NATS ATCO Pay Deal Accepted
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NATS ATCO Pay Deal Accepted
NATs ATCO's pay deal accepted:
ATCO PAY BALLOT RESULT
The ballot of ATCO members on the NATS pay offer for ATCO grades has concluded, with a vote to accept the offer.
The ballot result is declared as follows:
Number of ballot papers distributed 1840
Number of ballot papers returned 1248
Number found to be spoilt 0
Thus number of valid votes counted 1248 (68% of distributed ballot papers)
Number voting YES 798 (64% of valid vote)
Number voting NO 445 (36% of valid vote)
TOTAL 1248(68% of valid vote)
ATCO PAY BALLOT RESULT
The ballot of ATCO members on the NATS pay offer for ATCO grades has concluded, with a vote to accept the offer.
The ballot result is declared as follows:
Number of ballot papers distributed 1840
Number of ballot papers returned 1248
Number found to be spoilt 0
Thus number of valid votes counted 1248 (68% of distributed ballot papers)
Number voting YES 798 (64% of valid vote)
Number voting NO 445 (36% of valid vote)
TOTAL 1248(68% of valid vote)
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Originally Posted by future atco
hi
forgive my ignorance, but is this the same pay deal that could change the starting pay of Trainee's at the college from £15,000 to £10,000?
Thanks
forgive my ignorance, but is this the same pay deal that could change the starting pay of Trainee's at the college from £15,000 to £10,000?
Thanks
I don't know about anyone else, but if I do get in, that would pretty well shaft me - I'm not quite sure how I'm supposed to afford to relocate my family to the south of england and survive on £10000 pa. I can't see any other option than to get a part-time job in the little spare time I would have at the college - needless to say, I can imagine that adversely affecting my studies and meaning I see even less of my child's early development. I can appreciate that NATS would feel that they're 'wasting' a lot of money by paying a higher salary to 80 of the 120 students (disclaimer: anecdotal figure) who never get through the training, but considering that someone with a family to support is likely to work hard and not piss around at the college, an allowance for families would seem a good idea (well, it seems like a good idea to me, anyway!).
I can understand what I suspect to be the reasoning behind it, but it seems a shame that NATS might be cutting a whole section of their applicant base out of the equation, some of whom, under different circumstances, might go on to make extremely reliable and competent ATCOs.
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Well if it's been accepted then what's the deal? I've been on leave a couple of weeks and am off another couple still, never received a ballot paper or any info even though Prospect do have my correct mailing address (apart from a single grainy photcopied a4 sheet a few months ago from Prospect without much detail).
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that deal is shocking, this effective means 'mature' applicants will deter from this career as the salary would not cover all the necessary expenses
i being one of them know that i would have to take a drastic pay cut, but as i want the position so badly, the light at the end of the tunnel is the factor that motivates me
i rather get paid crap wages for a job i love initially than being paid mega bucks for a job i have no motivation for......
i being one of them know that i would have to take a drastic pay cut, but as i want the position so badly, the light at the end of the tunnel is the factor that motivates me
i rather get paid crap wages for a job i love initially than being paid mega bucks for a job i have no motivation for......
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Originally Posted by AeroBatfink
I would guess so, because we were all told about the pay reduction by an ATCO at the NATS initial assessment I attended yesterday. It's not just the reduction, they've also done away with the accomodation allowance. So it's effectively gone from around £20000 to £10000 at one fell swoop!
I thought that the WAP was still going to be paid to trainees.
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Originally Posted by driver 8
Well if it's been accepted then what's the deal? I've been on leave a couple of weeks and am off another couple still, never received a ballot paper or any info even though Prospect do have my correct mailing address (apart from a single grainy photcopied a4 sheet a few months ago from Prospect without much detail).
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If you didn't receive your ballot paper did you get in touch with Prospect over the last couple of weeks and ask where it was/check your details/ask for a new ballot be sent to you?
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so no living allowances? tax and ni on 10000? so after that about 700 monthly. that doesnt even cover cost of living down here in cornwall! and thats with a RAF house!! i now have to seriously rethink even though my reports are pushing to get controller (just dun wanna do it in the raf!). i realise that in other countries, a lot of the course is paid for by the students themselves. Canada for example is approx CD$3500 for the IFR course. Why not get the students who fail to pay back the money? or a proportion at least?
the wifes gonna go crazy! oh shi............................................!
oh, and i really really really wanted to be an ATCO too!
and is there any links to show what this whole deal is? ta!
the wifes gonna go crazy! oh shi............................................!
oh, and i really really really wanted to be an ATCO too!
and is there any links to show what this whole deal is? ta!
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Hi folks,
As an Atco at a large unit on the South coast, all I can say is that I can understand your concerns over Student pay which would appear to now be less than what we were being paid in the early nineties as cadets. However, the salary is supposedly going to be paid in "a tax efficient way" whatever that means. Therefore, the cash in hand amount at the end of the month remains to be seen.
I do think Aerobatfinks idea of a family allowance would definitely be worth looking at, as this would make the training period somewhat easier on those with family responsibilities who may feel the pinch that little bit more.
On the positive side, over the last couple of pay rounds, the ATCO scales have increased considerably and that is where you will spend most of your career.
Admittedly, that doesn't come with a guarantee of validation!
As an Atco at a large unit on the South coast, all I can say is that I can understand your concerns over Student pay which would appear to now be less than what we were being paid in the early nineties as cadets. However, the salary is supposedly going to be paid in "a tax efficient way" whatever that means. Therefore, the cash in hand amount at the end of the month remains to be seen.
I do think Aerobatfinks idea of a family allowance would definitely be worth looking at, as this would make the training period somewhat easier on those with family responsibilities who may feel the pinch that little bit more.
On the positive side, over the last couple of pay rounds, the ATCO scales have increased considerably and that is where you will spend most of your career.
Admittedly, that doesn't come with a guarantee of validation!
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Area52, fair enough the pay scales for atco's have gone up. is there any way i can find out these pay scales? or anything about the new pay deal? might help me put the trg wage into perspective!
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Well at least now it may start attracting those people who actually want to be an ATCO and not just those doing it because the money looks good! Lets hope this recruits guys and gals who know about aircraft types etc!You're not on the low salary all your life...show NATS what you can do and see the money go up!!
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Angrel....if you really really want to do one of the most rewarding jobs going, then don't worry about the trg pay....look to the future!!! Never a dull day and they pay you to enjoy it......
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i agree totally. but to be able to look at the future, ya gotta look at the big picture! hence why i would like to know the full deal. just so all is straight in my own mind.
i agree totally. but to be able to look at the future, ya gotta look at the big picture! hence why i would like to know the full deal. just so all is straight in my own mind.
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ah roll on the canteen moans and groans in a couple of years or so when the company is making profits which we will now not be able to take a slice of.
but hey thats democracy for you
but hey thats democracy for you
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Just to let you know, all the information about your pay is on the recruitment page under Career FAQ's on the NATS website. Rumour at the college is that over the next few years they are gonna completely phase out trainee pay and maybe even make the trainee pay themselves. Also the £10,000 (taxed) and no WAP pay has been on the website for at least the last month and supposedly NATS have had the highest amount of applicants (someone mentioned 1700 since the beginning of the year). This is due to the huge recruitment advertising campaign. How many of those applicants will be viable is anyones guess as they have targeted a completely different crowd.
Nats is a business now and very few countries around the world pay their trainees as much as Nats used to, therefore making it easy for Nats to redistribute the 20,000 from trainees pockets to experienced ATCO's, just think that if you make the grade you get paid even more.
Overall I'd count yourself lucky you are going to get anything as eventually training to be an ATCO will be like going to Uni... Debt!
Also there is no hope in hell that you'll be able to have a part-time job and be successful at the college. It is so intense that you have to totally give yourself weekends, although they even get infringed upon as the course goes on, but it is only for 10 months then your pay goes up!
Nats is a business now and very few countries around the world pay their trainees as much as Nats used to, therefore making it easy for Nats to redistribute the 20,000 from trainees pockets to experienced ATCO's, just think that if you make the grade you get paid even more.
Overall I'd count yourself lucky you are going to get anything as eventually training to be an ATCO will be like going to Uni... Debt!
Also there is no hope in hell that you'll be able to have a part-time job and be successful at the college. It is so intense that you have to totally give yourself weekends, although they even get infringed upon as the course goes on, but it is only for 10 months then your pay goes up!
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Market forces
At the end of the day it comes down to market forces. There are a number of people of this forum bemoaning the new pay deal and saying how hard it will be(myself included), the key point is we're still intending to accept a place at the college if one is offered. Playing devils advocate to a certain extent, but why should NATS pay more than necessary( as long as the quality of candidate doesn't slip). Who would be surprised in a couple of years time (if the standard of candidate has been maintained) the £10,000 became £7,500 and so on.
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Try looking at this from an engineer's point of view
4 years spent at uni, Bu**er all money to live off even with a full grant.....I would have loved to have had 10 grand a year to play with. Of course there are those who have families and relocation to deal with, but that's just the way of the world - the big bucks don't roll in until you qualify.
By the way, we only got 8ish percent over 3 years - count yourselves lucky! BUPA cover? closest we would get is a free elastoplast.
4 years spent at uni, Bu**er all money to live off even with a full grant.....I would have loved to have had 10 grand a year to play with. Of course there are those who have families and relocation to deal with, but that's just the way of the world - the big bucks don't roll in until you qualify.
By the way, we only got 8ish percent over 3 years - count yourselves lucky! BUPA cover? closest we would get is a free elastoplast.
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Unfortunately the pay deal is accepted so for those of you who haven't started yet, I feel sorry for you, but £10k it is - there is nothing you can do about that now. I believe the "tax efficient" method is to pay £6k as basic pay and the extra £4k as "accomodation allowances" which will be given tax-free, but don't quote me on that.
To give an alternate perspective on this though, as we tend to compare pay with that of pilots, how many pilots receive pay during their training thats a tempting offer just to start? And of those that do offer some subsidies, how many DON'T reclaim some of the training fee after qualification for the next 5 years?
My personal thoughts are that we have just shafted ourselves voting this in, but I now have to live and work with it, I'm sure for any new cadets - if there's a will there's always a way.
To give an alternate perspective on this though, as we tend to compare pay with that of pilots, how many pilots receive pay during their training thats a tempting offer just to start? And of those that do offer some subsidies, how many DON'T reclaim some of the training fee after qualification for the next 5 years?
My personal thoughts are that we have just shafted ourselves voting this in, but I now have to live and work with it, I'm sure for any new cadets - if there's a will there's always a way.