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hi ANSA,
I am just tryin to get some info from u, as u r like being portrayed as like an H.R. to the SERCO Unit u work in UAE ACC.
I would like to ask a question to u pls? As it seems that the ACC u r in, is Short of Staff, or more Staff leaving than joining, would your Unit consider a Radar ATCO who is ONLY APP Radar Rated, but.... not Area Rated??
I know this could sound odd, but who knows? I'm asking this as a colleague of mine who was barely a yeear on Area Radar, but had been around 4yrs on APP Radar was offered a job in Abu Dhabi, ON THE PHONE.....This was about less than a year ago.....
Ok he didnt have the 5 year minimums, but would your Unit consider having an APP Radar Rated ATCO to do Area Radar there in Abu Dhabi or Bahrain, that is doing the Radar Conversion within your Company?& of course put pen to paper on a Contract?
Thanks, & appreciate your views & answers
Good day mate
I am just tryin to get some info from u, as u r like being portrayed as like an H.R. to the SERCO Unit u work in UAE ACC.
I would like to ask a question to u pls? As it seems that the ACC u r in, is Short of Staff, or more Staff leaving than joining, would your Unit consider a Radar ATCO who is ONLY APP Radar Rated, but.... not Area Rated??
I know this could sound odd, but who knows? I'm asking this as a colleague of mine who was barely a yeear on Area Radar, but had been around 4yrs on APP Radar was offered a job in Abu Dhabi, ON THE PHONE.....This was about less than a year ago.....
Ok he didnt have the 5 year minimums, but would your Unit consider having an APP Radar Rated ATCO to do Area Radar there in Abu Dhabi or Bahrain, that is doing the Radar Conversion within your Company?& of course put pen to paper on a Contract?
Thanks, & appreciate your views & answers
Good day mate
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Hey Prowler certainly not HR for Serco, so sorry can't tell you whether they will take you without an Area rating. You need to contact Serco or GCAA to find that out. I think Abu Dhabi App and Dubai App are both hiring though if you don't have any luck with Area. Cheers.
Of course the 2nd runway would make a huge difference for us, as now we are having to provide 20 NM in trail spacing during peak periods, with certain crews at times asking for up to 40 NM in trail spacing. When you have 70 arrivals in 2 hours, those figures just don't work, and so we end up holding for 4 hours, with masses of aircraft spinning in both holding stacks. Until we do get the 2nd runway, what would help is that all Dubai App crews do as some do, that is they look out and see that they have a lull from one side and reduce the spacing from the other side to help clear the hold, or at least help us stay below sector capacity. Anyway thats a different topic and its been done before. I'll stop right there.
The main difference between direct hire and Serco hire is that you arrive direct hire, you get put in a hotel room, get given your money, and then its up to you to find a place to live etc. With Serco, you arrive and have a furnished flat to live in (yes not always a great one), and all your visas, liquor licenses, health insurance etc are looked after. So the money is basically the same it is just a matter of how much support you want when you arrive from an overseas country.
Of course the 2nd runway would make a huge difference for us, as now we are having to provide 20 NM in trail spacing during peak periods, with certain crews at times asking for up to 40 NM in trail spacing. When you have 70 arrivals in 2 hours, those figures just don't work, and so we end up holding for 4 hours, with masses of aircraft spinning in both holding stacks. Until we do get the 2nd runway, what would help is that all Dubai App crews do as some do, that is they look out and see that they have a lull from one side and reduce the spacing from the other side to help clear the hold, or at least help us stay below sector capacity. Anyway thats a different topic and its been done before. I'll stop right there.
The main difference between direct hire and Serco hire is that you arrive direct hire, you get put in a hotel room, get given your money, and then its up to you to find a place to live etc. With Serco, you arrive and have a furnished flat to live in (yes not always a great one), and all your visas, liquor licenses, health insurance etc are looked after. So the money is basically the same it is just a matter of how much support you want when you arrive from an overseas country.
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Hello
Having just zipped through the ME (Dubai) I can only say - the place is awesome and everyone looks very happy. Obviously there are problems but these seem small.
Would recommend the place to anyone, even if its only for a holiday.
Cheers
Having just zipped through the ME (Dubai) I can only say - the place is awesome and everyone looks very happy. Obviously there are problems but these seem small.
Would recommend the place to anyone, even if its only for a holiday.
Cheers
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It’s no wonder the Gulf locations have such a high turnover of ATC staff.
Reading all the threads it seems that most controllers in the ME spend their time whining about every issue. In the seventies and eighties we simply rolled up our sleeves and got on with the job. Loved the job, loved the life.
No expectations, no hand wringing, no “should I” “ shouldn’t I” and “what if this” and “what if that”.
Nancy boys the lot of you!
Reading all the threads it seems that most controllers in the ME spend their time whining about every issue. In the seventies and eighties we simply rolled up our sleeves and got on with the job. Loved the job, loved the life.
No expectations, no hand wringing, no “should I” “ shouldn’t I” and “what if this” and “what if that”.
Nancy boys the lot of you!
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Hello
We are a french couple. We are 32 years old. We are both ATC in an enroute control centre in france. The name is REIMS ACC . It is one of the busiest area of europe as we are right in the middle of all european airfields. We are in permanent relationship with the main european control centres as SKYGUIDE, NATS, DFS, MAASTRICHT UAC.
We started aviation training school in 2003, we moved to our job location and we have been working as atc ´ s in Reims ACC since then.
We would like to apply for a job in the middle east, abu dhabi would be a perfect match for us
What is the procedure ? Would it be possible ?
I still have some questions regarding the way of living :
could you tell us how hard the training is, and how long it took you to get your full qualification. what is the exact amount of money you get once you arrive , and how the children, house and transportation allowance are calculated .
Also we would like to know how the shift is, how many days you work in a year , and the number on holidays you get
Thank you very much for your response , we would really appreciate
Best regards
We are a french couple. We are 32 years old. We are both ATC in an enroute control centre in france. The name is REIMS ACC . It is one of the busiest area of europe as we are right in the middle of all european airfields. We are in permanent relationship with the main european control centres as SKYGUIDE, NATS, DFS, MAASTRICHT UAC.
We started aviation training school in 2003, we moved to our job location and we have been working as atc ´ s in Reims ACC since then.
We would like to apply for a job in the middle east, abu dhabi would be a perfect match for us
What is the procedure ? Would it be possible ?
I still have some questions regarding the way of living :
could you tell us how hard the training is, and how long it took you to get your full qualification. what is the exact amount of money you get once you arrive , and how the children, house and transportation allowance are calculated .
Also we would like to know how the shift is, how many days you work in a year , and the number on holidays you get
Thank you very much for your response , we would really appreciate
Best regards
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We are both ATC in an enroute control centre in france. The name is REIMS ACC. It is one of the busiest area of europe as we are right in the middle of all european airfields.
could you tell us how hard the training is, and how long it took you to get your full qualification
. what is the exact amount of money you get once you arrive , and how the children, house and transportation allowance are calculated
Housing is getting more expensive, you will need to pay at least 6 months rent up front as well as 5% commission and 5% deposit.
Schooling is pretty expensive here too, you have to pay for it yourselves.
However if you are both working as ATCs then you should be pretty comfortable here but you may have trouble getting both if you hired if you have the same surname (not sure about this one).
Also we would like to know how the shift is, how many days you work in a year. what is the exact amount of money you get once you arrive , and the number on holidays you get
If you get hired directly with GCAA you get nothing on arrival, only your pay at the end of the month.
It is an enjoyable place to live and work, the ATCs are generally very friendly and
good to work with. It does get busy like everywhere, the big difference here is there is no central flow unit so there is no regulation of traffic. You also will work the hardest on night shifts and it is only getting busier like most places.
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i did not mean to offend you when i was speaking about a busy area , it was just to say we have some kind of experience to apply ....
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anyway , it sounds great
we would love to join the adventure , we are very motivated , we just have to wait for AD vacancies to show up....
any advice about how to fill in our CV ? we just have a 8 years experience of en route after a 2 years at aviation school where we acquired both ACC and APP ratings.
thank you all
we would love to join the adventure , we are very motivated , we just have to wait for AD vacancies to show up....
any advice about how to fill in our CV ? we just have a 8 years experience of en route after a 2 years at aviation school where we acquired both ACC and APP ratings.
thank you all
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What I think Number2 means is:
1. Be prepaired to be offered AED 42.000 per month while your colleagues who already work there are being paid 54.000
2. Accept the fact that leave days went from 56 a year to 30 when Serco left and you have to take the 4 days between cycles as leave days
3. School allowance went from AED 65.000 a year to 50.000 when Serco left which is conciderable when you have to pay around AED 60.000 per child at a good school, plus additional charges.
4. You will have to sponsor your family yourself and go through all the trouble of arranging it because unlike Serco, GAL does not do it.
5. Getting days off can be a problem, especially two continuous cycles because of staff shortage.
6. With Serco, if you were called out on a standy shift you got a day leave in return. With GAL you have to work 12 standy shifts before gettin one day leave (lieu) back.
and more...
at least that is what a friend of mine told me who works there
1. Be prepaired to be offered AED 42.000 per month while your colleagues who already work there are being paid 54.000
2. Accept the fact that leave days went from 56 a year to 30 when Serco left and you have to take the 4 days between cycles as leave days
3. School allowance went from AED 65.000 a year to 50.000 when Serco left which is conciderable when you have to pay around AED 60.000 per child at a good school, plus additional charges.
4. You will have to sponsor your family yourself and go through all the trouble of arranging it because unlike Serco, GAL does not do it.
5. Getting days off can be a problem, especially two continuous cycles because of staff shortage.
6. With Serco, if you were called out on a standy shift you got a day leave in return. With GAL you have to work 12 standy shifts before gettin one day leave (lieu) back.
and more...
at least that is what a friend of mine told me who works there
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You are getting Abu Dhabi Approach mixed up with the Abu Dhabi ACC which I believe is what is being asked about.
The starting pay is closer to the higher figure than the lower one but is 5,000 a month less than what people who have been there a while are on.
Leave is 34 working days a year at the ACC, for HR benefit it is calculated as 56 calendar days. This has not changed in a long time, just the way they are calculated has.
As I said previously the ACC has no schooling allowance, just a monthly pay.
Not true with GCAA, while they are no where near as helpful as Serco, they do pay for and arrange all sponsorship.
Again not true in the ACC, but unfortunately for any people looking to come here there are probably too many staff so any new jobs will probably just replace people leaving.
In the ACC standby shifts are part of your normal roster pattern do if you get called out you are working a normal shift anyway. If you don't get called out then it is an extra day off.
I won't try to guess what Number 2 is getting at but I would say that there are people who like it here and others who don't. GCAA is far from a perfect employer and the fact the there has been no pay rise in 5 years is affecting morale quite badly.
1. Be prepaired to be offered AED 42.000 per month while your colleagues who already work there are being paid 54.000
2. Accept the fact that leave days went from 56 a year to 30 when Serco left and you have to take the 4 days between cycles as leave days
3. School allowance went from AED 65.000 a year to 50.000 when Serco left which is conciderable when you have to pay around AED 60.000 per child at a good school, plus additional charges.
4. You will have to sponsor your family yourself and go through all the trouble of arranging it because unlike Serco, GAL does not do it.
5. Getting days off can be a problem, especially two continuous cycles because of staff shortage.
6. With Serco, if you were called out on a standy shift you got a day leave in return. With GAL you have to work 12 standy shifts before gettin one day leave (lieu) back.
I won't try to guess what Number 2 is getting at but I would say that there are people who like it here and others who don't. GCAA is far from a perfect employer and the fact the there has been no pay rise in 5 years is affecting morale quite badly.
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