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OK, so may have heard it before, but I need to ask. Why do controllrs say ".... on the go-around maintain runway heading" when you actually meen runway track or centre line? If there was a strong X-wind and we were to do as asked we would end up doing an unwanted X-country.
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Try here !!
http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/For...ML/000552.html
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For what it's worth, US usage of the term is now made explicit in the Pilot/Controller glossary:
It's clear from the above that it does not mean the same as "climb straight ahead". Controllers choose your words carefully; pilots listen carefully!
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">RUNWAY HEADING- The magnetic direction that corresponds with the runway centerline extended, not the painted runway number. When cleared to "fly or maintain runway heading," pilots are expected to fly or maintain the heading that corresponds with the extended centerline of the departure runway. Drift correction shall not be applied; e.g., Runway 4, actual magnetic heading of the runway centerline 044, fly 044.</font>
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Yes you're correct.
The standard phraseology for an instruction to a pilot to track the runway centreline after departure is "climb straight ahead".
This was changed in MATS Part 1 a couple of years ago.
The only time that "heading" is used is with the appropriate number of degrees e.g. "after departure fly heading 090".
The term "climb runway heading" or "after departure maintain runway heading" is now obsolete. For a go-around the correct phraseology is "on the go-around fly heading xxx".
Yep I am a tower and approach radar controller!
[This message has been edited by PPIMan (edited 05 June 2001).]
The standard phraseology for an instruction to a pilot to track the runway centreline after departure is "climb straight ahead".
This was changed in MATS Part 1 a couple of years ago.
The only time that "heading" is used is with the appropriate number of degrees e.g. "after departure fly heading 090".
The term "climb runway heading" or "after departure maintain runway heading" is now obsolete. For a go-around the correct phraseology is "on the go-around fly heading xxx".
Yep I am a tower and approach radar controller!
[This message has been edited by PPIMan (edited 05 June 2001).]
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Guys,
In the UK it may have been changed. Generally speaking headings (not tracks) are used by the controller to maintain separation from other acft in the terminal or other airspace. If the controller has the picture then he would know that there is a crosswind and where that heading should take the acft concerned. A GOOD controller would always specify the heading to fly as a safeguard against a pilot trying to figure out what the controller meant, pilots should fly the plane and obey the instructions given rather than trying to work out what the controller has said or is trying to do. Otherwise, it just makes the job that much harder
In the UK it may have been changed. Generally speaking headings (not tracks) are used by the controller to maintain separation from other acft in the terminal or other airspace. If the controller has the picture then he would know that there is a crosswind and where that heading should take the acft concerned. A GOOD controller would always specify the heading to fly as a safeguard against a pilot trying to figure out what the controller meant, pilots should fly the plane and obey the instructions given rather than trying to work out what the controller has said or is trying to do. Otherwise, it just makes the job that much harder
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As a tower controller, if i asked an a/c to "climb straight ahead" i would expect the runway track to be flown. If i asked an a/c to fly runway heading, i would expect the pilot to do just that and maintain that heading until otherwise advised.
At the end of the day, regardless of what phraseology we are advised to use, all pilots should realise that the instructions above mean different things and comply accordingly.
At the end of the day, regardless of what phraseology we are advised to use, all pilots should realise that the instructions above mean different things and comply accordingly.
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In OZ maintain runway heading means exactly that - fly the heading corresponding to runway bearing without taking wind effect into account. We have another phrase used in certain circumstances - "maintain runway track" - meaning fly a track of runway bearing by adjusting for wind effect.
Cheers chaps.
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I've seen approaches like this before!
Cheers chaps.
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I've seen approaches like this before!
