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Gadget freak
4th Jun 2020, 08:38
Happy for substantiated fact based answers or total guesses. Approximately how many N reg aircraft do you think are currently based in the UK?

GF

N707ZS
5th Jun 2020, 06:53
If anyone knows a member of LAAS aviation there group has an online list which you used to be able to look at, it is now password restricted to members.

cats_five
5th Jun 2020, 11:36
If anyone knows a member of LAAS aviation there group has an online list which you used to be able to look at, it is now password restricted to members.

As it should be. Data protection and all that.

horatio_b
5th Jun 2020, 11:49
The last version of the LAAS aviation list which was publicly available (in 2016) contains 1007 N-registered aircraft, although this covers UK and Ireland in full and also includes many non-airworthy aircraft. No ownership details were disclosed.

roger4
9th Jun 2020, 19:44
The LAAS on-line list currently records 987 N-reg aircraft, but as horatio_b correctly states, this includes Ireland based aircraft and those in museums etc.

The ownership details including registered addresses of all N-reg aircraft are freely available on the FAA "N-Number" website.

Gadget freak
10th Jun 2020, 14:07
The LAAS on-line list currently records 987 N-reg aircraft, but as horatio_b correctly states, this includes Ireland based aircraft and those in museums etc.

The ownership details including registered addresses of all N-reg aircraft are freely available on the FAA "N-Number" website.
Good point. N-reg database has 761 registered to UK addresses, the vast majority with Southern Aircraft Consultancy. More than I thought there would be.
GF

Monty Niveau
10th Jun 2020, 20:45
And all on flags of convenience, circumventing proper regulation, and contributing to the problem, not the solution.

md 600 driver
11th Jun 2020, 18:16
And all on flags of convenience, circumventing proper regulation, and contributing to the problem, not the solution.

why are they circumventing proper regulation ?

Monty Niveau
11th Jun 2020, 19:10
Because international air law was set up to allow international transit, not to enable people to choose the cheapest, lowest common denominator option, and keep out of their regulators’ sight by flagging light aeroplanes out. The FAA are very clear that they don’t have, never will have, and don’t want to have, the resources to monitor N-reg light aircraft overseas.

jmmoric
12th Jun 2020, 11:26
As it should be. Data protection and all that.

They should do the same with the ADS-B signal.

Booglebox
12th Jun 2020, 15:54
Because international air law was set up to allow international transit, not to enable people to choose the cheapest, lowest common denominator option, and keep out of their regulators’ sight by flagging light aeroplanes out. The FAA are very clear that they don’t have, never will have, and don’t want to have, the resources to monitor N-reg light aircraft overseas.
Perhaps EASA should make it a bit easier to operate light aircraft in Europe then?

On a slightly different topic, would anyone like to take a guess at how much of a market is there for FAA flight training in Europe - both initial, and recurrent (flight review, IPC) ?

Monty Niveau
12th Jun 2020, 20:44
Perhaps EASA should make it a bit easier to operate light aircraft in Europe then?

Well, there are plenty of EASA-registered light aircraft flying in Europe, in fact many more than non-EASA registered, so it’s not impossible.

Many uninsured cars are removed from British roads every day. Any parallels there?

Big Pistons Forever
13th Jun 2020, 02:23
Because international air law was set up to allow international transit, not to enable people to choose the cheapest, lowest common denominator option, and keep out of their regulators’ sight by flagging light aeroplanes out. The FAA are very clear that they don’t have, never will have, and don’t want to have, the resources to monitor N-reg light aircraft overseas.

Funny how that “lowest common denominator” has as good a safety record as the platinum plated over the top UK and European regulatory regime......

md 600 driver
14th Jun 2020, 08:28
Funny how that “lowest common denominator” has as good a safety record as the platinum plated over the top UK and European regulatory regime......

it’s a shame EASA didn’t adopt the FAA FARs instead of making up a new set of rules
maybe the CAA will adopt them if we end up leaving EASA after brexit EASA hasnt had that good safety record up to now