IPMS ATCO Branch

[2 six 4]

What is happening to IPMS ? I hear that the LATCC AC committee have turned down support for a new Branch Chairman and potentially leave us without one. Who are they proposing to nominate at this critical time?

Why are we not being asked ?

[2 six 4]

Come on folks surely someone knows what is happening. There are at least 30 opinions every morning in the canteen.

[bill]

will a new branch chairman do any better for us at this critical time?

[10W]

Anyone I've spoken to has heard nothing about this. Shouldn't we be told what's going on, assuming there is something ? Better that than speculation and gossip which undoubtedly can do more harm than good. If it's all mischief then at least let the members know.

[bill]

10w: same here, nobody I've spoken to knows either.

[2 six 4]

apparently Graham Clarkson wanted to resign and Billy Rodger was prepared to take over for the next 3 years. The LATCC AC committee refused to back Billy Rodger.

We appear to be stuck because LATCC will not propose an alternative chairman.

[Angry ATCO]

There is nothing under hand about the nomination of Branch Chair and these are a normal part of the democratic process being followed. Members are not consulted as they have already elected representatives (in this case the AC Committee) to vote for them at this level. The AC Committee, rightly or wrongly, have decided that they do not wish to back Billy Roger's nomination.

Billy stated that he would only accept nomination for Chair if he was given the backing of the AC committee to try to heal some of the rifts that exist between that group and the rest of the Branch.

The Branch will not be leaderless as Graham Clarkson is willing to continue in post for the moment.

If you have any views on this matter then instruct your elected reps to speak on this matter at Conference which is where the election of Branch Officers will be held.

[ATCO Too]

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[ATCO Too]

Angry

Yeah I agree. It's fine and dandy debating here but when it comes down to it the LATCC AC committee only have their own interests at heart - they don't give a toss about the rest of us in the Branch.

I heard that a lot of what Billy Rodger was saying made a lot of sense but the committee shat on him for personal reasons.

It's high time that LATCC got rid of them and voted in some reps willing to communicate with the rest of the union. Whats the point of making collective decisions if they're going to ignore the ones THEY don't agree with?

I await the inevitable slagging from LATCC with glee.

[This message has been edited by PPRuNe Radar (edited 04 February 1999).]

[ATCO Too]

Angry et al

Just found out that Paul Winstanley (Chair AC Committee) doesn't even take his seat on the BEC and has one of his minions stand in for him because he can't get along with anyone outside LATCC. Seems he threw his toys out the cot at a previous meeting. Hey, guys, great representation there! But of course - it's everyone else who doesn't understand!! Bollocks.

Shame the LATCC reps and members can't see the problem is their leadership - not that of the Branch. If they would stand alongside the rest of the ATCOs we could be unbeatable. They're just letting management divide and rule.

[Xorpria]

I'm not sure that this is a healthy way to conduct debates which should properly take place at the ADC, apart from anything else it excludes many of the members. I'm sure that the debate is worth having but let's have it in the right forum

[2 six 4]

Oh right. We will wait until Winstanley and his cronies return to tell us how they defended our democratic organisation after the conference. I don't remember being asked if I would like to support a new Branch chairman.

Bollox. After today's press article about NATS priorities maybe we should ask for another about the LATCC Branch priorities.

[PPRuNe Radar]

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[55 and a bit North]

No doubt we will finish up with whoever LATCC want, never mind if the rest of the Branch don't like it. What price proportional representation?

[U B Nadd]

Well 55 AABN, PR is what you got. Most of the country's ATCOs work in the place that does most of the work, has most of the traffic and therefore gets most of the say.

[PPRuNe Radar]

IPMS are aware of the issues raised in this thread and have asked me to pass on this message. In my role as moderator I of course do not endorse either side of the argument but am happy to post this to provide a degree of balance in the debate.

"Dear 2 Six 4, You are more than welcome to attend the next meeting of the West Drayton & Swanwick IPMS Cttee to air your views. This will hopefully be more productive to you than sending off anonymous postings to PPRUNE which serves little useful purpose.

West Drayton & Swanwick IPMS Cttee"

By the way, in their last sentence I hope they mean that this debate on the Forum serves little useful purpose rather than PPRuNe itself !! We all know that PPRuNe certainly does serve a useful and popular purpose to the aviation community.

Regards from PPRuNe Radar

[Big Nose1]

You have gone very quiet 2 six 4, where are you? If you don`t like the way things are done, the only way to change them is to get invoved. You obviously need educating in the rules and procedures of the ATCO`s Branch from your comments. There are still places available on the 1999 Committee ......... provided you are prepared to sacrifice many hours of your own time trying to represent ( sometimes in vain ) the 100 different views of the LATCC ATCO, are an IPMS member and of course are actually a LATCC AC ATCO !!!

[2 six 4]

Sorry Bignose I was actually paying attention to the discussion and the advice from capt prune.

You assume a lot. I believe i know a bit about IPMS rules.

Some of us who have worked at other units before coming to LATCC have a good idea of what IPMS can do. I have always been struck by the arrogance of the LATCC branch. My former colleagues would be dismissed as working at little units. Not the big boys. don't shift the traffic etc. We have all heard it.

Most of them would have made the grade at any unit in the country. They just happened to get posted to smaller units and settled there.

While I appreciate your invitation to join LATCC committee I will not take it up. I have done my professional bit over the years.

Where many of us get p****d off is the totally negative attitude of the LATCC committee.

Where is the leadership while we are being threatened with privatisation ? What have they done ? Where are the motions to conference which helped us ? What LATCC committee motions said anything constructive ? What leadership did the committee provide for the members of IPMS ?

Zilch

[2 six 4]

Well big nose ?