South African ATC Terms and Endearment (Merged)
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What's up in S.A ATC ?
Anyone out there ?
Rumour has it controller got sacked for something that happend at Jo'burg ......are there still any controllers left ? Heard you losing average of 1 controller every 2 months ?
Same old ,same old in the office ?
Rumour has it controller got sacked for something that happend at Jo'burg ......are there still any controllers left ? Heard you losing average of 1 controller every 2 months ?
Same old ,same old in the office ?
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I have reason to believe that most of the SA controllers ended up back at ATNS when the company finally had its arse up against a wall and realised that to get decent help they had to increase the pay which they did, so all the happy little kaffas went back to J'oburg.
So I assume that they still have plenty of ATC at this point in time, unless some have managed to immigrate to Canada or Oz
bye for now
I have reason to believe that most of the SA controllers ended up back at ATNS when the company finally had its arse up against a wall and realised that to get decent help they had to increase the pay which they did, so all the happy little kaffas went back to J'oburg.
So I assume that they still have plenty of ATC at this point in time, unless some have managed to immigrate to Canada or Oz
bye for now
Yea we are still losing plenty ATC's to the land of the sand esp.
It is about 1 or 2 every month, basically as a student goes solo someone resigns.
and yes there was a sacking here of an ATC due to a disciplinary issue.
It is about 1 or 2 every month, basically as a student goes solo someone resigns.
and yes there was a sacking here of an ATC due to a disciplinary issue.
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Hi to PMS , Little one and Radar Pete,
Now, now, Radar Pete ,not so fast things have been real s
t in Jo 'burg for a while, so give PMS some place to speak "her "mind.Do Agree about the getting out of the stone age part the K ... a bit uncalled for.
A Pay increase ........at ATNS ...... to keep staff, well what happend there, I thought it was still the same old storie in the
office ?
AAAhhh the land of sand, heard things over there looks a lot better these days, for one the FUEL price ! What do guys from Sandton and Pretoria budget for fuel now ? Is the price really R 6-05 / lt .
I hear the pitter patter of little feet to other parts of the world too.
What ever happend to all the International controllers From Sweden and Canada and Switzerland, heard you had some "communist and others also working there.
Had to check twice on the RT if we where in the right country a lot less now .Why ?
Keep up the good work Little one .......
03L please.
Now, now, Radar Pete ,not so fast things have been real s
t in Jo 'burg for a while, so give PMS some place to speak "her "mind.Do Agree about the getting out of the stone age part the K ... a bit uncalled for.A Pay increase ........at ATNS ...... to keep staff, well what happend there, I thought it was still the same old storie in the
office ?
AAAhhh the land of sand, heard things over there looks a lot better these days, for one the FUEL price ! What do guys from Sandton and Pretoria budget for fuel now ? Is the price really R 6-05 / lt .
I hear the pitter patter of little feet to other parts of the world too.
What ever happend to all the International controllers From Sweden and Canada and Switzerland, heard you had some "communist and others also working there.
Had to check twice on the RT if we where in the right country a lot less now .Why ?
Keep up the good work Little one .......
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Hey there DCT no speed, sounds like the old nashua 1 alpha arrival?
No problem with the speak the mind bit but my gripe is purely about the K thang. Surely we can move past cr@p like that?
Wish some of the pitter patter would come over to the Abu Dhabi sand pit. Dubai has over the recent months had an influx of APP ATC's but nothing for the ACC guys.
It's a pity that the guys have to leave there homes to get a decent deal, when are ATNS going to wake up and realise the cost of training will exceed the cost of retention? Great bunch of guys left in SA, all with great talent.
No problem with the speak the mind bit but my gripe is purely about the K thang. Surely we can move past cr@p like that?
Wish some of the pitter patter would come over to the Abu Dhabi sand pit. Dubai has over the recent months had an influx of APP ATC's but nothing for the ACC guys.
It's a pity that the guys have to leave there homes to get a decent deal, when are ATNS going to wake up and realise the cost of training will exceed the cost of retention? Great bunch of guys left in SA, all with great talent.
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There were never any Swedes. The Danes all left and so did the one Swiss and the one Canadian. I believe that two of the Macedonians have also resigned and are moving to Switzerland. Joburg is not the only place losing ATCs at the moment. Now its the turn of the outstations like Wonderboom and Lanseria who are losing guys to the sandpit.
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OK OK 
I will retract the K... remark, sorry it s that time of the month.
But the rest still stands, so what happened to all the Sth Africans who left AUH ACC, have they all ended up back on J'burg sectors with more money or not??
Why is it that men never seem to want to answer easy questions!!
rgds
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I will retract the K... remark, sorry it s that time of the month.
But the rest still stands, so what happened to all the Sth Africans who left AUH ACC, have they all ended up back on J'burg sectors with more money or not??
Why is it that men never seem to want to answer easy questions!!
rgds
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Thanks PMS.
If memory serves me well, in the last 2 yrs, 6 left here. 2 are out of ATC altogether and 4 are at FAJS, of the 4, one is trying to get to a coastal station (could be there already) and one is at the college. One would have to entice them to scrawl their writings on this board for better info.
From what I hear, the salaries are pretty good at FAJS. What has happened is that in the years of losing the JS ATC's, ATNS failed to look after the rest who are now fed up and leaving. The last arrived in the metropolis of Ras Al Khaimah not to long ago.
If memory serves me well, in the last 2 yrs, 6 left here. 2 are out of ATC altogether and 4 are at FAJS, of the 4, one is trying to get to a coastal station (could be there already) and one is at the college. One would have to entice them to scrawl their writings on this board for better info.
From what I hear, the salaries are pretty good at FAJS. What has happened is that in the years of losing the JS ATC's, ATNS failed to look after the rest who are now fed up and leaving. The last arrived in the metropolis of Ras Al Khaimah not to long ago.
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Welcome back, now work !
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Well if the salaries at Jo,burg are so great why is 1 out of 4 already trying to get out and go Sea side or did the Cape "Moaniance" also get a pay rise-----do they still have the "mountaaaaain" that is much more difficult to control planes around than the weather up in Jo'burg?/??/
What is the Central place ........is that Grand Central or Central Station or Central Prison ?
I agree with Radar Pete great guys down there , Ok Great girls too PMS. You guys look after us well !!!!!!
Pete keep fishing mate ? Could also be Dct JN Vis on request
Let's get a reply from the happy masses. Is the Poison dwarf still in the mix ?
Got to Go, got Dct no Speeds
Well if the salaries at Jo,burg are so great why is 1 out of 4 already trying to get out and go Sea side or did the Cape "Moaniance" also get a pay rise-----do they still have the "mountaaaaain" that is much more difficult to control planes around than the weather up in Jo'burg?/??/
What is the Central place ........is that Grand Central or Central Station or Central Prison ?
I agree with Radar Pete great guys down there , Ok Great girls too PMS. You guys look after us well !!!!!!
Pete keep fishing mate ? Could also be Dct JN Vis on request
Let's get a reply from the happy masses. Is the Poison dwarf still in the mix ?
Got to Go, got Dct no Speeds
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Welcome aboard "ducky",now back to work
A source inside the Kremlin revealed ;that Muscat and Doha have come to the Party and are offering Villas, and between 25 000 and 32 000 Aed per month.( Anyone have the facts ? Radar Pete need your help on this one )
Is there live after ATNS and SERCO ?
Let us know.
Dct no speed
Is there live after ATNS and SERCO ?
Let us know.
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No fishing expedition son, the 'Nashua 1 Alpha' arrival is direct JN, high speed and landing on the left.......thought you would know that?
As for Muscat, offer is the equivalent of Dhs 30 000 all incl.
Doha is unconfirmed at Dhs26 000 plus a villa.
Not sure where you get your 1 in 4, but there must be more to it than just money.
DD
The whole VAT and tax issue has much wider ramifications as these are all recommendations from the IMF. The recommendations made are not exclusively for the UAE but aimed at those countries that have no personal income tax system within the GCC. Don't think that the UAE would implement such a system when the neighbours are not, think of the benfit the neighbours would have with an influx of qualified expats. The UAE would not want to risk losing the infrastructure they have. In other words, tax, vat etc would, in all probability, be instituted as a GCC initiative. Don't always believe what you read in the papers, or pprune for that matter.
As for Muscat, offer is the equivalent of Dhs 30 000 all incl.
Doha is unconfirmed at Dhs26 000 plus a villa.
Not sure where you get your 1 in 4, but there must be more to it than just money.
DD
The whole VAT and tax issue has much wider ramifications as these are all recommendations from the IMF. The recommendations made are not exclusively for the UAE but aimed at those countries that have no personal income tax system within the GCC. Don't think that the UAE would implement such a system when the neighbours are not, think of the benfit the neighbours would have with an influx of qualified expats. The UAE would not want to risk losing the infrastructure they have. In other words, tax, vat etc would, in all probability, be instituted as a GCC initiative. Don't always believe what you read in the papers, or pprune for that matter.
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Good on you mate ,a man with true facts and straight answers ! It is therefore clear that you are not in management no scars to show for the frontal labotammy.
True about the Nasua 1 A , very seldom we get it these days seems most of the old boy still M.I.A in Jhb.
Hope you get a couple Boys to come ease the load soon.
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FACT has just lost 2 ACC controllers to the sandpit...
Heard rumours that the middle east is looking for atc's that only need to be aerodrome rated and validated, if that is the case, ATNS can look forward to losing even more ATC's.
Plenty of ATC's in the system waiting for their time to make their move.
ATNS need to seriously do something to retain their highly qualified staff. Whats gonna happen come 2010?
Heard rumours that the middle east is looking for atc's that only need to be aerodrome rated and validated, if that is the case, ATNS can look forward to losing even more ATC's.
Plenty of ATC's in the system waiting for their time to make their move.
ATNS need to seriously do something to retain their highly qualified staff. Whats gonna happen come 2010?
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Just stumbled on to Mr Barnard issue under African Aviation under headline When ATC Mess up or something. It is a while ago now but what is this tossers problem ? Trow me a bone here...
He sounds like the type who don't use full callsigns,don't read back and then gets p if he does not get the left or a vis.
Seems Doha, Muscat and Bahrain are looking !I have a source inside the Kremlin that can confirm this. Check out Serco should they stay or go .
DCT No Speed 03L ?
Just stumbled on to Mr Barnard issue under African Aviation under headline When ATC Mess up or something. It is a while ago now but what is this tossers problem ? Trow me a bone here...
He sounds like the type who don't use full callsigns,don't read back and then gets p
if he does not get the left or a vis.Seems Doha, Muscat and Bahrain are looking !I have a source inside the Kremlin that can confirm this. Check out Serco should they stay or go .
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Not to sure exactly where they went - but definitely somewhere in the desert 
They were Area controllers whilst in FACT but if I am not mistaken they are qualified APP/TWR controllers too.
FACT also had a few controllers return from the middle east, but they were treated unfairly I believe and put on the salary scale similar to those with no experience. Hence they returned to the sandpit
They were Area controllers whilst in FACT but if I am not mistaken they are qualified APP/TWR controllers too.
FACT also had a few controllers return from the middle east, but they were treated unfairly I believe and put on the salary scale similar to those with no experience. Hence they returned to the sandpit
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hey there 126.7. aren't you just a fountain of knowledge. there definitely were 2 swedes. left about 2 years ago back to stockholm. they were here for about 2 years and a pleasure to work with. seems no-one can believe anything you post!
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diving duck..
The 2 are in Abu Dhabi now, having worked FACT area for a short while after a transfer from FAPE where they did it all.. They told me ATNS were refusing to pay them the FACT station allowance 'cos they were working Area E(PE's airspace) - wonder who the brain behind that decision is...!??
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