Manch. transfer to Scottish
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Why should the personnel at Manchester be any different to other NATS employees who have been forced to move to another part of the country/or a different country against their will?. I have little sympathy with my colleagues at Manchester despite the provocative stance displayed my management.
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So which other NATS staff have, en masse, been forced to completely up sticks and move to another country then?
Allow me to state that personally, I will be going to Scotland as I like my job too much.
Allow me to state that personally, I will be going to Scotland as I like my job too much.
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At some stage in their careers most NATS staff have had to move to another part of the UNITED KINGDOM in furtherance of their careers. There was a time prior to its closure that the only way to move staff from Manchester was with the use of dynamite, now they are submitting motions to conference about the lack of mobility. You have all had a plum posting and high standard of living for a very long time and I have little or no sympathy with your plight.
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Well a number of years ago I was based at Aberdeen. Not a problem you might think but as an Englishman with a English family I found my wife was abused and my children discrimenated against. Even I found it hard to try and be at one with the locals. I have every sympathy with any English controller being posted to Scotland. Hard times ahead. Good luck.
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Whats all this malarky about another country?. We are all part of the United Kingdom. Ayrshire is as rural as parts of Cheshire or Lancashire. Cheshire is nothing like Central and South London where I lived for twenty years. We all moved from West Drayton to Swanwick with all the domestic upheaval and provocation from management that you are experiencing now. The actual location does not matter and the staff at Manchester are using it as a smokescreen. Some of your colleagues do not want to go to another country like Scotland, so they go to Canada!!!! Whats all that about!!!!
In reply to Captain Windsocks experience I was abused for being a Northerner and living in "Sarf London". Thats life!
In reply to Captain Windsocks experience I was abused for being a Northerner and living in "Sarf London". Thats life!
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Strange that those who regard themselves as English rather than British, and who talk about England whether they actually mean England or really mean the United Kingdom, seem to have a harder time adjusting to life in Scotland...
Even in Canada, I get the p*ss taken out of me by English controllers for being Scottish, and they seem to think it's hilarious (here's a newsflash - it isn't). When the shoe is on the other foot, it appears some people can't take it. Face up to facts - a move from Manch to Prestwick is no more of an uprooting than a move to Swaniwck. Your money goes further for housing than in Manch or Cheshire, your kids get into what most people regard as a better education system, there's less crime than in Manchester and you even get live near an airport from where the south of England is an hour's flight away. Oh, the hardship.
Even in Canada, I get the p*ss taken out of me by English controllers for being Scottish, and they seem to think it's hilarious (here's a newsflash - it isn't). When the shoe is on the other foot, it appears some people can't take it. Face up to facts - a move from Manch to Prestwick is no more of an uprooting than a move to Swaniwck. Your money goes further for housing than in Manch or Cheshire, your kids get into what most people regard as a better education system, there's less crime than in Manchester and you even get live near an airport from where the south of England is an hour's flight away. Oh, the hardship.
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Could somebody tell me whether it was always on the cards to have Thames Radar/Special move into TC........who will be moving to the south coast in the not to distant future. Just curious.
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Nice one jerricho!
LACC/TC , here's a plan, we're gonna move you all from Nelson Mandela estate, Trigger and the Nag's Head, to a much nicer location, a mere what...80..85 miles from where you were before, nowhere near the M25 carpark, on the coast, lovely place to bring the kids up, and if the wife doesn't want to move, then its commutable, and if she does the extra banding pay and London weighting will pay towards the small difference in housing costs.
Now then MACC, here's what happens to you....
NO TRANSFERS OUT whatsoever, apart form VNs, but if the VNs for ADC/APC then forget it (even if you are valid, or just need a quick LCE)
No Area people COUNTRYWIDE can do APC courses, but hey, tell ya what, lets get those ADC/APC lads n lasses on some AREA courses, because that's fair.
We'll build a brand new centre for ScACC and MACC 400 yards from the old ScaCC but 6 hours up the motorway from MACC.
Sounds good eh?
Well, those MACC lads and lasses can get nice big houses here for half the cash of Cheshire prices (cos we all live in Cheshire), theres no crime in Glasgow or Scotland is there, (anybody see Shallow Grave??, never mind Trainspotting or Taggart) so thats better for them too.
The educational system is far better up there too lads, and to make it more appealing half the qualifications that were valid in England aren't in Scotland (Law degrees, teachers etc)
Hey and as a sweetener, that £800 a day retraining we paid all the NERC controllers which saw them bank a few quid to soften the blow of the horrendous move, we'll get rid of that as best we can.
As for the poor fella who had the pXss taken out of him for being a northerner in London, I can see how that must have been just as upsetting as the lad whose wife and kids got in the neck in Aberdeen. Genius, a perfect comparision. I'd rather be a northerner in London, than a southerner (almost as commonplace as Australians!)some of my best friends are southerners, i'd say it to their faces!
And we'll also move the Manchester watch pattern around when the move happens, cos we don't to trouble the poor souls already at ScaCC by moving theirs. Don't wanna rock the boat, baby.
My mate at TC says that the best job in NATS is Thames or Luton APC cos they sit there reading their BAND5 pay slips, doing the crosswords, laughing while the others all get battered 24/7 with planes.
That's livin' alright.........I love this company!
...we're on brink of bankruptcy one minute, the next we can afford more plasma TVs than Comet in the CTC (bet no restrooms have one), stupid boarding cards, and an NPC webcam, whatever next? Answers on a postcard.
LACC/TC , here's a plan, we're gonna move you all from Nelson Mandela estate, Trigger and the Nag's Head, to a much nicer location, a mere what...80..85 miles from where you were before, nowhere near the M25 carpark, on the coast, lovely place to bring the kids up, and if the wife doesn't want to move, then its commutable, and if she does the extra banding pay and London weighting will pay towards the small difference in housing costs.
Now then MACC, here's what happens to you....
NO TRANSFERS OUT whatsoever, apart form VNs, but if the VNs for ADC/APC then forget it (even if you are valid, or just need a quick LCE)
No Area people COUNTRYWIDE can do APC courses, but hey, tell ya what, lets get those ADC/APC lads n lasses on some AREA courses, because that's fair.
We'll build a brand new centre for ScACC and MACC 400 yards from the old ScaCC but 6 hours up the motorway from MACC.
Sounds good eh?
Well, those MACC lads and lasses can get nice big houses here for half the cash of Cheshire prices (cos we all live in Cheshire), theres no crime in Glasgow or Scotland is there, (anybody see Shallow Grave??, never mind Trainspotting or Taggart) so thats better for them too.
The educational system is far better up there too lads, and to make it more appealing half the qualifications that were valid in England aren't in Scotland (Law degrees, teachers etc)
Hey and as a sweetener, that £800 a day retraining we paid all the NERC controllers which saw them bank a few quid to soften the blow of the horrendous move, we'll get rid of that as best we can.
As for the poor fella who had the pXss taken out of him for being a northerner in London, I can see how that must have been just as upsetting as the lad whose wife and kids got in the neck in Aberdeen. Genius, a perfect comparision. I'd rather be a northerner in London, than a southerner (almost as commonplace as Australians!)some of my best friends are southerners, i'd say it to their faces!
And we'll also move the Manchester watch pattern around when the move happens, cos we don't to trouble the poor souls already at ScaCC by moving theirs. Don't wanna rock the boat, baby.
My mate at TC says that the best job in NATS is Thames or Luton APC cos they sit there reading their BAND5 pay slips, doing the crosswords, laughing while the others all get battered 24/7 with planes.
That's livin' alright.........I love this company!
...we're on brink of bankruptcy one minute, the next we can afford more plasma TVs than Comet in the CTC (bet no restrooms have one), stupid boarding cards, and an NPC webcam, whatever next? Answers on a postcard.
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For the controllers being forced to move north, whilst badly organised and unpopular, they will be able to cope. The disruption to spouse & kids is horrendous. Talk about straining a relationship! No wonder everyone is considering there options. The same crap happened here in Canada and they're still complaining some 6 years later (and it was only 3 hours away!). People used to slag Serco but it seems NATS are using them as a model to follow!!
By the way where are the union whilst this is happening? Isn't being forced North wholesale a significant change in terms & conditions?
DC10RealMan........your sympathy for your colleagues is truly heart warming, I bet you'll give them a lovely welcome too!!
By the way where are the union whilst this is happening? Isn't being forced North wholesale a significant change in terms & conditions?
DC10RealMan........your sympathy for your colleagues is truly heart warming, I bet you'll give them a lovely welcome too!!
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I seem to remember a watch meeting not a few years ago where a certain manager denied that there were plans to move Thames/SVFR over to TC.
Slightly off topic I know, but was just wondering!
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It will be sad to see Manchester centre close. As one who, many years ago, visited Barton Hall, Preston (Northern ATCC at the time) I lamented its closure but at least it was only a move "down the road" for most folks. When Man SC folds it will be the end of an era..
Bloody good bunch of chaps and I thank you all for the humour and helpfulness over the years. I probably don't know any of you now (Rob Rayner and Harry Shepherd were my vintage) but I wish everyone well..
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Bloody good bunch of chaps and I thank you all for the humour and helpfulness over the years. I probably don't know any of you now (Rob Rayner and Harry Shepherd were my vintage) but I wish everyone well..
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Just to add a few thoughts.... all we at Manchester have ever wanted is for management to take seriously the REAL difficulties that a move to prestwick will have on a number of controllers lives, if we were all single and had no ties then i dont believe the move would hold as many worries for us. I know we all signed on the dotted line to be a mobile grade (otherwise we wouldn't have made it passed the initial interview!!) well if we are truely mobile why wont management even consider any moves to other units within nats for controllers who have a genuine and compeling case not to go to npc?? I can totally understand the advantages of a two centre strategy but the folk up here would be much happier if it appeared that the company were showing the slightest sympathy and made us feel that we are part of the future vision or destinations of NATS. These are all thoughts that must have been felt by many controllers who have faced a forced posting but i really dont see how our plight compares equally with a move from west drayton to swanwick. If you remember the relocation map that was up by the canteen then draw the same semi circle around Prestwick. I know there is some absolutely beautiful countryside in Ayreshire and for some here at Manchester that is a big attraction, but the options for houses, schools, social attractions and job options for partners are severely restricted compared to either Manchester, West Drayton or Swanwick. The overall picture for many is that this move will result in a standard of living considerably less than we have now.(i can just see DC10realman's response in my head already- what with the housing in Wilmslow, Alderley Edge, Cheshire in general being soooo cheap)
to pick up on a few points, the fact that Northerners/Scots have felt victimised down south doesnt mean that it is just deserts if i or my family have to put up with it in the future, racial abuse is completely out of order no matter who is on the receiving end. Also people have questioned why people who dont want to move to prestwick think its ok to go to canada, and the simple answer is that for most area valid controllers this is the only other option available to them and if they have to move why not take a chance a lifetime to move Canada, and who knows the prospect of gaining permission to move on to the usa in a few years. Of those to have already made the move non have so far expressed any regrets, although only one has been through a winter out there!!
At the end of day we are very aware that there is hardly any sympathy (thanks DC10realman-nice to feel part of the same team) throughout nats for us and most here are just getting on with trying to sort their own futures out. Rant over
to pick up on a few points, the fact that Northerners/Scots have felt victimised down south doesnt mean that it is just deserts if i or my family have to put up with it in the future, racial abuse is completely out of order no matter who is on the receiving end. Also people have questioned why people who dont want to move to prestwick think its ok to go to canada, and the simple answer is that for most area valid controllers this is the only other option available to them and if they have to move why not take a chance a lifetime to move Canada, and who knows the prospect of gaining permission to move on to the usa in a few years. Of those to have already made the move non have so far expressed any regrets, although only one has been through a winter out there!!
At the end of day we are very aware that there is hardly any sympathy (thanks DC10realman-nice to feel part of the same team) throughout nats for us and most here are just getting on with trying to sort their own futures out. Rant over
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For Jerircho et al ref Thames / SVFR..
Yep, there probably were certain people running around telling all and sundry "No change Folks, you're staying here!"
This is kinda in the same vein as "Our Air is not for Sale". I'm sure you'll remember just how reassuring that was.
Meanwhile, across the road (M4) the tube was ready and waiting since 1993 (when the 2/4 room opened).
As for the "convienient" flood, yeah I was VERY sceptical too.
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Yep, there probably were certain people running around telling all and sundry "No change Folks, you're staying here!"
This is kinda in the same vein as "Our Air is not for Sale". I'm sure you'll remember just how reassuring that was.
Meanwhile, across the road (M4) the tube was ready and waiting since 1993 (when the 2/4 room opened).
As for the "convienient" flood, yeah I was VERY sceptical too.
Rgds BEX