LVP's
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LVP's
With LVP's in force, and an aircraft at 5 miles checks in with tower and is told 'continue, expect late landing clearance, one to depart'
Can this happen in LVP's ?
Also telling a/c to exit next left, when clearly we brief as pilots that we will be using Cat 2 exit as stated in procedures
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Can this happen in LVP's ?
Also telling a/c to exit next left, when clearly we brief as pilots that we will be using Cat 2 exit as stated in procedures
Comments?
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From: S.E England
Don't know why, but my units got different rules.
If you're landing after another landing a/c, the latest landing clearance is 1nm.
If you're landing following a departure, you have to have a landing clearance AT 2nm, not inside. For this to work, the departure (normally jet a/c) has to be rolling by the time the inbounds at 4nm.
I don't know why the difference in rules, (greater interference as the departure breaks the beam?) but LL & KK use these 1nm and 2nm rules!
If you're landing after another landing a/c, the latest landing clearance is 1nm.
If you're landing following a departure, you have to have a landing clearance AT 2nm, not inside. For this to work, the departure (normally jet a/c) has to be rolling by the time the inbounds at 4nm.
I don't know why the difference in rules, (greater interference as the departure breaks the beam?) but LL & KK use these 1nm and 2nm rules!
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I saw at work some new procedure that said something along the lines of landing clearances MUST be given by 2nm from a departing a/c. This came about from the number of serious incidents occurring when landing a/c goes around and eats up the departure for breakfast.
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Plide Gath, yes, thats exactly what i was referring to, GLA on Wednesday.
Spotter, why were GLA ATC asking a/c to use 'E' and 'F' during LVP's? The procedure is to use 'G' or 'A'. When we were holding at A2 the controller was having a conversation with the pilot of an a/c who had just landed about which exit point he was going to use. The pilot, and airline were not a UK one. He was confused as to why you were pusing him into 'E' or 'F'. All this in 250m vis ! what the hell was all that about ? Then followed the go-around.
I know everyones job is difficult in LVP conditions. but you did seem to make hard work of it all.
Spotter, why were GLA ATC asking a/c to use 'E' and 'F' during LVP's? The procedure is to use 'G' or 'A'. When we were holding at A2 the controller was having a conversation with the pilot of an a/c who had just landed about which exit point he was going to use. The pilot, and airline were not a UK one. He was confused as to why you were pusing him into 'E' or 'F'. All this in 250m vis ! what the hell was all that about ? Then followed the go-around.
I know everyones job is difficult in LVP conditions. but you did seem to make hard work of it all.
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From: UK
LVPs - ooh scary stuff - particularly at dodgy regional airports that won't spend money on ground radar. I wouldn't like to be in the tower on a foggy day, giving take-off and landing clearances with your fingers crossed. I mean how many pilots get lost in LVPs ? And what is ATC separation based on ? Pilots knowing where they are. Wasn't there a case at GLA of aircraft taxing up one of the links onto the runway in LVPs ? 
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From: Planet Earth
In answer to UR Number 1 LVPs are only mandatory at airfields with CATII/III procedures.
However in the UK a lot of CATI airfileds have drawn up "LVPs" to satisfy SRG. These tend to be watered down versions of the real thing.
However in the UK a lot of CATI airfileds have drawn up "LVPs" to satisfy SRG. These tend to be watered down versions of the real thing.
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I'm not sure that PPIMan is quite right. It's not a case of Cat II/III needs LVPs - I think it's operations below a visibility at which the controller in the VCR can see enough to control what's going on.
In addition, any airport that wants to operate below a certain vis (400m I think) must have LVPs. The procedures are meant to protect the runway from errant aircraft and vehicles etc. it's not just an ILS thing - aeroplanes taking off deserve protection too!
In addition, any airport that wants to operate below a certain vis (400m I think) must have LVPs. The procedures are meant to protect the runway from errant aircraft and vehicles etc. it's not just an ILS thing - aeroplanes taking off deserve protection too!
