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[BACsuperVC10]

Lufthansa are operating A319s on 8, 14 and 15 May FRA-LPL-FRA.

[BACsuperVC10]

LPL - FRA - LPL route , celebrated its first anniversary yesterday

[BACsuperVC10]

A319 used yesterday and today on LPL-FRA, to cater for Eurovision traffic.

[SWBKCB]

Last Play flight today until September

[chaps1954]

Oh wow didn`t realise that was happening, I know there is always more pax in winter

[BACsuperVC10]

A319 used yesterday and today on LPL-FRA, to cater for Eurovision traffic.

E90 aircraft due to operate on 21 May, Whit holidays I think.

[lfc84]

Jet2 operating from April 2024

Source twitter spdtravels

[BACsuperVC10]

At last , a break to the FR/Easy duopoly. Good news.

[A350Saltire]

20 new routes. Great news for LPL!

[LBIA]

Jet2 Liverpool base
20x routes 3x based aircraft from May 2024.

Bourgas
Ibiza
Palma
Mahon
Alicante
Paphos
Fuertenventura
Tenerife
Arrecife
Las Palmas
Corfu
Heraklion
Kos
Rhodes
Zante
Faro
Funchal
Antalya
Bodrum
Dalaman

[stewyb]

Believe it’s x 4 aircraft from March

[laviation]

That is absolutely fantastic news. Now I can dodge MAN and not have to make the heinous M62 trek to LBA for Jet2. Happy days

[DomyDom]

The new Jet2 base at LPL is great news for Liverpool and provides more choice for passengers in the North West. As a MAN follower myself I think congratulations ate in order. Jet2 are a great airline. It might even help with congestion at my local airport during peak times 🙂👍

[FRatSTN]

At last , a break to the FR/Easy duopoly. Good news.
Indeed, but I'll give it 2 years and EZY will no longer base at LPL and just fly inbound from the likes of BFS and AMS.

[ATNotts]

Indeed, but I'll give it 2 years and EZY will no longer base at LPL and just fly inbound from the likes of BFS and AMS.
Not sure why. They are largely serving different markets, with Jet2 being basically the in-house airline for Jet2 Holidays whereas Easyjet is still very much primarily an airline that has a comparatively small bucket-and-spade IT offer.

More likely might be TUI putting more of their own metal into LPL on 'w' patterns in S24 to stem the loss of Merseyside business to their principal rival in for the families Med market.

[davidjohnson6]

I'm wondering if Easyjet might shift their route emphasis at LPL in S24 slightly away from the likes of Tenerife and a little more towards increasing frequencies to cities not served by Jet2

[FRatSTN]

Not sure why. They are largely serving different markets, with Jet2 being basically the in-house airline for Jet2 Holidays whereas Easyjet is still very much primarily an airline that has a comparatively small bucket-and-spade IT offer.

The reason I'd say why is because it's happened elsewhere. Looking at the EasyJet UK network as a whole, Liverpool is now a bit of an outlier. They simply don't have the volume or market power they have elsewhere in their route network and it has reduced in size over the years. I'd say the only reason they haven't already pulled the LPL base is due to relatively little direct competition and the fact it obviously still yields some decent financial return. Guess we'll see if that continues but I personally wouldn't be surprised to see them consolidate at MAN and maintain a token presence at LPL with just some key routes flying on inbounds sectors. Not a theory I've just dreamt up out the blue, but one I've long felt possible if LPL ever got a third big carrier.

[pug]

The reason I'd say why is because it's happened elsewhere. Looking at the EasyJet UK network as a whole, Liverpool is now a bit of an outlier. They simply don't have the volume or market power they have elsewhere in their route network and it has reduced in size over the years. I'd say the only reason they haven't already pulled the LPL base is due to relatively little direct competition and the fact it obviously still yields some decent financial return. Guess we'll see if that continues but I personally wouldn't be surprised to see them consolidate at MAN and maintain a token presence at LPL with just some key routes flying on inbounds sectors. Not a theory I've just dreamt up out the blue, but one I've long felt possible if LPL ever got a third big carrier.

I think they’ve stayed there primarily on the back of a legacy relationship with the airport operator and probably a loyal support base in the Liverpool catchment area. I agree though, that current trends would have easyjet retreat to much larger operating bases located strategically around the UK’s larger cities. They have a disparity of bases really with LGW, LTN, BRS and LPL and MAN in England now. LBA would make sense as would BHX, with aircraft operating from other bases into LPL to satisfy the higher yielding routes.

Don’t see LPL losing them without a fight, but perhaps this latest move by Jet2 is in direct response to an intimation from one of the incumbents.

[BACsuperVC10]

To my mind Easyjet have not growned their Liverpool base the way they should do, dropping long established routes for no particular reason, or running reduced services. They can't expect to have it all their own way doing this. The airport authority have their interests, and would need to react.

[Dct_Mopas]

To my mind Easyjet have not growned their Liverpool base the way they should do, dropping long established routes for no particular reason, or running reduced services. They can't expect to have it all their own way doing this. The airport authority have their interests, and would need to react.

No airline is a charity, the flights would have been dropped/ reduced as not performing and contributing to a profitable operation. That’s the only reason flights are removed. The easyJet (and Ryanair) bases have fluctuated in size over the years based on yield and demand.

This could quite easily be Jet2 diverting capacity away from MAN short term with expansion being problematic due to the current redevelopment building works. If so a short term price war will not do LPL airport any good in years to come if Jet2 moves everything in the Northwest back to MAN.

[pug]

No airline is a charity, the flights would have been dropped/ reduced as not performing and contributing to a profitable operation. That’s the only reason flights are removed. The easyJet (and Ryanair) bases have fluctuated in size over the years based on yield and demand.

This could quite easily be Jet2 diverting capacity away from MAN short term with expansion being problematic due to the current redevelopment building works. If so a short term price war will not do LPL airport any good in years to come if Jet2 moves everything in the Northwest back to MAN.

Regardless of what may or may not happen with easyjet/Ryanair, Jet2 are going to be there to stay. It’s part of their growth angenda and another large city region added to their network. It’s not overspill for MAN, it’s an entirely separate operation.

[BACsuperVC10]

No airline is a charity, the flights would have been dropped/ reduced as not performing and contributing to a profitable operation. That’s the only reason flights are removed. The easyJet (and Ryanair) bases have fluctuated in size over the years based on yield and demand.

This could quite easily be Jet2 diverting capacity away from MAN short term with expansion being problematic due to the current redevelopment building works. If so a short term price war will not do LPL airport any good in years to come if Jet2 moves everything in the Northwest back to MAN.


Dont buy that.

[Albert Hall]

No airline is a charity, the flights would have been dropped/ reduced as not performing and contributing to a profitable operation. That’s the only reason flights are removed. The easyJet (and Ryanair) bases have fluctuated in size over the years based on yield and demand..

I'm not sure that can be said of easyJet and Liverpool. I'd been told they've done some pretty bad things, including putting a route on sale last year (Rhodes, I think it was) at Liverpool which was then switched to Manchester late into the booking cycle despite being very well sold at LPL. The reason was reputedly that it was going to fall fractionally short of a volume threshold in its commercial deal at MAN and needed to put more pax through MAN to hit the target. It's clearly in the interests of the airline's profitability to do so but this is just one instance of LPL losing out through no fault of its own or due to adverse performance of the LPL market.

Good on LPL for attracting Jet2. It's fantastic news for the airport and if they approach the LPL market in the way they have done elsewhere, I am sure it will be a success.

[eggc]

I can see EZY running as people have pointed out they have not shown to much commitment to LPL in recent years while exploding at MAN. RYR on the other hand I would suggest will fight back. Would be a shame if EZY did retreat as that would mean Jet2 simply replacing lost seats rather than substantial growth. I am not to sure that Jet2's appeance at LPL could be in part something to do with constaints at MAN wihile development work continues - and if that is the case then there is nowhere for EZY to run anyway. Interesting times ahead...

[eye2eye5]

It’s probably not true to say that easyJet haven’t shown commitment to LPL. All airports were subject to review at the beginning of Covid, with some (eg Newcastle) closing. LPL saw a slight reduction in based units, but is back up to 7 this Summer. There has certainly been a refocus on sun routes and that probably brings them more into conflict with Jet 2. However, it’s illogical to assume that both can’t exist at LPL when they can at MAN. Both airports have wide catchment areas.

[ATNotts]

I'm really not sure what some posters here don't get about LPL, Jet2 and their prospects. Phil Meason didn't wake up one morning and decide on some kind of whim to move into Liverpool, it will have been a well considered business decision aimed at increasing market share. Not all of Merseyside is a poor ghetto, no more than Manchester, Birmingham or any of our cities. There are prosperous area on both sides of the Mersey and towns such as Southport that will ensure Jet2 prosper, alongside Easyjet and Ryanair.

There appears, and I expressed this opinion previously, that Manchester has the sole right to first dibs on all air services in Northern England if some posters are to be believed, in some ways similar to London attitudes towards the rest of the UK.

I write this as someone who doesn't have a vested interest, residing as I do in the East Midlands.

[Cleared For A Coffee]

I think what most of the negative replies to this news are missing is that Manchester have done this to themselves. I live abroad and unfortunately have to use T2 frequently. It is a truly awful experience and if I had the option (which I unfortunately do not) I would use Liverpool.

Away from these boards in the real world, that seems to be the general consensus. Just look at the feedback on Jet2’s social media since the announcement, it will tell you everything you need to know.

Airlines don’t make massive decisions like this on a whim. You can kick and scream all you like, but EZY & FR are going nowhere and Jet2 look to be there to stay too.

Manchester’s own fault.

[UnderASouthernSky]

I think what most of the negative replies to this news are missing is that Manchester have done this to themselves. I live abroad and unfortunately have to use T2 frequently. It is a truly awful experience and if I had the option (which I unfortunately do not) I would use Liverpool.

Away from these boards in the real world, that seems to be the general consensus. Just look at the feedback on Jet2’s social media since the announcement, it will tell you everything you need to know.

Airlines don’t make massive decisions like this on a whim. You can kick and scream all you like, but EZY & FR are going nowhere and Jet2 look to be there to stay too.

Manchester’s own fault.

When did you last fly from MAN T2? To say now, that is is a "truly awful experience" does not seem fair to me. It is hugely improved since last Summer, for example, based on my flights to/from there this month. Not sure the same can be said for the other terminals however...

[MANFAN]

I think what most of the negative replies to this news are missing is that Manchester have done this to themselves. I live abroad and unfortunately have to use T2 frequently. It is a truly awful experience and if I had the option (which I unfortunately do not) I would use Liverpool.

Away from these boards in the real world, that seems to be the general consensus. Just look at the feedback on Jet2’s social media since the announcement, it will tell you everything you need to know.

Airlines don’t make massive decisions like this on a whim. You can kick and scream all you like, but EZY & FR are going nowhere and Jet2 look to be there to stay too.

Manchester’s own fault.

This is an expansion in the NW of England, what the hell do you me “Manchester has done this to themselves”?!
You obviously ain’t got a clue!

Are you getting confused with Terminal 1 or 3 in Manchester, because Terminal 2 is the newest and largest terminal, only to get bigger by 2025 with the refurbishment of the legacy Terminal 2.

[sportzbar]

I think what most of the negative replies to this news are missing is that Manchester have done this to themselves. I live abroad and unfortunately have to use T2 frequently. It is a truly awful experience and if I had the option (which I unfortunately do not) I would use Liverpool.

Away from these boards in the real world, that seems to be the general consensus. Just look at the feedback on Jet2’s social media since the announcement, it will tell you everything you need to know.

Airlines don’t make massive decisions like this on a whim. You can kick and scream all you like, but EZY & FR are going nowhere and Jet2 look to be there to stay too.

Manchester’s own fault.
Manchester's own fault? You do realise that the base at Manchester is pretty much full now dont you? There isn't stand availability to expand more at the moment. The aircraft being allocated aren't being lost from Manchester. Far from it. They are being swapped out for larger aircraft and by happy coincidence these four aircraft will be used to open a new base. Jet2 are still expanding at Manchester....

So tell me again, how is a successful airline/holiday company, utilitising it's assets in the best way possible to grow the business, somehow "Manchester's own Fault......"

[chaps1954]

When you rebuild your airport you expect a bit of pain as did Heathrow and Gatwick.

[gdiddy]

Great news about Jet2 opening a base...

Two UK airports getting new airline bases in less than a week!

I don't think easyJet will be running from Liverpool, while the airport might be playing second fiddle to easyJet's Manchester operation and you haven't seen any growth in recent years, that's the same at many UK bases for easyJet.

While the Luton base is much larger than Liverpool, it plays second fiddle to Gatwick, and Luton hasn't seen any easyJet growth in about 5-6 years. When new routes are announced at Luton, it usually comes at the expense of another route getting the axe or a frequency cut to an established route.

EasyJet are very shrewd and I think we have to face it, unfortunately Manchester and Gatwick can demand higher fares for routes and are more profitable for the airline. That being said, I am not in anyway saying easyJet are making a loss at Liverpool, and if they were they would have left years ago.

[BACsuperVC10]

I believe Easyjet will remain at Liverpool, the Jet2 announcement may hive them the kick up the backside they need at Liverpool to actually stop languishing.

[BACsuperVC10]

XLR facility at Liverpool is to grow.

https://www.businessairportinternational.com/news/xlr-expands-liverpool-executive-jet-centre.html

[TheFiddler]

This is an expansion in the NW of England, what the hell do you me “Manchester has done this to themselves”?!
You obviously ain’t got a clue!

Are you getting confused with Terminal 1 or 3 in Manchester, because Terminal 2 is the newest and largest terminal, only to get bigger by 2025 with the refurbishment of the legacy Terminal 2.

T2 is an utter disgrace. You may be a fan, but you clearly don't use T2 regularly.

[AircraftOperations]

T2 is an utter disgrace. You may be a fan, but you clearly don't use T2 regularly.

What makes it an utter disgrace?

[Rutan16]

What makes it an utter disgrace?

Its not in Edge Hill and had the audacity to be built and funded in the support of Manchester council tax payers . Its a work in progress for heavens sake , and yes its a bloody long walk to the first pier (not unique try some of the T3 stands at Heathrow !)

There are a few here and in « tall towers » carrying simply prejudice without adding anything useful to the discord .

Caveat the MAG group continued work during COVID and hasn’t delivered a dividend whilst hemorrhaging cash -still investment and job creation for the NorthWest which is not to be sniffed at.

What has Peel delivered - a bloody Greggs !

[BACsuperVC10]

Pot Kettle !!

[Rutan16]

Pot Kettle !!

Who predicted JET2 and Aer Lingus return as positives for Liverpool and indeed continues to recommend KLC return when slots become available

Equally through will critique the financial issues with Play because they are of concern !

What I am not is a bloody cheerleader as the world of business isn't always flag waving positivity !

And many people would have noted the irony (comedy) in the Greggs comment and simply moved on.

No doubt you read my posts a few days ago on another thread !

Why does the idea of discord upset your sensibilities prey tell !

[laviation]

What's this rumour of BA launching LHR-LPL all about?
I saw on LJLA Twitter a few months back:

https://twitter.com/LPL_Airport/status/1635271900980215809?s=20

Something concrete or just BS?

[Rutan16]

What's this rumour of BA launching LHR-LPL all about?
I saw on LJLA Twitter a few months back:

https://twitter.com/LPL_Airport/status/1635271900980215809?s=20

Something concrete or just BS?

The second !

[BACsuperVC10]

Who predicted JET2 and Aer Lingus return as positives for Liverpool and indeed continues to recommend KLC return when slots become available

Equally through will critique the financial issues with Play because they are of concern !

What I am not is a bloody cheerleader as the world of business isn't always flag waving positivity !

And many people would have noted the irony (comedy) in the Greggs comment and simply moved on.

No doubt you read my posts a few days ago on another thread !

No, they do not interest me in the slightest.

[laviation]

LHR-LPL would be nice, but the general catchment area isn't going to really need it. A better use of aircraft would be BA Euroflyer at MAN , or in BA's eyes, another London destination!!

[Rutan16]

No, they do not interest me in the slightest.

I don’t believe you I know full well you read the Manchester thread but never mind . As usual you make yourself a pretty unpleasant person !

[Rutan16]

LHR-LPL would be nice, but the general catchment area isn't going to really need it. A better use of aircraft would be BA Euroflyer at MAN , or in BA's eyes, another London destination!!

BA ( IAG) really couldn’t give a flying fig about the regions evidence the collapse in numbers on the none shuttle down the road , and sometimes eye watering point to point fares !

That said the rail alternative with Avanti is piss poor and stupid expensive these days . At least Lime Street has an albeit slow competitor in London Northern Western .

And as Greenfinch regularly demonstrates alternative hub carriers are available these days; one that serves MORE onward global destinations at that, whilst Aer Lingus now serves many US cities via Dublin.

That said Aer Lingus seem to have a disturbing cancellation and substitution rate from what I have observed.

That can’t be good for public confidence

[BACsuperVC10]

I don’t believe you I know full well you read the Manchester thread but never mind . As usual you make yourself a pretty unpleasant person !
:rolleyes:

[laviation]

BA ( IAG) really couldn’t give a flying fig about the regions evidence the collapse in numbers on the none shuttle down the road , and sometimes eye watering point to point fares !

That said the rail alternative with Avanti is piss poor and stupid expensive these days . At least Lime Street has an albeit slow competitor in London Northern Western .

And as Greenfinch regularly demonstrates alternative hub carriers are available these days; one that serves MORE onward global destinations at that, whilst Aer Lingus now serves many US cities via Dublin.

That said Aer Lingus seem to have a disturbing cancellation and substitution rate from what I have observed.

That can’t be good for public confidence

Think Loganair are the ones to launch an LHR connection, if ever.
Daily Embraer or ATR, perhaps on a W pattern, leaving about 06:30 and coming back for 14:00.

If BA ostensibly have half a brain, they would launch this route.
LPL already has DUB and FRA as connection hubs. KLM I expect to see at some point in the forseeable, they are the masters of UK connections
You also have MAN up the road, and if a good chunk of the pre-TCX failure US network is recovered, is a big player too.
It makes all the sense in the world to launch a LHR-LPL route, but that won't work in the eyes of Tory Airways!!

[BACsuperVC10]

Think Loganair are the ones to launch an LHR connection, if ever.
Daily Embraer or ATR, perhaps on a W pattern, leaving about 06:30 and coming back for 14:00.

If BA ostensibly have half a brain, they would launch this route.
LPL already has DUB and FRA as connection hubs. KLM I expect to see at some point in the forseeable, they are the masters of UK connections
You also have MAN up the road, and if a good chunk of the pre-TCX failure US network is recovered, is a big player too.
It makes all the sense in the world to launch a LHR-LPL route, but that won't work in the eyes of Tory Airways!!


If there ever was a right time, it would be now , considering the Eurovision success.

[chaps1954]

Eurovision has nothing to do with it, it was one off and probably will never happen again in our life time, KLM in my opinion won`t come back as the Dutch government
are set to make it much more difficult to get slots or operate new services from Amsterdam.

[BACsuperVC10]

Eurovision has nothing to do with it, it was one off and probably will never happen again in our life time, KLM in my opinion won`t come back as the Dutch government
are set to make it much more difficult to get slots or operate new services from Amsterdam.


The interest by visitor will have grown from the event, its already one of the top UK cities for tourists to come to, this is expected to continue. Having said that id prefer Lufthansa to grow., i wouldnt discount KLM either. Easyjets offering is way under what it should be.

[SWBKCB]

Easyjets offering is way under what it should be.

Easyjets offering will be based on the response to the services they offer. Maybe they feel the support they get is way under what it should be?

[BACsuperVC10]

Easyjets offering will be based on the response to the services they offer. Maybe they feel the support they get is way under what it should be?

From 5 per day ( at one point ) to a regular 3 per day to a sudden 1 per day. No it isn't. Its way under supplied. It based on the fact they are using their aircraft on longer routes to Turkey. Demand doesnt drop just like that.

[chaps1954]

SWBKCB Correct if they haven`t got it right by now perhaps they should give up

[Rutan16]

Eurovision has nothing to do with it, it was one off and probably will never happen again in our life time, KLM in my opinion won`t come back as the Dutch government
are set to make it much more difficult to get slots or operate new services from Amsterdam.

Generally agree through KLC would certainly still be useful (Caveat the fact the later day Embraer engine problems and Dutch government green agenda)

Reality is and as I understand it Loganair have already spent (allotted ) all the lovely (blighted imho!) BMi remedy slots with consolidation of the Dundee, Derry and Highland services from other airports .

So unless they give up one of these (and two receive PSO grants !) you can forget it !

I haven’t looked (no need) but can anyone tell if Aer Lingus and their franchisee partners are offering competitive prices via Dublin today , through the schedules arent exactly conducive to a day return business meeting!

As to hey Eurovision was a success therefore we deserve flights to xyz a throw away platitude not worth a direct reply to be honest .

Actually I will. Such events have an immediacy and generate a tiny uplift in tourism and maybe a few weeks post event , this declines steadily after that as people “park” those memories as sociologists sometimes say.

In the case of Liverpool the range of interests are pretty self limiting - not uninteresting and certainly worth seeing and experiencing if you can; but to be honest a single trip will cover it.

People in millions from around the world will consider an afternoon in Stratford having done it once in a live time and never return- need I say anymore.

Liverpool isn’t a return venue (especially so for the time poor international traveler) other than day trippers from the neighbouring towns, clubbers on a night out , business conference/training sessions and occasional music concert (Same is true for Manchester to be honest).

Even the Maritime site has been delisted as a World Heritage site - Not a good thing is it?

[BACsuperVC10]

Generally agree through KLC would certainly still be useful (Caveat the fact the later day Embraer engine problems and Dutch government green agenda)

Reality is and as I understand it Loganair have already spent (allotted ) all the lovely (blighted imho!) BMi remedy slots with consolidation of the Dundee, Derry and Highland services from other airports .

So unless they give up one of these (and two receive PSO grants !) you can forget it !

I haven’t looked (no need) but can anyone tell if Aer Lingus and their franchisee patner are offering competitive prices via Dublin today , through the schedules arent exactly conducive to a day return business meeting!

As to hey Eurovision was a success therefore we deserve flights to xyz a throw away platitude not worth a direct reply to be honest .

Actually i will such events have an immediacy and generate a tiny uplift in tourism and maybe a few weeks post event , this declines steadily after that as people “park” those memories as sociologists and might imply.

In the case of Liverpool the range of interests are pretty self limiting (not un interesting and certainly worth seeing and experiencing if you can) and to be honest a single trip can cover most of it 9in a ge real touristy way) - Hey people in millions from around the world will consider an afternoon in Stratford having done it once in a live time and never return well need i say more.

Liverpool isn’t a return venue - other than day trippers from the neighbouring towns, clubbers on a night out , business conference/training sessions and occasional music concert (Same is true for Manchester to be honest).


Typical biased response from Mr Angry who has no knowledge of the city. Not worth a response .

[SWBKCB]

From 5 per day ( at one point ) to a regular 3 per day to a sudden 1 per day. No it isn't. Its way under supplied. It based on the fact they are using their aircraft on longer routes to Turkey. Demand doesnt drop just like that.

So they've moved them to routes that make more money? Heaven forbid...

[Rutan16]

Typical biased response from Mr Angry who has no knowledge of the city. Not worth a response .

Is that because you have no responses then ?

The final paragraph is exactly what the regional tourist industry sells !

Nothing negative just reality as opposed to relentless optimism sans foundation !

It applies to vast vast majority of British regional cities most tourism IS pretty locally generated . Could equally apply to similar cities anywhere in Europe as well - Parts of Nantes aren’t pretty either .

List of things to see in Liverpool ( according to Visit Liverpool )

Docks/ Maritime Museum Area
Ferry trip
Peaky Blinder Tours
Beatles Tours
Football stadium Tours
Shopping
And yes some nice eateries
And that night life and clubbing.

Yes you have some excellent galleries and museum no doubt - However few would make repeat long trips for those - caveat an occasional person to see a specific artist and exhibition - That said many of the touring ones will probably have other venues as will music events.

More interesting are the cities association with the slave trade and cotton and similar commodities on a global scale and the impact of the Industrial Revolution and canals and railways - All is shared and inextricably linked with the neighbouring cities and the North West identity.

A trip to the official Visit Liverpool web site implies a maximum entertainment experience would be 48 hours at a push , oh and then goes on to offer a range of other trips out of town to the likes of Chester, The Lakes , North Wales and laughably The Trafford Centre and indeed Manchester.

Thats not anger just cold headed reality

You need to grasp some critical thinking and develop interpersonal skills , read and stop attacking individuals .

Critique comments and offer alternative views .

[ATNotts]

Liverpool is in many ways similar to East Midlands Airport insofar as it is too close to a much larger airport and commercial centre that sucks in not only the principal European hub carriers but also, especially in the case of Liverpool (regarding Manchester) more than a sprinkling of major long haul airlines. EMA has struggled since it opened to attract and retain the likes of KLM, Air France, Lufthansa etc, though LH did codeshare with BMI Regional for a short while. At least LPL has attracted Lufthansa! The problem with these business routes is that the business traveller requires multiple daily frequencies that can be justified commercially at MAN and BHX but just won't work for LPL and EMA.

The market at both LPL and EMA is leisure, mostly outbound although Liverpool has more going for it inbound wise that Nottingham, Derby and Leicester combined. A surprisingly untapped market at LPL I would have thought is cargo, especially as a potential Northwestern hub for the integrators, but perhaps Peel aren't interested, or the likes of DHL, UPS and FedEx feel they can properly serve the region from EMA despite the lamentable state of UK road infrastructure.

[SWBKCB]

or the likes of DHL, UPS and FedEx feel they can properly serve the region from EMA despite the lamentable state of UK road infrastructure.

This! Check out Peels comments about attracting freight in last years DSA annual report.

[chaps1954]

Could do some Peaky Blinders tours round Stockport as well

[BHX5DME]

Could do some Peaky Blinders tours round Stockport as well
Birmingham surely !

[BACsuperVC10]

Liverpool is in many ways similar to East Midlands Airport insofar as it is too close to a much larger airport and commercial centre that sucks in not only the principal European hub carriers but also, especially in the case of Liverpool (regarding Manchester) more than a sprinkling of major long haul airlines. EMA has struggled since it opened to attract and retain the likes of KLM, Air France, Lufthansa etc, though LH did codeshare with BMI Regional for a short while. At least LPL has attracted Lufthansa! The problem with these business routes is that the business traveller requires multiple daily frequencies that can be justified commercially at MAN and BHX but just won't work for LPL and EMA.

The market at both LPL and EMA is leisure, mostly outbound although Liverpool has more going for it inbound wise that Nottingham, Derby and Leicester combined. A surprisingly untapped market at LPL I would have thought is cargo, especially as a potential Northwestern hub for the integrators, but perhaps Peel aren't interested, or the likes of DHL, UPS and FedEx feel they can properly serve the region from EMA despite the lamentable state of UK road infrastructure.

Stop attacking you do make me laugh. Someone with a history of it and banned because of it.

[laviation]

The vast majority of tourists will always fly into EDI, LHR/LGW
and then include places like Liverpool as an excursion on the train perhaps

The argument that LJLA doesn't get enough inbound tourists:
Without the VFR demand to the Middle East and the Subcontinent, Manchester is really just a huge leisure airport with a sprinkling of university traffic from China..
In the TCX/Virgin heyday all of those US flights were a result of tourism to the US, not from it.
Sadly being in the middle of the country makes a lot of these "London and Scotland and XXXX Northern area" trips quite difficult.
The regions sadly will always lose the inbound traffic, at least coming from the US.
Route networks are a good barometer of the tourism situation. Rather inbound areas like Edinburgh are doing fantastic while heavily outbound areas like the North West aren't doing so great.
I do expect, now Rishi has got the GBP-USD back from the crazy lows of the Truss era to a humble 1.25-1.26 and rising, we'll see an increase back to pre-COVID levels of outbound US tourism in a few years time. For now markets like Turkey and Greece will thrive

Manchester-Liverpool area has always had something going on for it inbound wise, definitely more than Birmingham, Leeds or Nottingham but not nearly as much as Edinburgh and London
The area has historically done well with specifically Norwegians going to the football. Liverpool supports Wideroe and Manchester gets flights with D8 to various secondary Norwegian cities. Perhaps if the airports advertised the footy tourism too that could work..

[ATNotts]

Stop attacking you do make me laugh. Someone with a history of it and banned because of it.
I am really sorry, that piece was intended as rational analysis.

There is nothing to attack at LPL, but the airport sits where it sits both in terms of its geographical location (too close to MAN) and in the CAA league tables. It serves its market quite well it appears, and having attracted Jet2 will do even better.

EMA suffers due to proximity to BHX, BHX suffers from being too close to MAN and London in general.

In point of fact to the best of my knowledge I have never been banned from AA&R. I have been given time out from a couple of JB threads.

[BACsuperVC10]

I am really sorry, that piece was intended as rational analysis.

There is nothing to attack at LPL, but the airport sits where it sits both in terms of its geographical location (too close to MAN) and in the CAA league tables. It serves its market quite well it appears, and having attracted Jet2 will do even better.

EMA suffers due to proximity to BHX, BHX suffers from being too close to MAN and London in general.

In point of fact to the best of my knowledge I have never been banned from AA&R. I have been given time out from a couple of JB threads.

Actually im.sorry my respose was not to reply to your post at all, it was to #307. Im not how it has happend. My apologies. I certainly agree with you with regards to the UK road network, shockingly bad, India is better, these days.

[chaps1954]

No quite a bit was filmed in Stockport as I actually watched some of it because we have the best theatre of its kind in the UK.

[TheFiddler]

Its not in Edge Hill and had the audacity to be built and funded in the support of Manchester council tax payers . Its a work in progress for heavens sake , and yes its a bloody long walk to the first pier (not unique try some of the T3 stands at Heathrow !)

There are a few here and in « tall towers » carrying simply prejudice without adding anything useful to the discord .

Caveat the MAG group continued work during COVID and hasn’t delivered a dividend whilst hemorrhaging cash -still investment and job creation for the NorthWest which is not to be sniffed at.

What has Peel delivered - a bloody Greggs !

Just visit the Manchester thread.

Starting with awful security, terrible terminal facilities / amenities (have you visited the toilets/) massive walks with not working travelators (unlike LHR T3) and no facilities at any of the gates...

And now, not T2 related, but single runway ops for the majority of the operating hours. It's a third world airport.

I won't comment further on here though as this is LPL, so please feel free to attack me over on the MAN thread.

[BACsuperVC10]

So they've moved them to routes that make more money? Heaven forbid...

Which is why a replacement os required

[chaps1954]

Fiddler That is most biased cr*p I have ever heard as you are miles behind the times now

[easyflyer83]

Typical biased response from Mr Angry who has no knowledge of the city. Not worth a response .

I thought it was a pretty balanced and accurate contribution.

[BACsuperVC10]

I thought it was a pretty balanced and accurate contribution.

iits not, but its the usual type of post from that individual on every platform he is on.

[TheFiddler]

Fiddler That is most biased cr*p I have ever heard as you are miles behind the times now

ROFL :-)

Leave LPL alone and come on the MAN thread to attack me.

I transit MAN every week. Do you?

[laviation]

EZY pulling Grenoble. This is the start of the pullout I think. Assumedly they'll move towards an away-based network..

[ib26uk]

EZY pulling Grenoble. This is the start of the pullout I think. Assumedly they'll move towards an away-based network..

One route gets pulled and you think its the start of the easyJet base closing?...

[eggc]

Some ITK peeps on Twitter predicting what comes next won't be liked by some people ( all very cryptic ) and then people are jumping all over that comment with similar "it is the begining of the end" type stuff. Personally I think the original comment probably means Grenoble shifting to MAN as it is unserved by EZY currently and nothing more to it than that. I could be wrong...we'll see....

[ib26uk]

After STN NCL and SEN closed, I imagined that they would close Liverpool base aswell during covid and remain with LTN, LGW, BRS, MAN, BFS, GLA, EDI in the UK....

Can we see easyJet closing Liverpool base and relocating planes to BHX and ALC.. .!?

[lfc84]

What's the route overlap between easyJet and Jet2 ?

[eggc]

Corfu, Kos, Crete, Faro, Alicante, Palma, Tenerife, Antalya, Bodrum and Dalaman. There are maybe another 10 or 12 EZY routes ex LPL that as of yet Jet2 have not released.

[scrapy]

Corfu, Kos, Crete, Faro, Alicante, Palma, Tenerife, Antalya, Bodrum and Dalaman. There are maybe another 10 or 12 EZY routes ex LPL that as of yet Jet2 have not released.
I'd expect Geneva, Salzburg and Grenoble to be launched in winter 2024.

[Mayfield62]

The Romanian airline DanAir is to commence weekly services from Liverpool to Bacau operating every Thursday from 14th December.

[Mayfield62]

Ryanair commenced services from Liverpool to Rovaniemi this week, and easyJet commenced services from Liverpool to Hurghada.

[allnamestaken1]

Does anyone know what kind of numbers were on the first flight to Hurghada from Liverpool.

[lplsprog]

95% full from all accounts.

[Mayfield62]

Aurigny is starting a thrice weekly service from Liverpool to Guernsey from 2nd April until 12th October.

[Mayfield62]

easyJet are to commence a twice weekly service (Mon & Fri) from Liverpool to Enfidha starting on 1st April 2024

[Mayfield62]

DanAir is to increase services between Liverpool and Bacàu from once to twice weekly effective 28th March 2024.

[Mayfield62]

Lufthansa is discontinuing services between Liverpool and Frankfurt after 2nd February 2024.

[SWBKCB]

Lufthansa is discontinuing services between Liverpool and Frankfurt after 2nd February 2024.

Strange date. Permanent or part of the seasonal cutbacks?

[Mayfield62]

Permanent, along with Bristol to Frankfurt.

[Mayfield62]

Some good news, Ryanair are to base a 5th 737 ( a MAX8) at Liverpool for Sumner 2024. New routes to Corfu (twice weekly) and Paphos (once weekly) will be added plus frequency increases on other routes.

A planned thrice weekly service betwern Liverpool and Newquay appear to have been scrapped as Ryanair wanted to use an Irish-registered aircraft to operate the route.

Brussels Charleroi and Paris Beauvais have both been dropped and Warsaw Modlin flights have yet to be loaded.

[eggc]

Permanent, along with Bristol to Frankfurt.

Not great news as a link to a hub is so needed, but must not be as important as we make out to passengers if they are not using said service. If KL and now LH both cannot make a hub link work then I don't think anybody ever will.

[Northsky]

Lufthansa have cut back a number of routes and frequencies due to lack of aircraft availability. Not necessarily to do with commercial performance. Infact, sales grew in line with forecast. I would expect to see it return once the new aircraft are delivered in the next couple of years.

[eye2eye5]

You may find that EI operate a hub link……..

[MANFAN]

There are known engine issues with the P&W engines installed on the CRJ aircraft which Lufthansa use on the Liverpool service, which will also affect some of their A320neo family aircraft, meaning they will be short of aircraft overall next year.
I’m sure this service will return once these issues are ironed out which is expected by 2026 at the latest…but hopefully Lufthansa will return before then…

[SWBKCB]

There are known engine issues with the P&W engines installed on the CRJ aircraft which Lufthansa use on the Liverpool service, which will also affect some of their A320neo family aircraft, meaning they will be short of aircraft overall next year.
I’m sure this service will return once these issues are ironed out which is expected by 2026 at the latest…but hopefully Lufthansa will return before then…

It will be interesting to see what sort of other routes have been dropped if it is a capacity issue (although ironically it comes the day after they order a load of A220's). Presumably those at the bottom of the pecking order.

[eggc]

You may find that EI operate a hub link……..

True enough, but you may find EI offers a tiny fraction of the worldwide reach that LH, KL, AF, BA etc offer and DUB is not in the same hub league as FRA, AMS, CDG or LHR as we all know. It might be OK for a handful of TA destinations but beyond that do EI send anything East these days ?

[eye2eye5]

I don’t disagree eggc, but the fact remains that Dublin is an important hub, particularly westbound. Factually, LJLA retains a hub link.

[eggc]

I don’t disagree eggc, but the fact remains that Dublin is an important hub, particularly westbound. Factually, LJLA retains a hub link.

Think we'd all have prefered LH as another option to EI/DUB. maybe if a/c shortage is an issue then LH may return as the perception was that loads were OK. We'll see...

[eye2eye5]

LH certainly provides the right options going east or south. Average Q3 load factor appears in line with LH published network average, although yield of course is unknown. Whether changes at Liverpool and Bristol are also related to the creation of the new Lufthansa subsidiary - and possible shortage of pilots - as well as aircraft shortages is moot. It’s brave of LH to order another 40 A220 in the light of Pratt issues imho.

[Mayfield62]

The only alternative, the Embraer 290/295E2, has the same problem.

[strawberry Ribena]

Reading indeed swissport are recruiting a jet2 service delivery manager for Liverpool. I’m guessing it’s for a year before they bring in their own staff and equipment

[Mayfield62]

Liverpool airport was closed this afternoon for a couple of hours due to a power failure affecting ATC and aircraft operations.

Two easyJet flights and one Jet2 flight diverted to Manchester. Other flights were severely delayed with a couple of cancellations.