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Old 14th Feb 2019, 11:21
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Originally Posted by HannahWrigley
3) Everyone gets the £1000 when they validate, again as far as Iím aware
So, this means there is up to a 3-year delay until you are paid this? Which I guess means, when working out whether I could afford to take the financial hit (assuming I get through), I shouldn't take this figure into account.

How do other trainees manage financially in the first 2-3 years, particularly those with a mortgage and kids?
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 12:01
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How are people coming to the conclusion that you can reapply in April if you fail? From what I understood from the email, only if you fail to complete the stages by the deadline or if you voluntarily withdraw can you reapply in April.

Also I'm guessing after April they're going to remove the booklet multiple choice test since it's not really possible to test someone that way at home. Perhaps replace it with something else?

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Old 14th Feb 2019, 12:35
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Originally Posted by tf412
So, this means there is up to a 3-year delay until you are paid this? Which I guess means, when working out whether I could afford to take the financial hit (assuming I get through), I shouldn't take this figure into account.

How do other trainees manage financially in the first 2-3 years, particularly those with a mortgage and kids?
No kids or a mortgage for me yet but I will be continuing to pay my half of a two bed flat in central Reading so my other half isn't forced to move out and into a house share because of my career decisions.

One of the things that attracted me to Jerez was that the living costs are more favourable (i.e fairly close to zero as food and accomodation is covered) and I believe from a tax perspective it's more like 20% total Spanish tax than about 33% in the UK by the time you factor in NI. Obviously got to factor in personal allowance and things like that. It depends if you can bear to be away from home for that long though I suppose. I believe flights are also included as well as a weekend allowance too. And once I'm back in the UK it will basically be a break even/eat into savings situation paying for two lots of rent at once until I find out where I'm being posted.

I do know they strongly discourage you from taking on a second job for example.

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Old 14th Feb 2019, 22:18
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Originally Posted by HannahWrigley
I think on 17k you could manage it. It would be like £1200 a month excluding the £60 a week. You'll be so busy with college you won't have to worry too much about funding like leisure type stuff, so most of what you earn could go to bills/rent/mortgage/food and £1200 a month should be plenty for that. I get less than that now and pay for rent/food/bills in the South already and have money to spare so as long as you watch what you spend you'll be fine.
I've no doubt I could manage on that amount if I was single, even if it required me to make some sacrifices. Problem is, a £950 mortgage payment and ensuring two little kids have food on the table sadly don't fall into the "leisure" category...

Originally Posted by DoStuffAndStuff
How are people coming to the conclusion that you can reapply in April if you fail? From what I understood from the email, only if you fail to complete the stages by the deadline or if you voluntarily withdraw can you reapply in April.
I had exactly the same thought earlier today, as that's exactly how the email came across to me too. But then I called NATS to discuss something else and was told that reapplication *will* be possible in April with no need to wait 12 months if you happen to fail at any of the earlier stages. So, it sounds to me that they are making more substantial changes to the selection process than just the way it is delivered, and perhaps someone who doesn't perform that well on one of the current tests might perform differently on one of the new ones. Pure speculation, of course, but that's how it came across.
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 08:04
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Originally Posted by DoStuffAndStuff
How are people coming to the conclusion that you can reapply in April if you fail? From what I understood from the email, only if you fail to complete the stages by the deadline or if you voluntarily withdraw can you reapply in April.

Also I'm guessing after April they're going to remove the booklet multiple choice test since it's not really possible to test someone that way at home. Perhaps replace it with something else?
I'm only going from what we were told at Stage 2 on Monday. If we failed then you can re-apply from April 1st. There was no mention on the actual process changing other than initial stages are now all online, with latter interviews taking place at centres around the country. We were also told that if we passed stage 2 then we'd need to book onto stage 3 before April, otherwise our application would expire and would have to start again come April 1st. Whether that would be the case if you took stage 2 in March, I don't know.

Referring back to the earlier post on whether to take stage 2 before April 1st, I would say take the opportunity for sure. The environment you do it in is great, it gives you a chance to see what's required (assuming the stage 2 stays the same and you don't pass first time) and if like me, only have a small laptop, i'm not sure I would want to be trying to do stage 2 and DART in particular, on that, at home.
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 19:42
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Lemonair,

Hopefully I have missed something in this sequence of posts, but forget taking on a second job during your ATCO training course.

It demands 150% commitment.
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 19:58
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Originally Posted by ZOOKER
Lemonair,

Hopefully I have missed something in this sequence of posts, but forget taking on a second job during your ATCO training course.

It demands 150% commitment.
It stemmed from a discussion of how to cope financially if you have a family, I was giving advice not to take a second job
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 13:14
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Hi everyone! Just booked my stage 2 and now I'm battling through the booklet.
Can anyone advise on the below?

"1. Boeing 737-300/400/500 series.
2. Seating 300 series, 128 standard,
400 series standard with a maximum 171 seats."

This doesn't give a number of seats for the 500, do I just take it to be 128? I've looked online for the number of seats for the 500 but can't find it anywhere. It's a small issue but I really don't want to get caught out on the test.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 14:37
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Originally Posted by gemma96
Hi everyone! Just booked my stage 2 and now I'm battling through the booklet.
Can anyone advise on the below?

"1. Boeing 737-300/400/500 series.
2. Seating 300 series, 128 standard,
400 series standard with a maximum 171 seats."

This doesn't give a number of seats for the 500, do I just take it to be 128? I've looked online for the number of seats for the 500 but can't find it anywhere. It's a small issue but I really don't want to get caught out on the test.
Don't worry about that. Just learn what's in the booklet. That detail won't matter, trust me.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 20:55
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Originally Posted by gemma96
Hi everyone! Just booked my stage 2 and now I'm battling through the booklet.
Can anyone advise on the below?

"1. Boeing 737-300/400/500 series.
2. Seating 300 series, 128 standard,
400 series standard with a maximum 171 seats."

This doesn't give a number of seats for the 500, do I just take it to be 128? I've looked online for the number of seats for the 500 but can't find it anywhere. It's a small issue but I really don't want to get caught out on the test.
I agree it is annoying there are a few parts like this that don't follow their own structure. I have also looked on Wikipedia for this info and the other info doesn't then match up!!!

I sat a different version over 6 years ago and it was really pretty easy if you had read the info a few times. I am not overly concerned about all the plane specifics, just the general themes and similarities. I am petrified of FEAST and DART though! So as previously mentioned, read what is there and don;t worry about anything else. Good luck!
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 08:56
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Couldn't agree more! The courses are twice as intense as any degree/masters course and require total commitment. There is a HUGE volume of content to learn and understand. As an example my course spent one day at the weekend studying, in addition to at least 2/3hours every weekday night.

I sympathise with your position, but at the same time my course went through the college being paid the old pay scale (£13k.... £900 a month!!) and had to survive! The higher starting salary has come about to entice more people to apply, including graduates.

It may be worth adding that at the moment that whilst the pay increase has happened at the college, once you get posted to unit you get no living allowances whilst training and so in some cases your take home pay may be *less* than at the college (I have heard stories of this being the case). There is also no shift allowance at unit until you are fully valid......
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 09:43
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Originally Posted by Flying184
Couldn't agree more! The courses are twice as intense as any degree/masters course and require total commitment. There is a HUGE volume of content to learn and understand. As an example my course spent one day at the weekend studying, in addition to at least 2/3hours every weekday night.

I sympathise with your position, but at the same time my course went through the college being paid the old pay scale (£13k.... £900 a month!!) and had to survive! The higher starting salary has come about to entice more people to apply, including graduates.

It may be worth adding that at the moment that whilst the pay increase has happened at the college, once you get posted to unit you get no living allowances whilst training and so in some cases your take home pay may be *less* than at the college (I have heard stories of this being the case). There is also no shift allowance at unit until you are fully valid......
What time do classes tend to start and finish? Is it basically 9-5 for the supervised learning bit? And then the three hours in the evening?
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 13:23
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Originally Posted by Lemonair
What time do classes tend to start and finish? Is it basically 9-5 for the supervised learning bit? And then the three hours in the evening?
It's 8 - 4.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 11:47
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Originally Posted by YB24
Hi, I'm currently waiting to sit my stage 2 (currently studying an unrelated course at uni so was waiting until April to sit stage 2), however, I've just had an email stating stage 2 will need to be completed by the end of March and if sucessful, stage 3 by the end of April. Due to uni placements, I could only now sit stage 2 in Feb. What I am wondering is realistically, how long did it take to learn the booklet well enough to pass the test? Whilst I am aware everyone learns at different rates, I am loathed to spend £300 to travel down from Ayrshire with not enough prep time but would have to start from scratch with my application in April 2019, if I don't. Any advice appreciated!
YB24 regarding how long it should take to learn the booklet, if you can put aside 5 x 2hr study sessions that should be enough for most. However, a Scottish lad turned up at CTC a couple years ago, HR hadn't emailed him the booklet in advance. They asked if he was still happy to sit the test that day. They printed it out and he sat in the corner for 1.5 hrs reading the booklet, then sat the test and passed! Needless to say he is now valid at Prestwick.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 17:21
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Hi, Just wondering if anyone who passed stage 3 at the end of January has been given a start date yet?
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Old 20th Feb 2019, 16:52
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Hey, bit of a long shot, but anyone on the July course at Global? I've just been changed onto it instead of my CTC course, so just wondered if anyone else is on it and we can get a What'sApp group on the go?
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Originally Posted by desrudy
Do you guys ( who re-apply ) have issues to choose and book a day for the stage 2 ???
I get an error message -_- .
I email nats recruitment and they send me this email :

We are experiencing technical issues for candidates wishing to reapply .



We are however working on a new selection model and would ask that you continue to be patient with us whilst we complete this task.

Our plan is to go live with the new application model in April 2019 and will send new links then in order for you to re-apply.

In implementing this new model it will give us the opportunity to transform the way in which we conduct our Trainee Air Traffic Controller application process. It will also deliver significant changes and lasting benefits both to the application process and transform the way we do business in NATS.



Our new selection process

The new selection process, launching early April will have three key stages:



Stage 1 - Online Ability Tests

Stage 2 - Online Situational Judgement Test (SJT) and an Online Personality Questionnaire (OPQ)

Stage 3 - An Assessment centre where you will take part in an interview, a group exercise and will retake the ability tests .

That sounds harder than before ...



So no FEAST or DART?
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Originally Posted by Arg1203
Hey, bit of a long shot, but anyone on the July course at Global? I've just been changed onto it instead of my CTC course, so just wondered if anyone else is on it and we can get a What'sApp group on the go?
I was told I might be starting in July but it hasn't been confirmed yet, when did you have your stage 3 and find out when you were starting?
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Failed FEAST

Hi everyone. Anyone else on here that was at the stage 2 on 15th Feb? Unfortunately I didn't get through the FEAST test but I'm sure given another chance I could get through. I really was NOT on form after driving down the night before and barely getting any sleep. I think out of 12 people only 4 or 5 got through to the afternoon. Massively disappointed. I'm pleased that I can reapply on the new process but it's not clear if the FEAST and DART tests are now part of it. Anyone know for sure?
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Hey guys,

I have my stage 2 tomorrow and just wanted to find out some more information.

In the email I received from NATS, it says 'Candidates need to be successful in each assessment in order to continue through to the remaining sessions. Those that are not successful at the end of the FEAST assessment will be invited to leave.'.

I'm unsure whether or not it means you can be kicked out after the ATC knowledge test, and some clarification would be helpful. I have never been really studied for any exams but do enjoy taking them, so am looking forward to the FEAST and DART, but am hoping that my revision for the first test will be enough as I don't really have much experience.

If anyone has experience please let me know if you can be unsuccessful after the first exam, and also if memorizing the information they give you is enough to pass.

Thanks!
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