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Interesting listening to all you EGFF & GD boys and girls chatting away on here.
It's fairly common knowledge within NATS that the intention, on securing the contract, is to move EGGD APP and ultimately EGTG into EGFF. Cardiff already has the "expertise" of running the zone and by cross validating both controllers onto FF/GD/TG approach you ultimately need less. It's what we already do with EGSS/GW/KK at LTCC.
This is all common knowledge.
It's fairly common knowledge within NATS that the intention, on securing the contract, is to move EGGD APP and ultimately EGTG into EGFF. Cardiff already has the "expertise" of running the zone and by cross validating both controllers onto FF/GD/TG approach you ultimately need less. It's what we already do with EGSS/GW/KK at LTCC.
This is all common knowledge.
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JayeRipley - As I said on another thread, some of the area guys who come to visit us walk out of our radar room with an astonished look on their faces. It only seems to be the old crusties like Heathrow Director who have the attitude of "if you're chopped by NATS, it's obviously because you can't hack it as an ATCO".
The only NATS ATCO's we seem to get any respect from is our friends like flower over at Cardiff. The area guys don't seem to rate us, but then again, did they rate Luton or Southampton before they joined the fold? Do I care?
But hey, why should I care what people think, very soon I'm going to be on the inside of the tent, but I don't intend to start p1ssing outward.
DtyCln - if it's such common knowledge, why do your colleagues at Cardiff not seem to be aware of it? And who's going to pay for it? TBI? I don't think so, they are not a company who like to spend money on facilities, especially when such facilities will not realise a substantial financial return. What would be in it for them to build a new ATC facility at Cardiff to house the approach function to help their nearest (and more successful) rival?
I think you'll find that a twenty year contract comes with certain guarantees, one of which will be that Bristol does not lose it's radar function at the airport. That will enable BIA to get out of the contract should they come to their senses and realise that they were better off as it was before, to put it politely.
Watch words for the coming months remain - up, brewery, organise, piss!
The only NATS ATCO's we seem to get any respect from is our friends like flower over at Cardiff. The area guys don't seem to rate us, but then again, did they rate Luton or Southampton before they joined the fold? Do I care?
But hey, why should I care what people think, very soon I'm going to be on the inside of the tent, but I don't intend to start p1ssing outward.
DtyCln - if it's such common knowledge, why do your colleagues at Cardiff not seem to be aware of it? And who's going to pay for it? TBI? I don't think so, they are not a company who like to spend money on facilities, especially when such facilities will not realise a substantial financial return. What would be in it for them to build a new ATC facility at Cardiff to house the approach function to help their nearest (and more successful) rival?
I think you'll find that a twenty year contract comes with certain guarantees, one of which will be that Bristol does not lose it's radar function at the airport. That will enable BIA to get out of the contract should they come to their senses and realise that they were better off as it was before, to put it politely.
Watch words for the coming months remain - up, brewery, organise, piss!
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The only NATS ATCO's we seem to get any respect from is our friends like flower over at Cardiff. The area guys don't seem to rate us
Civil v Mil
NATS v Non NATS
Area v Approach
LACC/LTCC v MACC/SCACC
Rearrange all of above to suit personal gripe!!!
On a different note, does Mr Willcox still fly out of Clutton Hill/High Littleton?
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Standard Noise these compliments are getting too much for me 
We at Cardiff work very closely with our Bristol colleagues, there is no way we could operate the delegated function as successfully if we didn't have the support of our ATCO colleagues at Bristol.
NATS or Non NATS an ATCO is an ATCO.
AS for what happens with Bristol should it come under the NATS umbrella well there is a lot of speculation but I guess only the bean counters really know.
Cardiff ATC is undergoing what could only be described as an extreme makeover at the moment, TBI is spending a considerable amount of money on us as is NATS, the Radar room is undergoing refurbishment with an additional radar position going in, we understand new TFT radar displays are in the pipeline,a NAS link new transmitters and receivers, well just about everything new you could imagine. The VCR is getting a brand new layout and furniture over the winter as well.
There is no doubt that from both a controlling point of view and for the benefit of aircrew's a combined unit would be good, the amount of traffic Exeter also now produces for us perhaps Exeter should also be considered part of the fold, but what you are then creating is a sub centre and I understood NATS policy was to create a two centre strategy so that would be going against policy.
Only time will tell
We at Cardiff work very closely with our Bristol colleagues, there is no way we could operate the delegated function as successfully if we didn't have the support of our ATCO colleagues at Bristol.
NATS or Non NATS an ATCO is an ATCO.
AS for what happens with Bristol should it come under the NATS umbrella well there is a lot of speculation but I guess only the bean counters really know.
Cardiff ATC is undergoing what could only be described as an extreme makeover at the moment, TBI is spending a considerable amount of money on us as is NATS, the Radar room is undergoing refurbishment with an additional radar position going in, we understand new TFT radar displays are in the pipeline,a NAS link new transmitters and receivers, well just about everything new you could imagine. The VCR is getting a brand new layout and furniture over the winter as well.
There is no doubt that from both a controlling point of view and for the benefit of aircrew's a combined unit would be good, the amount of traffic Exeter also now produces for us perhaps Exeter should also be considered part of the fold, but what you are then creating is a sub centre and I understood NATS policy was to create a two centre strategy so that would be going against policy.
Only time will tell
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Hey Flower,
What they didn't tell you is that there is plenty of room just off the River Hamble (but not in the car park!). I see the South West Tracon sitting on those 13 spare consoles being put into the new TCR which no-one (and I mean NO-ONE) seems to know anything about. The rumour was that they were for MACC but that one seems pretty dead now.
On the plus side that will make you working at a Grade 5 station.
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What they didn't tell you is that there is plenty of room just off the River Hamble (but not in the car park!). I see the South West Tracon sitting on those 13 spare consoles being put into the new TCR which no-one (and I mean NO-ONE) seems to know anything about. The rumour was that they were for MACC but that one seems pretty dead now.
On the plus side that will make you working at a Grade 5 station.
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Every ATCO I have ever met claims to work the hardest, most complicated sector or airfield. (Including me!
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I agree that ignorance can play a part - and of course most ATCO's have egos the size of the Grand Canyon which doesn't help.
Of course, if we were given time to do liaison visits.......
)I agree that ignorance can play a part - and of course most ATCO's have egos the size of the Grand Canyon which doesn't help.
Of course, if we were given time to do liaison visits.......
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Indeed Standard Noise - but failing a visit, how about a (shock horror) change in attitude. Just because a flight goes from a NATS service to a Non NATS service, doesn't mean it's going to be less safe or handled less professionally. Life's too short for this "my unit is better than your unit" stuff, it's just a job after all, and we should all respect that we do it to the best of our ability where ever we are. Hmmm, perhaps my ego needs some Viagra.
Ps. Any Lulsgate ATCOs know if Mr Willcox is still flying out of Clutton Hill, near Chew Valley lake?
Ps. Any Lulsgate ATCOs know if Mr Willcox is still flying out of Clutton Hill, near Chew Valley lake?
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Trapped, in a nightmare not of my making, fab. Still, could be worse, I could be working for Serco!
Rumour has it the new ATSM/GM will commute from the sunny south coast. NATS shelling out for a new dual carriageway are they?!
Rumour has it the new ATSM/GM will commute from the sunny south coast. NATS shelling out for a new dual carriageway are they?!
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Flower - notice up on our board in the Rest Room now re. joint Xmas party proposal. And where were you at the Cardiff-Bristol bowling night? A very good do, for sure. Even I went along...
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ATCOJ30,
would have loved to have been there but it was arranged when I was working.
As a lady who gets strikes and turkeys when I bowl I suspect it was arranged on purpose when i couldn't attend.
Like the idea of a joint Christmas doo though, gets my vote
would have loved to have been there but it was arranged when I was working.
As a lady who gets strikes and turkeys when I bowl I suspect it was arranged on purpose when i couldn't attend.
Like the idea of a joint Christmas doo though, gets my vote