th term "Charlie Charlie"
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th term "Charlie Charlie"
In bad Hf communication
we often use the call "CC" to confirm that the atc readback the correct position report.
Does anybody know where this term comes from ???
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we often use the call "CC" to confirm that the atc readback the correct position report.Does anybody know where this term comes from ???
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Comes from the days of Wireless Telegraphy when the letter "C" in morse code was used to confirm the receipt and understanding of a message.
Hence " That's Charlie" means " That's understood "
Hence " That's Charlie" means " That's understood "
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I was told, by TrafficTraffic no less (so it must be true) that the term comes from the old Q-codes, of which a few are still used (QNH, QFE etc) but many have become obselete, such as QCC, meaning correct or understood or some such similar. Could be utter sh
of course, but it sounded feasible to me.
of course, but it sounded feasible to me.
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As far as I can remember there is/was no Q-code QCC - it was unassigned. Maybe the closest code is QSL (I acknowledge receipt) which was sent to confirm successful receipt of a message or instruction.
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Forget about Q codes, I'd go along with qwerty2; in my old job the code flag "C" meant affirm, yes, the significance of the previous group should be read in the positive, etc. It's an established thing, C means yes.
Now I'm off to eat my fish fingers, ooh argh!!
Now I'm off to eat my fish fingers, ooh argh!!
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Well there you go
Sorry 433 for the B|_|m steer there old chap I honestly thought it was a Q code....but with the comprehensive ICAO list above how could I contest it.
You learn something new everyday.
...now the last time I was worng was back in 92', ahhhh I remember the days.....
You learn something new everyday.
...now the last time I was worng was back in 92', ahhhh I remember the days.....
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Bit confused over in my corner. Is it different in military speak? I was always taught that the words "charlie charlie" were used before passing a message to stations on a pre-organised list of stations, (ie, during an exercise), the words "alpha charlie" being used to pass a message to all listening stations. Got this during my time in the Air cadets.
Quoting from "Air Publication 1529, Air Ministry, The 'Q' Code" book, published in 1937, there is no QCC.
However under "Miscellaneous Abbreviations" it states;
Abbreviation "C" - Meaning "Yes".
Hope this is helpful.
However under "Miscellaneous Abbreviations" it states;
Abbreviation "C" - Meaning "Yes".
Hope this is helpful.
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Bex,
The morse start of transmission prosign is indeed CT (-.-.-) The end of message sign is AR (.-.-. also written as +). NNNN is the message end sign used in telex communications; the associated start of message signal is ZCZC.
The morse start of transmission prosign is indeed CT (-.-.-) The end of message sign is AR (.-.-. also written as +). NNNN is the message end sign used in telex communications; the associated start of message signal is ZCZC.
But as the original post said, "bad ... communication.." So, if you don't even know the correct meaning of this "procedure word", why are you perpetrating this pseudo-macho RTF crap??
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I think 1261 has the closest measure of it and as always the origins are historical. Much of the early aeronautical practice was adopted from the swabbos (Navy) who already had a fine system of signalling by flags, long before Marconi came along.
As WT/RT developed, these signals were kept fairly standard as everyone was already familiar with them and it avoided confusion. I appreciate that this may be a strange concept to more recent joiners of our industry who are accustomed to being bu99ered about by incessant policy changes.
To this day, maritime code flags either represent a letter of the alphabet when in a string or, individually, a specific message. Long before we learned how to send out radio signals, this flag was the letter C
On its own it means Yes, Affirmative, Correct, etc. . . . or just Charlie. It's simply something that's been handed down through the generations that everyone still seems to understand
As WT/RT developed, these signals were kept fairly standard as everyone was already familiar with them and it avoided confusion. I appreciate that this may be a strange concept to more recent joiners of our industry who are accustomed to being bu99ered about by incessant policy changes.
To this day, maritime code flags either represent a letter of the alphabet when in a string or, individually, a specific message. Long before we learned how to send out radio signals, this flag was the letter C
On its own it means Yes, Affirmative, Correct, etc. . . . or just Charlie. It's simply something that's been handed down through the generations that everyone still seems to understand