Heathrow Runway Questions???
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Quick Question on the topic - have been at LHR early morning in the Pink Elephant car park for an early T1 dept. I noticed that aircraft that morning (far eastern arrivals, etc.) were landing on both runways - is this standard early am practice?
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Yes Jordan, it's pretty much standard
Normally at 0600 when the curfew is lifted and there is sufficient holding delay, both runways are utilised. Forgive my memory here, but if I remember correctly, if there is 10 minutes holding delay at 0600, both runways are available. If at 0630 there is still a 5 minute delay, both runways are still available, in an attempt to have minimal delay at 0700. Ideally the T4 stuff goes on the south runway.
Normally at 0600 when the curfew is lifted and there is sufficient holding delay, both runways are utilised. Forgive my memory here, but if I remember correctly, if there is 10 minutes holding delay at 0600, both runways are available. If at 0630 there is still a 5 minute delay, both runways are still available, in an attempt to have minimal delay at 0700. Ideally the T4 stuff goes on the south runway.
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Lately there have been a lot more 09L departures post 21:30, guess there is WIP on 09R and its associated taxiways.
I'm about 4miles out, but a 747 roaring over at around 1000ft around midnight is an interesting experience.
I remember a few years ago that one weekend the T5 programme needed to have a large crane up which prevented 09L landings. The lack of turn off, as pointed out by Heathrow Director, meant delays serious built up and there were quite a few go around as crews missed their exits. A certain white pointy aircraft got itself a little short on fuel that night when someone got lost on the runway
I'm about 4miles out, but a 747 roaring over at around 1000ft around midnight is an interesting experience.
I remember a few years ago that one weekend the T5 programme needed to have a large crane up which prevented 09L landings. The lack of turn off, as pointed out by Heathrow Director, meant delays serious built up and there were quite a few go around as crews missed their exits. A certain white pointy aircraft got itself a little short on fuel that night when someone got lost on the runway
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Priority for Concorde on LHR rways.
Slightly off topic, but related to the way that LHR swaps the runways.
I recall once departing on 27L, it was in winter and dark so perhaps around 5 or 6pm.
We were in a queue to depart, a local flight to MAN so had taxied from T1 and I had an F seat so could see down the larger part of the runway.
But then came a slight delay. The reason given for our delay by the captain was that Concorde was inbound and that those on the right would get to see her land, those on the left would see her taxi.
Sure enough in she came on what would be 09R for her. Then the queue started to move again and 27L became a departure runway once more.
My question is: did Concorde usually get special privileges - in order to expedite landing and get to T4 asap? Or was this an unusual occurance?
Another point - I was delayed by almost 2hrs tonight departing to MAN (again!) after the deluge around 1600hrs. As we taxied past T5 to 09R it did make me wonder just how much more congestion will T5 bring on days like today!!! Big thumbs up to the BMI crew - from 09R line up to touch down at MAN in less than 31 minutes - way to go!
I recall once departing on 27L, it was in winter and dark so perhaps around 5 or 6pm.
We were in a queue to depart, a local flight to MAN so had taxied from T1 and I had an F seat so could see down the larger part of the runway.
But then came a slight delay. The reason given for our delay by the captain was that Concorde was inbound and that those on the right would get to see her land, those on the left would see her taxi.
Sure enough in she came on what would be 09R for her. Then the queue started to move again and 27L became a departure runway once more.
My question is: did Concorde usually get special privileges - in order to expedite landing and get to T4 asap? Or was this an unusual occurance?
Another point - I was delayed by almost 2hrs tonight departing to MAN (again!) after the deluge around 1600hrs. As we taxied past T5 to 09R it did make me wonder just how much more congestion will T5 bring on days like today!!! Big thumbs up to the BMI crew - from 09R line up to touch down at MAN in less than 31 minutes - way to go!
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That was probably the occasion when the Concorde from New York or Washington was on course to beat its previous record time for the flight to Heathrow and was given 09R to expedite its arrival despite the fact that we were on westerly operations. My recollection is that the record was broken but can't remember the achieved time.
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Big thumbs up to the BMI crew - from 09R line up to touch down at MAN in less than 31 minutes - way to go!
London and Manchester Air Traffic are the ones to thank. better than blaming delays on ATC. It's airlines all wanting to go somewhere at the same time that causes delay, not ATC!
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That was probably the occasion when the Concorde from New York or Washington was on course to beat its previous record time for the flight to Heathrow and was given 09R to expedite its arrival despite the fact that we were on westerly operations. My recollection is that the record was broken but can't remember the achieved time.
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Hi all,
If you ever need to check what rotation the runways are using, you can visit http://www.londonaviation.co.uk/lhrrunways.htm
Hope this is helpful to someone!
Regards,
Simon Nicholls
If you ever need to check what rotation the runways are using, you can visit http://www.londonaviation.co.uk/lhrrunways.htm
Hope this is helpful to someone!
Regards,
Simon Nicholls
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Vectorline - I stand corrected. Big up to ATC then. It was refreshing to make such good time after the delays due to the thunderstorms. Usually LHR->MAN is around the 35 mins on a good day.
On the Concorde landing - this will have occurred probably around November 2002 IIRC.
On the Concorde landing - this will have occurred probably around November 2002 IIRC.
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Normally at 0600 when the curfew is lifted and there is sufficient holding delay, both runways are utilised. Forgive my memory here, but if I remember correctly, if there is 10 minutes holding delay at 0600, both runways are available. If at 0630 there is still a 5 minute delay, both runways are still available, in an attempt to have minimal delay at 0700. Ideally the T4 stuff goes on the south runway.
Can you team during the day as well as early morning? What are the criteria to start teaming?
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See, now I always thought TEAMing was something that was done during the day when the good old delay went in excess of 20 minutes and it was decreed that 6 arrivals per hour could be landed on the departure runway.
Standing by to cop crap about my ****e memory.
Standing by to cop crap about my ****e memory.
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Jer,
Things have moved on a bit since you were here!
As part of 'enhanced TEAM', the 20 minutes delay can be made up of any holding delay in the stacks plus any delay the aircraft picked up in the form of a slot a tthe depature airfield.
Things have moved on a bit since you were here!
As part of 'enhanced TEAM', the 20 minutes delay can be made up of any holding delay in the stacks plus any delay the aircraft picked up in the form of a slot a tthe depature airfield.
