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Old 13th Feb 2007, 08:07
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Could someone please explain to me the reason behind this new pronounciation of the number ZERO. I noticed it a couple of months ago over London. I thought the fella had hurt his tongue....
"ZEERDO". That's how it sounded. And a couple of days ago, I heard it in Dublin as well. What's the reason for this. If it's a new ICAO-english-thing, then it's stupid. It will make it even more difficult for non-english both to pronounce and understand.
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I think they were two people with pronounciation problems as you said or your radio needs looked at. I work in London and have never heard this and its definately not a new icao standard
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Didn't have a cold did they?
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Rich coming from a Ryanair pilot.

Some of your crews have the worst english I have ever heard which makes it a nightmare in very busy airspace!
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And, while we're having a therapeutic rant, what about that waypoint west of Strumble VOR. Bakur, once pronounced BAKE-ur is now being rendered BACK-ur.
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A group of therapists somewhere are wringing their hands at the moment thinking "Why don't they call me?"
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Oh, I'm truly sorry MancBoy for not immediately offering an official apology on behalf of all non-native Ryanair employees, making your life such a misery.
Anyways, I know what I heard...both of them were using effort not to pronounce it the normal way. Thanx for your help guys.
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I've found myself slipping out the occasional 'Zedo' now and again, especially when busy and talking quickly. I think it stems from saying it so often, it eventually becomes corrupt in some people. A few people I work alongside seem to find it impossible to say 'Zero'.

It does sound stupid.
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He, he...but come to think of it, that actually sounds very plausible for my case.
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You guys don't make my life a misery, I just work around it and try and talk to you v e r y.................................................s l o w l y.
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MancBoy

Leave it.........!

"dad"
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I often emphasise the word zero so that it comes out as ZERR-RHO, with a tongue flick half way through.

Which, if one says quickly might sound like 'zeddo'.
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Mancboy!!

Did you not know that RYR hire the worst englishspeakers around just to make your life misery!

Pretty poor show from an aviation proffessional me thinks.

But the agian, if u ask a question, then one must be shot down asap!
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Not as bad as they used to be back in the 1980s with their Romanian Ba11s....their English was sometimes a bit tricky (but better than my Romanian)
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sorry dad!

straight to bed with no dinner?

hope you are well
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Old 13th Feb 2007, 20:29
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RE Waypoint Bakur.Its pronounced Bake-ur.
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Old 14th Feb 2007, 19:29
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MancBoy: Once again I feel sorry for you. Not because you have to speak slowly to Ryr pilots, but because you clearly underestimate these guys simply because they don't speak perfect english. May I enlighten you....these guys are most likely as intelligent as you, if not even more. They do not only have one language skill, but two and very often several. The first thing I take notice of when I meet an Englishman is the way he/she talks to me...The stupid ones keep talking to me as if I was a retard, however the smart ones treat me as any other english speaking person.
Try to speak my language, and you'll probably sound like a mong. Do you get my drift?
The only difference here is that in aviation we all speak ICAO english, and sometimes one can hear something completely new and you ask "Say again..", often because of accent/local procedures. You should try working in another country for a while and you'll probably find your own standard is not perfect either, even though english is apparently your mother-tongue.
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Well done, RYR-738. Spot on! Those that criticise are saying more about themselves than those they criticise.
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738, touchy.
Why would I want to work in another country when I am perfectly happy here?
I merely stated that some of RYR pilots english is pretty bad. I would expect it from a non UK based airline but as RYR pretty much is then I would expect the guys to be 'on the ball' when flying through VERY busy airspace. Not act as if they have all the time in the world when I could be fitting in another couple of transmissions!
Plus, I didn't actually mean it when I said I spoke very slowly to ryanair pilots. I was winding you up which I think i achieved pretty easily!

Also, I don't underestimate you guys either. I know how hard you work and the strict turnaround times you try to stick to.
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RE Waypoint Bakur.Its pronounced Bake-ur.

Ex DUB Via PESIT maybe 54N 15W but coming t'other road it's definitely BACK-ur. Probably pronounced this way to accomodate our continental cousins je pense. Apropos MancBoy unless you live in Wilmslow or it's environs you probably sound like Noel Gallagher

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