th term "Charlie Charlie"
In bad Hf communication:rolleyes: we often use the call "CC" to confirm that the atc readback the correct position report.
Does anybody know where this term comes from ??? Greetz slam_dunk |
Comes from the days of Wireless Telegraphy when the letter "C" in morse code was used to confirm the receipt and understanding of a message.
Hence " That's Charlie" means " That's understood " |
I was told, by TrafficTraffic no less (so it must be true) that the term comes from the old Q-codes, of which a few are still used (QNH, QFE etc) but many have become obselete, such as QCC, meaning correct or understood or some such similar. Could be utter sh:mad: of course, but it sounded feasible to me.
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"Charlie"
Have heard both, "That's Charlie" and "Charlie Charlie"
But Not "Charley":confused: we aim to please, it keeps the cleaners happy |
As far as I can remember there is/was no Q-code QCC - it was unassigned. Maybe the closest code is QSL (I acknowledge receipt) which was sent to confirm successful receipt of a message or instruction.
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Forget about Q codes, I'd go along with qwerty2; in my old job the code flag "C" meant affirm, yes, the significance of the previous group should be read in the positive, etc. It's an established thing, C means yes.
Now I'm off to eat my fish fingers, ooh argh!! |
Well there you go
Sorry 433 for the B|_|m steer there old chap I honestly thought it was a Q code....but with the comprehensive ICAO list above how could I contest it.
You learn something new everyday. ...now the last time I was worng was back in 92', ahhhh I remember the days..... |
Thanks guys, for the explanation.
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Bit confused over in my corner. Is it different in military speak? I was always taught that the words "charlie charlie" were used before passing a message to stations on a pre-organised list of stations, (ie, during an exercise), the words "alpha charlie" being used to pass a message to all listening stations. Got this during my time in the Air cadets.
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CT I think for a new message -.-. -
(and end of message as well ,or was that NNNN?) Errors used to be EEE . . . Can't remember the rest. Rgds BEX |
Working in the media industry as I do, "Charlie" has a whole other meaning ;)
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Bit of a typing error there?? the last time i was wrong was back in 92' |
Quoting from "Air Publication 1529, Air Ministry, The 'Q' Code" book, published in 1937, there is no QCC.
However under "Miscellaneous Abbreviations" it states; Abbreviation "C" - Meaning "Yes". Hope this is helpful. |
Si Si
C C Charlie Charlie |
Bex,
The morse start of transmission prosign is indeed CT (-.-.-) The end of message sign is AR (.-.-. also written as +). NNNN is the message end sign used in telex communications; the associated start of message signal is ZCZC. |
My word, takes me back to WRU, HI, etc.!
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But as the original post said, "bad ... communication.." So, if you don't even know the correct meaning of this "procedure word", why are you perpetrating this pseudo-macho RTF crap??
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I think 1261 has the closest measure of it and as always the origins are historical. Much of the early aeronautical practice was adopted from the swabbos (Navy) who already had a fine system of signalling by flags, long before Marconi came along.
As WT/RT developed, these signals were kept fairly standard as everyone was already familiar with them and it avoided confusion. I appreciate that this may be a strange concept to more recent joiners of our industry who are accustomed to being bu99ered about by incessant policy changes. To this day, maritime code flags either represent a letter of the alphabet when in a string or, individually, a specific message. Long before we learned how to send out radio signals, this flag was the letter C http://ourworld.compuserve.co.uk/DrSynHst/C.gif On its own it means Yes, Affirmative, Correct, etc. . . . or just Charlie. It's simply something that's been handed down through the generations that everyone still seems to understand ;) |
"Thats Cocoa, Pogo last"
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