NSL/NERL split
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NSL/NERL split
The Red Barron has been dropping some very broad hints recently about NSL splitting off from NERL to become a separate business - as early as this Summer based on a recent bar-stool session. I can see the logic of the two businesses diverging, given the different market pressures, but didn't realise it was this iminent.
More worrying, I've heard murmerings about a possible merger with a certain US-based airport ATC provider
. Does anybody know anything more about this?
More worrying, I've heard murmerings about a possible merger with a certain US-based airport ATC provider
. Does anybody know anything more about this?
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I suppose the logic is that NSL only makes £14m pre-tax and is up against regular competitive tender for contract renewal, whereas NERL makes £75m and is effectively a monopoly (although charging is fixed by external sources).
I know which I'd rather concentrate on.
I know which I'd rather concentrate on.
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Quel surprise 
The REAL issue surrounding pensions...
Q: How can you persuade someone to invest in/buy out NSL when all its' existing AND future employees are tied in to CAAPS?
A: Stop new employees joining CAAPS!
WARNING! WATCH YOUR PENSIONS BOYS & GIRLS!
The REAL issue surrounding pensions...
Q: How can you persuade someone to invest in/buy out NSL when all its' existing AND future employees are tied in to CAAPS?
A: Stop new employees joining CAAPS!
WARNING! WATCH YOUR PENSIONS BOYS & GIRLS!
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This scenario is nothing new. It was discussed at a joint union briefing a number of months ago as justification for the managements attitude to the pension scheme. If the management succeeds in this, I wonder if large bonuses will be forthcoming?
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Will this create a rift between stand-alone Approach units/Combined or clutch-type Approach units/Centralised Approach functions? Where would the division be exactly? I have an image of a controller with a leg on different poles of a raft that is breaking up and drifting apart.
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If it is an NSL separation then the split will affect any member of staff working at airfields NATS currently operates at. So APP guys at TC wouldn't be affected.
This is a very slippery slope. Different ts&cs for NSL compared to NERL staff. Then how long before it would be separate T&Cs for those at the "important" aerodrome and the others slowly shafted even further?
This is a very slippery slope. Different ts&cs for NSL compared to NERL staff. Then how long before it would be separate T&Cs for those at the "important" aerodrome and the others slowly shafted even further?
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Now you know why NATS rebranded and dropped the National bit from the title.
Oh for a joined up, seamless ATC service rather than the mess we're going to end up with.
Think I'll just screw up as often at possible over the next few cycles and so get myself promoted on to bigger and better things... that's how it works now isn't it?
Oh for a joined up, seamless ATC service rather than the mess we're going to end up with.
Think I'll just screw up as often at possible over the next few cycles and so get myself promoted on to bigger and better things... that's how it works now isn't it?
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The two clearly operate in very different markets. However, their other message is that NERL should start behaving more as a commercial company and not a monopoly.. If that's the case, doesn't it bring the two closer together??? 
The motivation (IMHO) is to introduce new T&Cs for NSL staff based on performance-related bonus structures. Not for the first time management will seek to play on the exisiting "I'm alright Jack, screw the rest of you" mentality to wave huge bonuses in front of the NSL noses and get them to accept reduced T&Cs, including a new pension scheme. This hugely reduces the liabilities on NSL contracts and pushes up the profit margins.
There's nothing wrong with the organisational changes they have made in management of the two companies, but please don't take their bribes and sell your T&Cs down the river if it comes to pass...
The motivation (IMHO) is to introduce new T&Cs for NSL staff based on performance-related bonus structures. Not for the first time management will seek to play on the exisiting "I'm alright Jack, screw the rest of you" mentality to wave huge bonuses in front of the NSL noses and get them to accept reduced T&Cs, including a new pension scheme. This hugely reduces the liabilities on NSL contracts and pushes up the profit margins.
There's nothing wrong with the organisational changes they have made in management of the two companies, but please don't take their bribes and sell your T&Cs down the river if it comes to pass...
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It will be interesting for the units funded by both NERL and NSL.
Bad move IMHO and further limits career opportunities within the company. Probably looks good on paper to the bean counters but look at what they have done the training system.
Bad move IMHO and further limits career opportunities within the company. Probably looks good on paper to the bean counters but look at what they have done the training system.
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He's already got us exactly where he wants us on redundancy terms, thanks to a monumental sell-out by the unions
- stand by for loose-change payoffs.....
- stand by for loose-change payoffs.....
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He's already got us exactly where he wants us on redundancy terms, thanks to a monumental sell-out by the unions - stand by for loose-change payoffs.....
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Doublethink? Profit/Safety...
Which comes first, the chicken or the egg?
As far as I remember NATS was part privatised on a 'not for profit basis', with any surpluses being returned to the employees/shareholders...was this part of the legal basis for part privatisation? Am I suffering from false memory syndrome? Why all this talk from Nats managers about BUSINESS BUSINESS BUSINESS???
PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT!!! Where does the 'surplus' go? Surely the BUSINESS shareholders have not let they're payout go that easily...or are they being duped, as the employees are about NATS cashflows??? Possibly, with the exception of the aftermath of 9/11, NATS have always been able to 'surplus', and 'bung back' to the airlines, even before the airlines were part owners/shareholders of the NATS organisation.
In Orwell's dystopia, '1984' citizens were expected to follow the party line that the war ran from one enemy to the next and back again, and follow the mantra of the bosses, otherwise suffer great pains to their well-being...in NATS the mantra was safety over profit, with profit the anathema of safety.
NOW?
Employees ARE suffering great pains to their well being at the most core (values) level, because of their current 'we are where we are' management mantra.
More like 'YOU'LL BE WHERE YOU WANT ME TO BE'.
He might as well as said 'IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH'.
To whom am I referring...his namesake flew a red triplane! (Alledgedly)!
DEBATE!
Regards from the Tardis!!
As far as I remember NATS was part privatised on a 'not for profit basis', with any surpluses being returned to the employees/shareholders...was this part of the legal basis for part privatisation? Am I suffering from false memory syndrome? Why all this talk from Nats managers about BUSINESS BUSINESS BUSINESS???
PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT!!! Where does the 'surplus' go? Surely the BUSINESS shareholders have not let they're payout go that easily...or are they being duped, as the employees are about NATS cashflows??? Possibly, with the exception of the aftermath of 9/11, NATS have always been able to 'surplus', and 'bung back' to the airlines, even before the airlines were part owners/shareholders of the NATS organisation.
In Orwell's dystopia, '1984' citizens were expected to follow the party line that the war ran from one enemy to the next and back again, and follow the mantra of the bosses, otherwise suffer great pains to their well-being...in NATS the mantra was safety over profit, with profit the anathema of safety.
NOW?
Employees ARE suffering great pains to their well being at the most core (values) level, because of their current 'we are where we are' management mantra.
More like 'YOU'LL BE WHERE YOU WANT ME TO BE'.
He might as well as said 'IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH'.
To whom am I referring...his namesake flew a red triplane! (Alledgedly)!
DEBATE!
Regards from the Tardis!!
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As far as I remember NATS was part privatised on a 'not for profit basis', with any surpluses being returned to the employees/shareholders...was this part of the legal basis for part privatisation? Am I suffering from false memory syndrome? Why all this talk from Nats managers about BUSINESS BUSINESS BUSINESS???
Endured the misleading propaganda of the corporate side of NATS.
Pensions holiday post 9/11.
Accepted 3 year pay deals so the company bean counters could have "financial clarity".
Sold off Home to Duty Pay.
Accepted a reduction in student pay.
AND HERE'S THE THANKS WE GET
DRASTICALLY REDUCED REDUNDANCY TERMS BECAUSE THE BARON WANTS RID OF SOME YOU WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY!
The £750 is devious ploy to get the deal accepted, because most staff in NATS are not staring down the barrel of the redundancy rifle, he figures human greed will do the dirty work for him. Will you be bought off so cheaply, over such an important and highly emotive subject, when the voting starts?
A line has been drawn in the sand, so stick together brothers!
