ATC perks
Oh please,
What about susidised restaurants
Sports facilities
Internet Access
GTS
Membership of a very powerful Union
Not to mention the Pay!
Quick poll of the cars:
2 x Z4s
Volvo V70R
Mitsubishi evo VIII
TVR Chimera
Subaru Impreza
and plenty of other high spec stuff.
Appreciate that matters might not be the same at places like Lulsgate etc...but come on guys and girls. Stop making it out to be hardship.
What about susidised restaurants
Sports facilities
Internet Access
GTS
Membership of a very powerful Union
Not to mention the Pay!
Quick poll of the cars:
2 x Z4s
Volvo V70R
Mitsubishi evo VIII
TVR Chimera
Subaru Impreza
and plenty of other high spec stuff.
Appreciate that matters might not be the same at places like Lulsgate etc...but come on guys and girls. Stop making it out to be hardship.
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Widge,
Is pay "a perk"?
There are managers around the world who think so, granted, but personally I think I earn my pay, everyday I put a headset on.
rgds BEX
Is pay "a perk"?
There are managers around the world who think so, granted, but personally I think I earn my pay, everyday I put a headset on.
rgds BEX
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Agreed, salary is not a perk....it's earned.
As for the cars, unless those Z4's are company paid, they're not a perk. And if they are, can you get me one?
Internet access, you get that in almost any company you would work for. The sports facilities are a perk though.
Pension plan I would classify as a perk. My last 3 places of employment had no plan at all before coming into ATC.
As for the cars, unless those Z4's are company paid, they're not a perk. And if they are, can you get me one?
Internet access, you get that in almost any company you would work for. The sports facilities are a perk though.
Pension plan I would classify as a perk. My last 3 places of employment had no plan at all before coming into ATC.
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For 2 and a half glorious years, we got free Sky satellite TV, unlimited access to all channels.
The airport company signed up to a deal to show Sky news in the terminal buildings, and following some rather clever engineering by certain individuals, we got full access to everything that Mr Murdoch provided.
Sadly, a random computer search by Sky's electronic brain proved to be significantly more efficient than the combined might of their human ones, and we were disconnected forthwith.
On the plus side, we do still get free chilled water....
The airport company signed up to a deal to show Sky news in the terminal buildings, and following some rather clever engineering by certain individuals, we got full access to everything that Mr Murdoch provided.
Sadly, a random computer search by Sky's electronic brain proved to be significantly more efficient than the combined might of their human ones, and we were disconnected forthwith.
On the plus side, we do still get free chilled water....
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Perk = outside award payments
perk
n : an incidental benefit awarded for certain types of employment (especially if it is regarded as a right); "a limousine is one of the fringe benefits of the job"
Therefore we get at work, over and above the award
pay TV
internet
parking
free chilled water
We don't get,
tea coffee biscuits
cheap ID flights like any other remotely aviation related worker does (why does an international freight forwarder need ID. Shouldn't they just be put in the cargo hold to see what it is like!)
I don't however think a perk has any value if it is something I have and pay for at home i.e.
free chilled water
pay TV
internet
and the employer pays FBT on the parking.
Therefore we get no perks of any real benefit. That was the question. Not the total remuneration package. ID flights can therefore only be considered a perk if you were going to go on that holiday regardless, and the net savings are used elsewhere.
Skase Jnr
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n : an incidental benefit awarded for certain types of employment (especially if it is regarded as a right); "a limousine is one of the fringe benefits of the job"
Therefore we get at work, over and above the award
pay TV
internet
parking
free chilled water
We don't get,
tea coffee biscuits
cheap ID flights like any other remotely aviation related worker does (why does an international freight forwarder need ID. Shouldn't they just be put in the cargo hold to see what it is like!)
I don't however think a perk has any value if it is something I have and pay for at home i.e.
free chilled water
pay TV
internet
and the employer pays FBT on the parking.
Therefore we get no perks of any real benefit. That was the question. Not the total remuneration package. ID flights can therefore only be considered a perk if you were going to go on that holiday regardless, and the net savings are used elsewhere.
Skase Jnr
Too good to be true
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Australian Taxation Office
Reportable fringe benefits (TAX)
Car parking fringe benefits
A car parking fringe benefit may arise if an employer provides car parking to an employee and:
there is a commercial car parking station within a one-kilometre radius of where the car is parked, or
that commercial car parking station charges a fee for all day parking that is more than the car parking threshold.
Therefor the employer pays an amount of 48.5c tax on your behalf of the deemed value of parking at work. As we work next to the terminal the daily parking charges are $15 therefore $7 tax is paid to the tax office on a fee that actually is never incured. This is then averaged out over the year for days worked etc.
Great how they can make money out of thin air.
Reportable fringe benefits (TAX)
Car parking fringe benefits
A car parking fringe benefit may arise if an employer provides car parking to an employee and:
there is a commercial car parking station within a one-kilometre radius of where the car is parked, or
that commercial car parking station charges a fee for all day parking that is more than the car parking threshold.
Therefor the employer pays an amount of 48.5c tax on your behalf of the deemed value of parking at work. As we work next to the terminal the daily parking charges are $15 therefore $7 tax is paid to the tax office on a fee that actually is never incured. This is then averaged out over the year for days worked etc.
Great how they can make money out of thin air.
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If you look at how much time some of the ATC staff spend on here, and the prolific number of posts they can make, it seems to me like ATC must have a huge amount of time off.
Sounds like a good perk to me.
They do a fantastic job tho, and us pilots would have a much harder job without them.
Sounds like a good perk to me.
They do a fantastic job tho, and us pilots would have a much harder job without them.
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Up here, we all enjoy the pleasure, nay the privelige, of working as part of a highly-dedicated, motivated, and committed team of professionals. Every day is a perk in itself.
Nurse, is it time for my medicine yet? I feel a headache coming on....
Nurse, is it time for my medicine yet? I feel a headache coming on....
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Let's put it out there on the table! Most ATCOs' would like to think that they are part of the airline/aviation industry. The perk that everyone envies is the travel discounts that come with being part of the industry. If you work for a freight forwarder or a travel agent the airlines value your contribution to their wealth and reward you with cheap seats and upgrades. Quite right. (Please don't bore me with tales of how difficult it is to get on flights with a discounted ticket, been there, done that.)
Trouble is that airlines don't think that ATCOs are part of the airline industry. We are in fact a particular form of troublesome public servant whose only use is as someone to blame on the trip report or over the PA when the promised arrival time doesn't eventuate. (Needless to say when the flight is early that is entirely due to the efficiency of the airline, freight forwarders, travel agents, etc)
I can't see how that can ever be rectified until ATCOs make it quite obvious that airline A got priority because controller B had a very nice ID95 trip to Ibeza thanks very much. Other offers are welcome! Graft and corruption? Nonsense, that's what makes the commercial world go around. Very few of us work for a government anymore.
Trouble is that airlines don't think that ATCOs are part of the airline industry. We are in fact a particular form of troublesome public servant whose only use is as someone to blame on the trip report or over the PA when the promised arrival time doesn't eventuate. (Needless to say when the flight is early that is entirely due to the efficiency of the airline, freight forwarders, travel agents, etc)
I can't see how that can ever be rectified until ATCOs make it quite obvious that airline A got priority because controller B had a very nice ID95 trip to Ibeza thanks very much. Other offers are welcome! Graft and corruption? Nonsense, that's what makes the commercial world go around. Very few of us work for a government anymore.
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When we in Oz had a stop work meeting, some travel agent at IATA decided that we were a drain on aviation as a whole and withdrew all our entitlements. I like it when things like that happen. So short sighted. I got my moneys worth.
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Some airlines do appreciate us, remember Danair?
Not long after their demise, a Speedbird came on our freq, "Chug a lug ....", answer "Roger, .....(standard routing)" "Oh, I thought chug a lug was the password for a direct routing" "Sorry sir, that password is free ticket."
Not long after their demise, a Speedbird came on our freq, "Chug a lug ....", answer "Roger, .....(standard routing)" "Oh, I thought chug a lug was the password for a direct routing" "Sorry sir, that password is free ticket."
I can't see how that can ever be rectified until ATCOs make it quite obvious that airline A got priority because controller B had a very nice ID95 trip to Ibeza thanks very much.
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It depends what you call a perk! Short answer is "no".
Controllers are treated like some weird lifeform that nobody quite knows what to do with.....sure we are reasonably paid, but that's about it.
I've been controlling for 30 years and have never been on a jumbo, or flown long haul, or had any kind of free or discounted ticket anywhere. I controlled concorde for most of its working life and never got above 85 on the waiting list.
The only perk used to be what most intelligent people would consider to be a form of continuation training and awareness....namely fam flights, and liaison visits to relevant ATC units.....these were stopped, and now one has to make a begging case or scratch around for one of the grubby unofficial schemes.....all this being on days-off......however there is no shortage of funds and time-off for management courses.
My daughter is at this moment on the 283 to LA on a full price ticket paid for by me.....and if she doesn't get a blanket, No Big Airline plane will ever get a short cut ever again.
P.S. got a watch after 25 years, and promise not to tell, but still have threadbare canvas bag issued by mistake in 1982.
Controllers are treated like some weird lifeform that nobody quite knows what to do with.....sure we are reasonably paid, but that's about it.
I've been controlling for 30 years and have never been on a jumbo, or flown long haul, or had any kind of free or discounted ticket anywhere. I controlled concorde for most of its working life and never got above 85 on the waiting list.
The only perk used to be what most intelligent people would consider to be a form of continuation training and awareness....namely fam flights, and liaison visits to relevant ATC units.....these were stopped, and now one has to make a begging case or scratch around for one of the grubby unofficial schemes.....all this being on days-off......however there is no shortage of funds and time-off for management courses.
My daughter is at this moment on the 283 to LA on a full price ticket paid for by me.....and if she doesn't get a blanket, No Big Airline plane will ever get a short cut ever again.
P.S. got a watch after 25 years, and promise not to tell, but still have threadbare canvas bag issued by mistake in 1982.