expedite climb
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OK...
I work in the TMA and I certainly use expedite to help me do my job efficiently without using excessive vectors in small and congested airspace.
Here is what I expect... I LOOK at what the a/c is doing.... I JUDGE the conflict..... if I decide there is enough space, but that an expedite for 4 or 5 thousand feet would make it more comfortable, then I ask the pilot to expedite. I EXPECT a higher climb rate than what he is giving me before the request and I EXPECT him/Her to tell me if they are not able.
It is not a form of separation per se, it is a tool used by skillful controllers who understand A/C performance.
As stated, Many A/C offer a good rate on departure (I know 'good rate' is a moot phrase but in this context it is obvious what the pilot means)
For a EGLL Dover departure, it is not always any use because of the stacks, but on a Lambourne, with such tight restrictions, it can be a godsend. However, being intelligent, I do not always take up the offer if there is too much traffic in the way. In the same way that pilots are intelligent enough to know that if I do not use it it is because I cannot at that time.
They also know not to query why I am not using it because they know I am busy.
It is about COMMON SENSE, a thing that a few of the pedants around here could do to remember.
Stay safe
I work in the TMA and I certainly use expedite to help me do my job efficiently without using excessive vectors in small and congested airspace.
Here is what I expect... I LOOK at what the a/c is doing.... I JUDGE the conflict..... if I decide there is enough space, but that an expedite for 4 or 5 thousand feet would make it more comfortable, then I ask the pilot to expedite. I EXPECT a higher climb rate than what he is giving me before the request and I EXPECT him/Her to tell me if they are not able.
It is not a form of separation per se, it is a tool used by skillful controllers who understand A/C performance.
As stated, Many A/C offer a good rate on departure (I know 'good rate' is a moot phrase but in this context it is obvious what the pilot means)
For a EGLL Dover departure, it is not always any use because of the stacks, but on a Lambourne, with such tight restrictions, it can be a godsend. However, being intelligent, I do not always take up the offer if there is too much traffic in the way. In the same way that pilots are intelligent enough to know that if I do not use it it is because I cannot at that time.
They also know not to query why I am not using it because they know I am busy.
It is about COMMON SENSE, a thing that a few of the pedants around here could do to remember.
Stay safe
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ukatco_535,
I agree with your interpretation of expedite, the problem is, if I am not PF (I am Left Seat) then the other person does what they think is correct. Sadly there are many times that they try too hard and really go for it - result, short term increase, run out of energy, level off.
I fly Airbus various, from 320 to 330, the small Bus can be a challenge but if you look at the ROC, go V/S (shock, horror, No !) and increase it by say 50%, it works, it helps ATC, it doesn't degrade the energy, we still have protection, result, everyone is happy.
Now try getting most of our guys to climb in V/S, you will wait a while
I agree with your interpretation of expedite, the problem is, if I am not PF (I am Left Seat) then the other person does what they think is correct. Sadly there are many times that they try too hard and really go for it - result, short term increase, run out of energy, level off.
I fly Airbus various, from 320 to 330, the small Bus can be a challenge but if you look at the ROC, go V/S (shock, horror, No !) and increase it by say 50%, it works, it helps ATC, it doesn't degrade the energy, we still have protection, result, everyone is happy.
Now try getting most of our guys to climb in V/S, you will wait a while
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To those who use the term expedite:
When you assign a heading do you say "turn left a little bit" or "turn left a couple of degrees" or do you give a specific heading...?
When you assign a heading do you say "turn left a little bit" or "turn left a couple of degrees" or do you give a specific heading...?
