Heavy UK Restrictions Today
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Joined: Aug 1999
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From: UK
Hmm ! OK - could you have applied any more than these ??
Valid on 26 Jul 2001 (released on 26 Jul 2001 at 13:15:00)Nr. FMP / Traffic Volume Description Flight Level From Until Regulation ID
85 EGCCFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 05:02)
SECTOR 29 195 275 05:40 07:00 EG29G26
Reason : Capacity
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137 EGCCFMP new (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 10:11)
SECTOR 29 195 275 11:20 14:00 EG29G26A
Reason : Capacity
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106 EGPXFMP new (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 05:22)
EGPX TALLA SCTR -250 06:00 08:00 EGTLA26
Reason : Capacity
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133 EGPXFMP changed (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 09:50)
TALLA FALLBACK -250 13:00 16:00 EGTLA26A
Reason : Capacity
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16 EGTCFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 10:31)
DEST EGLL VIA LAM ALL 07:20 12:00 EGLBN26
Reason : Military Exercise
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17 EGTTFMP changed (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 12:15)
SCTR 11 ALL 06:30 14:00 EG11G26
Reason : Capacity
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18 EGTTFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 10:59)
13 SCTR 245+ 07:20 12:00 EG13G26
Reason : Military Exercise
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19 EGTTFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 10:59)
SCTR 14G -240 07:20 12:00 EG14G26
Reason : Military Exercise
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20 EGTTFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 04:42)
LKS SCTR 275+ 06:00 10:00 EGLKS26
Reason : Capacity
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91 EGTTFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 07:22)
LONDON BRECON SECTOR ALL 05:40 08:00 EG05G26
Reason : Capacity
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95 EGTTFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 05:02)
LONDON DOVER LOW -210 07:10 08:40 EG15G26
Reason : Military Exercise
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96 EGTTFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 05:02)
LONDON DOVER HI 220 290 06:20 08:40 EG16G26
Reason : Capacity
MIL.ACTIVITY FROM 0710
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99 EGTTFMP new (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 04:42)
LONDON HRN SECTOR20 105+ 05:40 08:20 EG20G26
Reason : Capacity
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111 EGTTFMP new (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 05:37)
SECTOR 10 ALL 08:00 11:00 EG10G26
Reason : Capacity
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113 EGTTFMP changed (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 09:50)
LKS SCTR 275+ 08:00 21:00 EGLKS26M
Reason : Capacity
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116 EGTTFMP changed (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 09:01)
BHD + LND SECTORS (6+9) COMB. ALL 07:00 13:00 EGBLE26
Reason : Staff Shortage
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119 EGTTFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 08:42)
STRUMBLE/BRECON ALL 06:45 10:00 EGSTB26
Reason : Staff Shortage
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124 EGTTFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 10:59)
LONDON UPPER EAST 305+ 08:40 12:00 EG02G26
Reason : Capacity
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127 EGTTFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 09:21)
LONDON BRECON SECTOR ALL 11:20 13:20 EG05G26M
Reason : Capacity
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128 EGTTFMP changed (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 13:15)
DAVENTRY NORTH SECT 200+ 09:40 18:00 EGDTN26
Reason : Staff Shortage
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132 EGTTFMP new (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 09:01)
WIRRAL SECTOR 7 245+ 09:40 11:54 EG07G26
Reason : Capacity
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135 EGTTFMP new (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 09:50)
HRN SCTRS 19+20+21 ALL 11:20 15:00 EGHRJ26
Reason : Capacity
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138 EGTTFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 12:38)
BERRY HEAD SECTOR ALL 12:40 14:20 EG06G26
Reason : Capacity
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141 EGTTFMP new (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 10:59)
STRUMBLE SECTOR ALL 12:40 14:20 EGSTU26A
Reason : Capacity
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155 EGTTFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 12:56)
SCTR 14G -240 15:00 19:00 EG14G26A
Reason : Capacity
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160 EGTTFMP new (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 13:15)
DEST EGKK/LC VIA S14 -240 15:00 19:00 EG14K26
Reason : Capacity
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161 EGTTFMP new (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 13:15)
SCTR 14 DEST EGSS/GW -245 15:40 18:40 EG14S26
Reason : Capacity
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84 EGTTFMP1 new (Rel: Wed 25 Jul 2001 23:44)
57N+NTH VIA TOPPA ALL 08:00 15:00 ELDIN26
Reason : Routeing
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101 EGTTFMP1 new (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 05:02)
15G-FR MIL EX RATUK -210 07:10 08:40 CB1526
Reason : Military Exercise
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102 EGTTFMP1 cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 07:22)
16G-FR MIL EX RATUK 220 290 07:10 08:40 CB1626
Reason : Military Exercise
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By the way, thanks to the boys and girls at Lon Mil and FMP for our non-regular routeing to INV earlier this afternoon.
If any one knows where I can buy a magic wand to erase all these restrictions - please let me know !
Seriously for a second - any sign of these staff shortages ending ? ( my anadin supply is running low ! )
Valid on 26 Jul 2001 (released on 26 Jul 2001 at 13:15:00)Nr. FMP / Traffic Volume Description Flight Level From Until Regulation ID
85 EGCCFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 05:02)
SECTOR 29 195 275 05:40 07:00 EG29G26
Reason : Capacity
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137 EGCCFMP new (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 10:11)
SECTOR 29 195 275 11:20 14:00 EG29G26A
Reason : Capacity
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106 EGPXFMP new (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 05:22)
EGPX TALLA SCTR -250 06:00 08:00 EGTLA26
Reason : Capacity
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133 EGPXFMP changed (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 09:50)
TALLA FALLBACK -250 13:00 16:00 EGTLA26A
Reason : Capacity
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16 EGTCFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 10:31)
DEST EGLL VIA LAM ALL 07:20 12:00 EGLBN26
Reason : Military Exercise
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17 EGTTFMP changed (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 12:15)
SCTR 11 ALL 06:30 14:00 EG11G26
Reason : Capacity
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18 EGTTFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 10:59)
13 SCTR 245+ 07:20 12:00 EG13G26
Reason : Military Exercise
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19 EGTTFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 10:59)
SCTR 14G -240 07:20 12:00 EG14G26
Reason : Military Exercise
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20 EGTTFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 04:42)
LKS SCTR 275+ 06:00 10:00 EGLKS26
Reason : Capacity
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91 EGTTFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 07:22)
LONDON BRECON SECTOR ALL 05:40 08:00 EG05G26
Reason : Capacity
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95 EGTTFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 05:02)
LONDON DOVER LOW -210 07:10 08:40 EG15G26
Reason : Military Exercise
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96 EGTTFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 05:02)
LONDON DOVER HI 220 290 06:20 08:40 EG16G26
Reason : Capacity
MIL.ACTIVITY FROM 0710
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99 EGTTFMP new (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 04:42)
LONDON HRN SECTOR20 105+ 05:40 08:20 EG20G26
Reason : Capacity
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111 EGTTFMP new (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 05:37)
SECTOR 10 ALL 08:00 11:00 EG10G26
Reason : Capacity
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113 EGTTFMP changed (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 09:50)
LKS SCTR 275+ 08:00 21:00 EGLKS26M
Reason : Capacity
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116 EGTTFMP changed (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 09:01)
BHD + LND SECTORS (6+9) COMB. ALL 07:00 13:00 EGBLE26
Reason : Staff Shortage
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119 EGTTFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 08:42)
STRUMBLE/BRECON ALL 06:45 10:00 EGSTB26
Reason : Staff Shortage
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124 EGTTFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 10:59)
LONDON UPPER EAST 305+ 08:40 12:00 EG02G26
Reason : Capacity
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127 EGTTFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 09:21)
LONDON BRECON SECTOR ALL 11:20 13:20 EG05G26M
Reason : Capacity
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128 EGTTFMP changed (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 13:15)
DAVENTRY NORTH SECT 200+ 09:40 18:00 EGDTN26
Reason : Staff Shortage
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132 EGTTFMP new (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 09:01)
WIRRAL SECTOR 7 245+ 09:40 11:54 EG07G26
Reason : Capacity
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135 EGTTFMP new (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 09:50)
HRN SCTRS 19+20+21 ALL 11:20 15:00 EGHRJ26
Reason : Capacity
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138 EGTTFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 12:38)
BERRY HEAD SECTOR ALL 12:40 14:20 EG06G26
Reason : Capacity
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141 EGTTFMP new (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 10:59)
STRUMBLE SECTOR ALL 12:40 14:20 EGSTU26A
Reason : Capacity
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155 EGTTFMP cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 12:56)
SCTR 14G -240 15:00 19:00 EG14G26A
Reason : Capacity
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160 EGTTFMP new (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 13:15)
DEST EGKK/LC VIA S14 -240 15:00 19:00 EG14K26
Reason : Capacity
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161 EGTTFMP new (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 13:15)
SCTR 14 DEST EGSS/GW -245 15:40 18:40 EG14S26
Reason : Capacity
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84 EGTTFMP1 new (Rel: Wed 25 Jul 2001 23:44)
57N+NTH VIA TOPPA ALL 08:00 15:00 ELDIN26
Reason : Routeing
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101 EGTTFMP1 new (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 05:02)
15G-FR MIL EX RATUK -210 07:10 08:40 CB1526
Reason : Military Exercise
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102 EGTTFMP1 cancel (Rel: Thu 26 Jul 2001 07:22)
16G-FR MIL EX RATUK 220 290 07:10 08:40 CB1626
Reason : Military Exercise
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By the way, thanks to the boys and girls at Lon Mil and FMP for our non-regular routeing to INV earlier this afternoon.
If any one knows where I can buy a magic wand to erase all these restrictions - please let me know !
Seriously for a second - any sign of these staff shortages ending ? ( my anadin supply is running low ! )
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 12
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From: A Tower
I read it in airspace too. By golly how good nats management are, to run a company with too many staff and all they do is complain all the time. They must really be worth the bonus payments, the management that is!
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
From: south coast Bournemouth Area
Hi Guys
Well here at the college we are pumping them out as fast as we can
but i hear the problem is the same old stuff
hours, and this NERC training is going to be the death of us
check the Fatigue set of recent messages for details
good luck to get clearance
MM
Well here at the college we are pumping them out as fast as we can
but i hear the problem is the same old stuff
hours, and this NERC training is going to be the death of us
check the Fatigue set of recent messages for details
good luck to get clearance
MM
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 856
Likes: 0
From: I sell sea shells by the sea shore
Well, I can shed some light on a couple of the restrictions:
95/96/101/102 were all to do with the BIG French danger area CBA1, south of G/UG1. When it is ACTIVE and Restricted, G1/UG1 suddenly shrinks to 5 miles wide to provide an (optomistic sometimes) buffer between the French Mil and Civil Traffic en-route KONAN-KOKSY. Since we require a minimum spacing of 5nm for parallel headings, and the aim is to stay 2 miles from the edge of the airway, all the poor controller is left with is good old procedural vertical separation. This means lots of R/T, lots of stepped climbs and lots of frustration all round.
As for the staff shortages. Offical word still says we don't have a staff shortage. NATS management seem to have some sort of aversion to admitting this, perhaps due the fact they told Gwyneth Dunwoody a while ago there was "no problem" and one of them is going to have to go back in front of the Formidable One and tell the truth. Not gonna be pleasant is it? Maybe they though they were off the rack when she nearly departed, but guess what? She's BACK! Arnie, eat your heart out
Oh, when is the non-staff shortage going to ease? Not soon.
Rgds BEX
95/96/101/102 were all to do with the BIG French danger area CBA1, south of G/UG1. When it is ACTIVE and Restricted, G1/UG1 suddenly shrinks to 5 miles wide to provide an (optomistic sometimes) buffer between the French Mil and Civil Traffic en-route KONAN-KOKSY. Since we require a minimum spacing of 5nm for parallel headings, and the aim is to stay 2 miles from the edge of the airway, all the poor controller is left with is good old procedural vertical separation. This means lots of R/T, lots of stepped climbs and lots of frustration all round.
As for the staff shortages. Offical word still says we don't have a staff shortage. NATS management seem to have some sort of aversion to admitting this, perhaps due the fact they told Gwyneth Dunwoody a while ago there was "no problem" and one of them is going to have to go back in front of the Formidable One and tell the truth. Not gonna be pleasant is it? Maybe they though they were off the rack when she nearly departed, but guess what? She's BACK! Arnie, eat your heart out
Oh, when is the non-staff shortage going to ease? Not soon.
Rgds BEX
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
From: UK
ghost-rider, and all other genuinely concerned pilots......
I'm afraid Bex is right. The staff shortage is only going to get worse, not better, even with the hard work of our colleagues at the ATC College in Bournmemouth.
The main reason IS, you see............the retirement bulge is JUST about to happen. And there are a LOT who are going to retire early.........
And one of the reasons is because they are FED UP TO THE BACK TEETH WITH NATS MANAGEMENT.....(and tired of being treated like third class citizens by the aforementioned)
I'm afraid Bex is right. The staff shortage is only going to get worse, not better, even with the hard work of our colleagues at the ATC College in Bournmemouth.
The main reason IS, you see............the retirement bulge is JUST about to happen. And there are a LOT who are going to retire early.........
And one of the reasons is because they are FED UP TO THE BACK TEETH WITH NATS MANAGEMENT.....(and tired of being treated like third class citizens by the aforementioned)





