Training Captain Pay versus ATCO OJTI
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Doesn't that rather make the assumption that we're all out there doing the job just for the love of it? I work because I need the money, and as we are forever being told that air traffic is now a commercial business like any other, I would like to think that specialist skills and work over and above the basics should be rewarded accordingly.
If I employ a plumber to fix my bolier I would expect him to charge me X, if I then ask him to sort my cistern out at the same time I would then expect to pay X + a lot! Is there a difference?
If I employ a plumber to fix my bolier I would expect him to charge me X, if I then ask him to sort my cistern out at the same time I would then expect to pay X + a lot! Is there a difference?
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If I employ a plumber to fix my bolier I would expect him to charge me X, if I then ask him to sort my cistern out at the same time I would then expect to pay X + a lot! Is there a difference?
The plumber will not for ever whinge about having to train an apprentice or expect to be paid lots mor for doing it.
The plumber will not for ever whinge about what would happen to his job if the apprentice mucks up on a boiler repair and people are killed in the explosion 10 days later.
The plumber can be paid more than an ATCO and TRE combined per hour!
There's 3 good ones.
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DFC
The plumber will not for ever whinge about having to train an apprentice or expect to be paid lots mor for doing it.
The plumber will not for ever whinge about what would happen to his job if the apprentice mucks up on a boiler repair and people are killed in the explosion 10 days later.
The plumber can be paid more than an ATCO and TRE combined per hour!
There's 3 good ones.
Regards,
DFC
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I absolutely agree. Taking it from a NATS perspective, as that's the only one I have;
The Red Barron has been banging on about his order book flying overhead everyday and, I paraphrase from a recent open meeting, "The only reason you run a business is to make money"
Air traffic controllers sell their skill to the company for the a salary (and a pretty decent one at that). However, we sell our skill (or lack of it?) as teachers to the company for very little extra. Also, in my opinion, the training we get in OJTI is woefully inadequate.
Maybe it's time to reduce the number of OJTIs. Make the course longer and more in depth. Highly specialised OJTIs, selected for their ability in this task and pay them more for it (ATCO1 at LACC?). It could be considered a 'skill' counting towards minimum unit requirement, so one could drop a sector or T/P.
However,
The plumber probably would. It's still negligence and people die.
as we are forever being told that air traffic is now a commercial business like any other, I would like to think that specialist skills and work over and above the basics should be rewarded accordingly
The Red Barron has been banging on about his order book flying overhead everyday and, I paraphrase from a recent open meeting, "The only reason you run a business is to make money"
Air traffic controllers sell their skill to the company for the a salary (and a pretty decent one at that). However, we sell our skill (or lack of it?) as teachers to the company for very little extra. Also, in my opinion, the training we get in OJTI is woefully inadequate.
Maybe it's time to reduce the number of OJTIs. Make the course longer and more in depth. Highly specialised OJTIs, selected for their ability in this task and pay them more for it (ATCO1 at LACC?). It could be considered a 'skill' counting towards minimum unit requirement, so one could drop a sector or T/P.
However,
The plumber will not appear in court if his apprentice kills people through his ommisions, I might!
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Under the law of Tort (neat pun 
) and vicarious liability, the plumber, as an expert in his field, would definitely be responsible for the (vicarious) actions of his apprentice (trainee).
Tori
) and vicarious liability, the plumber, as an expert in his field, would definitely be responsible for the (vicarious) actions of his apprentice (trainee).Tori
