Faa Hiring Announcement

[atcea.com]

Please see the following link for information on the FAA VRA hiring bid:

Vacancy Announcement Number: FAA-AAT-04-VRA02-73595

Also available at:

ATCEA.com

Good luck!

[niknak]

The pre requisite to be a US citizen and a salary that wouldn't feed a goldfish in the UK are somewhat of a barrier, otherwise.....

[caniplaywithmadness]

I like the fact that the salary differential between the top and bottom of the scale is $1. What does one have to have in terms of additio0nal experience to qualify to get straight in at the top of the scale and earn that $1 more than everyone else???

[NATCA A80]

This bid is for U.S. Military Veterans, odds are the reason for the initial low salary is, those hired under this bid would be sent to the FAA Academy in Oklahoma City to receive initial training, then if they graduate sent on to their first facility where their pay should jump up to around $50K, then increase as they fully certify.

Mike
NATCA A80

[jack-oh]

Its nice to see that a country actually recognises the fact that its military controllers training stands them in good stead for further employment in civil ATC, unlike the UK. With the introduction of european working regulations it is now permissable to hire a Polish air traffic controller who has a recognised civil license but not a UK service person who has been providing ATS to civil ac for years. When is the CAA going to wake up to this fact and stop running a closed shop. It beggars belief that both the CAA and MOD, who are goverment agencies, are dictated to by a private company (NATS) about who is and who is not worthy of there patronage.

[TrafficTraffic]

Why would someone from Poland want work in NERC?

[niknak]

Jack oh

If you knew anything at all about ATC, you would know that the UK CAA sets some of the highest internationally recognised standards for anyone wishing to become a civilian ATCO.

You would also know that there is a world of difference between civillian and military ATC procedures in the UK.

There are some very good ex military atcos and atcas who have left the comfort zone of the military, and had the courage to undergo the formidible, and sometimes very costly, task of taking the CAA courses, and subsequently obtaining a UK CAA ATC Licence.

The only concession that the CAA give to anyone with previous ATC experience, is a reduction of a maximum of 50% course time, IF they pass an assessment for prior competence.
NATS/CAA cadetship courses are overun with applicants, as are employers at regional airports, all of whom are more worthy of being given an opportunity than some ex military prat who thinks they are owed a subsidised opportunity to top up their service pension.

There is no reason what so ever for the CAA to lower their standards to accomodate anyone.

[Scott Voigt]

Niknak;

Are you infering that we are lowering our standards by accepting military??? They still have to go through the training and prove themselves. Nothing is given...

regards

Scott

[Onan the Clumsy]

Why 52 consecutive weeks?

Are you not allowed vacation time?

Salary: The starting salary for applicants with 52 consecutive weeks of air traffic control experience is $36,027. The starting salary for applicants with 52 consecutive weeks of air traffic control experience and a facility rating or ATCS certification in accordance with FAA standards is $42,385. Salary will be adjusted to include locality pay or COLA based on duty location of the position.

And as well as not being a citizen... I'm TOO OLD


(the dollar difference is for a cup of coffee at Starbucks, oh wait a minute, that'll be $1.52)

[UR all Idjuts I Quit]

Yeh niknak, we see first hand over here how HIGH the standards are for controllers in the UK. They are just soooo good. Most of the screwed up sequences into Dubai are due to English incompetence. Give me an Aussie, a Swede, a kiwi, a Canadian, or (god it hurts to say this) even a Sth African over a pom any day.

No offense to the individual concerned, but first hand experience of the trainee ATC in Oz who washed out hopelessly from a course, and didn't even make it to the OJT stage, yet went to England and validated no problem. Hmmmm extremely high standards you have there. Wouldn't want those military people in now would we. Tally ho old boy!

[Hurn-ia]

I'm at the CATC in Bournemouth, and military ATCOs have to start with the rest of us to get CAA licenses

[jack-oh]

NikNak I hope your not refering to anyone in particular as a prat. I accept that UK military and civil procedures are different as I also accept that ICAO and UK civil procedures are different. My point was that in the USA thier goverment realises the diferences and actively goes out of its way to help its millitary controllers convert to civil procedures. It does not expect them to start at the very bottom but offers them a leg up, after commiting themselves to defending thier country and not going out and getting a civil job straight away. In this sense it is a pay back for the service to thier country. I also pointed out that european law allows non nationals to actively seek employment in any member state providing they have the right qualifications; qualifications that are not given to members of the UK military unlike in France. I consider this to be unfair.

[Warped Factor]

UR all Idjuts I Quit, maybe the u/t described just benefited from the experience gained and a much better training regime over here

My Dad's bigger than your Dad etc etc etc ad nauseum....... again.

[Spuds McKenzie]

the UK CAA sets some of the highest internationally recognised standards for anyone wishing to become a civilian ATCO.

Not again...!

statement from niknak on another thread :

NATS offers the best training in the world, the best platform to work as opposed to anywhere else in the world, and the best terms and conditions, certainly in Europe, possibly elsewhere.

Maybe niknak could enlighten us about where else he has worked as an ATCO. Surely it must've been all over the world, how else would he be able to compare all those lowly ATC providers with the shining example called NATS...

[niknak]

Scott - absolutely not - I have no experience of the US system and in the post I specifically referred to the UK.

Spuds - Fairly selective in which part of the post you've chosen to reproduce, you'll be aware that, in reading comments on that particular thread that I was comparing my experiences and those of others who i know well in the profession.
Not a part time Mirror journalist are you?

Jack Oh - no, and I accept that are an equal number of prats in the civil world, although the number of mil' atco's I've met who think that they should be given a straight licence conversion is startling.
Regardless of experience, I firmly believe that you either start at the beginning or show that you are capable of joining a course up to half way through by taking an Assesment of Prior Competence. I guess that's where our opinions, and those of the CAA and the colleges differ - so be it.

Ur IIQ - I've nothing against ex - mil atcos, if you'd bothered to read my post properly you'd know that.
As for the rest of your twaddle, obviously your unit training and on - going competency standards are way below professional requirements if you have people who aren't up to the job, that's not something to be proud of or boast about here.

[rej]

Niknak

Would appreciate knowing where you work now and where you are likely to work during the rest of your ATC career so that if I ever hang up my blue-suit and decide to "top up my pension" I won't ever apply for a job that might mean working within HF range of you.

Its a good job that most people in this occupation respect our colleagues on "the other side".

[niknak]

Rej

PM me when you retire and I'll let you know so you can send me your CV.