final answer.
It's up to the GCAA to turn Abu Dhabi's image into a desired destination like Hong Kong.
The new package is a step in the right direction but not the final answer.
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*edit* this is a reply for bluesky, somehow I couldn't qoute
Fair enough, but imagine my position : married and we have a child who is 2 years old now. My parents are baby sitting 3 days here as my wife works too. I don't think I would trust a stranger to babysit, so that means that my wife has to stop working if I would go to DBX.
My income : 110k euros before tax
wife's income : 45K euros before tax
total : 155K euro
Moving to dubai:
Only my income : can't remember the exact figure (230K dhm + extras)
hmmmm
think I wil stay where I am now.
Fair enough, but imagine my position : married and we have a child who is 2 years old now. My parents are baby sitting 3 days here as my wife works too. I don't think I would trust a stranger to babysit, so that means that my wife has to stop working if I would go to DBX.
My income : 110k euros before tax
wife's income : 45K euros before tax
total : 155K euro
Moving to dubai:
Only my income : can't remember the exact figure (230K dhm + extras)
hmmmm
think I wil stay where I am now.
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Dear atcpino,
Now is obvious why you are not profesor of maths ( me also). At first be honest and say what remain in your pocket after tax and similar givings in Holland. I bet that at least half of your sum goes to pocket of your kingdom.
Second, upon information at pprune you should multiply 34000( at least) Dhms with 12 and it is 410000dhs which +/-100000Eur net + other bonuses.
The third overall cost of living is less there than in your country.
With normal life you will have at the end of contract at least 300 000 Eur somewhere in Swiss bank. It means that you will receive every year around 10000 eur for keeping money in the bank. Those 10000 eur could give you an oportunity to choose one of 140 countries all around the world and move there for life without work. Remember half of planet population live with 2 $ daily or less.
Now is obvious why you are not profesor of maths ( me also). At first be honest and say what remain in your pocket after tax and similar givings in Holland. I bet that at least half of your sum goes to pocket of your kingdom.
Second, upon information at pprune you should multiply 34000( at least) Dhms with 12 and it is 410000dhs which +/-100000Eur net + other bonuses.
The third overall cost of living is less there than in your country.
With normal life you will have at the end of contract at least 300 000 Eur somewhere in Swiss bank. It means that you will receive every year around 10000 eur for keeping money in the bank. Those 10000 eur could give you an oportunity to choose one of 140 countries all around the world and move there for life without work. Remember half of planet population live with 2 $ daily or less.