Manchester AAVA 'ban'.

[The Fat Controller]

Lucky you !!
Still having the staff to be able to double-man a sector !!
Wait until you get the hang of single-strip operations and then you can open 2 sectors with 1 on each !!
And somebody please answer the ORIGINAL question, are AAVAs being worked or not ?

[Mahaba]

There are a small few who are still working AAVA's. Good luck to them if they are. It's not an official ban; that wouldn't be legal now would it? The majority are not doing them. Most are being done by ATCO 1's. I think it's expected of them and they maybe feel the pressure to do them from above.

[Me Me Me Me]

How many constitutes a small few? From what I've seen it's a fair number still. Money talks.

[ifaxu]

swanwick avas

slight thread creep I know but contrary to some of my colleagues I think the union reps at swanwick behaved appallingly in response to a members feelings on the remuneration offered for AVA working.
Whilst not agreeing with his argument I believe he had the right to raise his concerns and that the union could have kept the matter as an internal issue without involving the unit management. Some union reps need to remember that they are not go betweens who just inform the membership of the results of their cosy meetings with management over a nice meal and several pints.
Every member of our union has the right to question union policy and not expect a spiteful reaction from their representatives.
I reiterate that I do not agree with the gentlemans argument but feel he has been harshly dealt with by his colleagues and his union.
People need to think how they would like to be dealt with if they were in a similar situation to him. We all make mistakes at work and this wolfpack culture does a disservice to both our professionalism and our compassion.
As for bringing individual incidents into the argument that is beneath reproach and not worthy of the playground never mind the workplace.

[anotherthing]

Mahaba wrote:

MACC traffic UP from last year 7.7%
LACC traffic up from last year 3.8%

MACC stil unable to split sectors when needed and now man and boying sectors so delays are not racked up

At the risk of sounding simple, but surely if you have the manpower to man and boy sectors i.e. double the number of controllers on a sector, you then obviously have the manpower to split sectors? Only reason for the answer to be 'no' is because you have a validation problem i.e. some sectors overborne with staff whilst others are short.... i.e. a local management problem/cock up.

[mainecoon]

you miss understand man and boy

we always have tac and plan
man and boy is someone listening and helping on the tac position

three people instead of four on sectors that should be split

last point the v in ava means its your choice if you do it not some legal contract
based point

[anotherthing]

yep, I was taking man and boy to mean what we do in TC, i.e. we double up on a position i.e. one 'Tac' with someone behind as a safety number as well as prompting control actions to aid expedition.

We don't work Tac and Planner at TC, but if we did, and it seemed busy, as a planner I know most of us would be double checking the TACs actions anyways as a matter of course.

We do it as coordinators when coordinating for four or five sector quadrants... no one ever seems to take offence at the odd nudge now and again

[45 before POL]

another thing.....quite agree with comments.. these days as traffic gets busier , no one should object to assistance.... accept we are human and not robots. Many of us have been saved by those beedy eyes behind Atsa's and atco's.

[ImnotanERIC]

I can't agree more. The one time you assume someone knows about something you have spotted and don't nudge them is the time they don't know. we are all one team