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AyrTC
17th Jan 2020, 15:38
https://www.hial.co.uk/whats-hot/hial-announces-location-of-central-surveillance-centre-as-it-moves-to-next-phase-of-air-traffic-management-project/

HIAL have just issued a press release about their future operations. I hope the link above works. Basically downgrading PC and PL to AFISO and moving all other ops to an industrial estate just by the Kessock bridge. PB Radar will be moving there I presume to join PE Radar?
Sounds like a logistical nightmare.

Rgds
AyrTC

mike current
17th Jan 2020, 18:48
Well the future is coming whether we like it or not.. I don't think the service provision will suffer. If anything, if you have controllers cross valid on multiple remote towers this can improve resiliency and reduce the chances of closure due to shortages.

It's a shame regarding the remote units. Island life is not for everyone but those who enjoy it will miss it. And for those who would have considered it, it will no longer be an option. Some of those places are stunning and the lifestyle is unique.

chevvron
18th Jan 2020, 09:07
As for combining radar services in a single ops room, and sometimes providing those services at some distance from the ops room,there is nothing new about this, and I suspect that benefits of doing so are easily demonstrated. 'Remoting' surveillance systems and RTF is probably considered a pretty mature technology these days, and I doubt that cameras and other airport surveillance systems offer little additional challenge.

When I first became an ATCA at West Drayton back in '69, I read a report of a visit by some LATCC controllers (including the late Len Vass) to New York where they viewed the 'NY Common IFR' facility at (I think) Newark; that's where I first heard about the concept of combining approach services for several airports under one roof, so it didn't surprise me when years later, the 'Beeker Plan' (from its authors, Dave Beech and Al Parker) introduced the same concept to the UK which eventually became CCF then TC.
Course the RAF introduced a similar (but not quite the same) concept in the early '60s with Combined Approach Control (CAC).

AAK10
25th Jan 2020, 17:38
HIAL announced its plans to introduce a remote tower air traffic management system (ATMS) in January 2018 and since then HIAL staff, the Unions and key stakeholder groups have been kept informed on all aspects of the review from its inception. In October 2019, the HIAL Board gave authority to seek funding from Scottish Government to progress the ATMS programme. Following approval from Scottish Government, a Business Case was approved by the Board in December, along with a number of specific recommendations. The strategic programme decisions made by the Board moves HIAL into the implementation phase of the ATMS project and will allow detailed operational decisions to be made.

The key decisions covered:

Purchase of New Century House for the Combined Surveillance Centre

Airspace and Surveillance Options

Sumburgh Approach Radar Service

Air Traffic Service (ATS) Training

AirTraffic Service provision at Benbecula and Wick John O'Groats

Dundee ATC Position in ATMS Transition Plan

Operational / People Transition Plan

To ensure all staff and stakeholders were aware of the strategic decisions made by the Board, a concentrated programme of local engagement events were undertaken from 17th to 22nd January. These sessions were the start of the next phase of our ongoing engagement programme to ensure our staff, stakeholders and partners are kept up-to-date and able to input their views as we move forward with the programme.

The sessions were not detailed technical briefings but generated honest feedback and questions. The feedback helps us enormously and will allow us to direct our ongoing engagement as we seek input from staff, stakeholders and partners.

We have compiled questions from the different sessions and have included these in the Air Traffic Management Strategy area of the website.

Gonzo
26th Jan 2020, 17:10
Outwardly it seems the ‘engagement process’ is merely a ‘this is what we are doing, we won’t debate it or get your ideas about it. You have now been ‘engaged’’ process.

Chopper4
27th Jan 2020, 14:05
h ttps://prospect.org.uk/news/remote-towers-proposals-put-future-of-islands-air-services-at-risk/
h ttps://www.shetnews.co.uk/2020/01/23/cross-party-opposition-to-hials-remote-tower-plans/
h ttps://www.cne-siar.gov.uk/news/2020/january/better-options-available-in-atc-modernisation/
h ttps://www.orcadian.co.uk/mcarthur-urges-ministers-to-call-a-halt-to-air-traffic-control-centralisation/

Chopper4
18th Sep 2020, 09:31
An independent report carried out for Prospect into the Highlands and Islands Airport Limited (HIAL) plan to relocate all air traffic controllers to a central location at Inverness, has shown that the likely costs and risks of the project have been hugely under-estimated by HIAL.

The report was carried out by procurement expert Dave Watson and looked at the overall costs and risks of HIAL’s proposal. It also looked at the alternatives as well as the impact on local communities and the level of engagement.

HIAL is carrying out its own impact assessment but it states in the call for evidence that whatever the findings are it will be continuing with its plan to move to remote towers.

The key findings of Prospect’s independent report were:

The remote towers programme will take at least £18m of economic benefit from island economies
HIAL’s own scoping study identified the remote towers option as “the most difficult and risky to implement”.
HIAL have only published a redacted business case for the proposal. Implementation costs have already almost doubled to £33.5m with lifetime costs £70m higher than the status quo.
HIAL has failed to learn the lessons of an NAO report into IT procurement by the Scottish government with engagement and staff buy-in in particular well below optimal.
Early adopters of new technology like HIAL, not only face a risk of functionality but also that the technology is quickly updated.
Safety and operational concerns have been raised including, the breakdown of data transmission systems, cyber-security, weather assessment, impact on human performance and managing the need for ratings for more than one tower in a single shift.
The scoping study took place pre-COVID and does not take into account any potential impact of the pandemic on the aviation industry as a whole.


David Avery, Prospect negotiator, said:

“From day one HIAL have presented this as a done deal with negligible consultation, even less transparency, and bad faith.

“Prospect and its members in HIAL are not against reasoned changes to the technology and the operating procedures of air traffic control in the Highlands and Islands but these plans are not fit for purpose. The plans will remove vital high value jobs from communities which can little afford to lose them, totalling at least £18m.

“It is beyond belief that HIAL continue to press on with these plans, backed by the Scottish government, when the risks and costs are so plain to see. And that’s before we take COVID-19 into account. The plans were already questionable but with the aviation industry in crisis the risks are even higher and must be rethought.

“If the Scottish Government and HIAL continue with the remote towers plans it will be remote communities that pay the price. It’s no wonder places like Shetland are looking into self-rule when their needs are paid so little regard.”

AyrTC
27th May 2021, 15:56
Latest news

https://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2021/05/26/new-report-finds-major-failings-in-air-traffic-control-plans

Equivocal
28th May 2021, 00:15
Latest newsLots of words, well quite a few anyway, but I'm not really sure it actually says very much. Anybody with any detail?????

off watch
29th May 2021, 11:50
HIAL could try paying NATS to do the paperwork. Then when it's criticised, ask why it's ok for London City but not them ..........

elspread
29th May 2021, 11:55
Digital Scotland, which describes itself as “Scotland’s hub for digital transformation and innovation”, rated its confidence in the project being successfully delivered as “amber-red” after flagging 12 areas of concern in its technology assurance review “health check”.

From the press and journal (won't allow me to post the link)

Sounds like they should have paid someone else to do the paperwork! Any idea if Sumburgh Radar is up and running yet?

Fly Through
31st May 2021, 22:01
Any idea if Sumburgh Radar is up and running yet?

Nope, nope, nope. (Had to repeat myself to get it to post)

elspread
1st Jun 2021, 04:38
Nope, nope, nope. (Had to repeat myself to get it to post)
That doesn't bode well. Sumburgh radar was supposed to be the easy part. Quite why they wanted to take that on themselves when NATS did it for next to nothing is beyond me. Looking at the airspace change portal it seems like the Inverness application is still suitability shambolic. Why do HIAL make such a mess of these things? Can't see how they are so optimistic about using controlled airspace and cooperative surveillance at the smaller aerodromes if it's taken them seven years to progress Inverness CAS application to this stage.

AAK10
14th Jun 2021, 08:53
Rumour has it that classroom training for the start of the move over of Sumburgh Radar to HIAL took place last week and simulator training has started today!!

chevvron
15th Jun 2021, 05:30
Why do HIAL make such a mess of these things?
Because they're civil servants and part of the Scottish government and thus not ATCOs who would simply get on with it?:ugh:

Buster the Bear
16th Jun 2021, 01:19
There were adverts looking for staff to manage the project not long after the initial announcement. Safety Management transition. I’d imagine system redundancy and training would be crucial in gaining CAA approval, plus continuation of service and impact on customers. Basically rewriting everything including operational instructions. A mammoth task with much contracted out.

elspread
24th Jun 2021, 21:15
Rumour has it that classroom training for the start of the move over of Sumburgh Radar to HIAL took place last week and simulator training has started today!!

Any truth to the rumours that the CAA have stopped them and made them redo the transition training? I was tempted at one point to take a job there - glad I didn't now!

mike current
25th Jun 2021, 07:44
Any truth to the rumours that the CAA have stopped them and made them redo the transition training? I was tempted at one point to take a job there - glad I didn't now!

Don't know the specifics but I would be surprised if that was the case as normally the CAA have no clue of what happens at most units 😂

AyrTC
16th Jul 2021, 17:22
Strike announced over Inverness air traffic control plans https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-57833657

escaped.atco
29th Jul 2021, 23:17
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-57997274

So the strike went ahead. Been keeping an eye on this for a while, it appears management simply don't want to lose face? They already have their solution for the perceived problem and now have painted themselves into a corner where they can't accept that there have been genuine concerns raised. What a mess. I feel sorry for our colleagues who I am sure haven't entered into this action lightly - are ATC managers the same wherever you go?

OvertHawk
29th Aug 2021, 12:37
The "work to rule" seems to be continuing. BA flt INV to LHR a few days ago scheduled to depart at 19:20 departed 30 min late.

Explanation from Captain - Sorry for the delay but air traffic control at Inverness is closed from 19:00 to 19:45. No one to cover the controller break due to a work to rule?

C_M_I
29th Aug 2021, 15:00
The "work to rule" seems to be continuing. BA flt INV to LHR a few days ago scheduled to depart at 19:20 departed 30 min late.

Explanation from Captain - Sorry for the delay but air traffic control at Inverness is closed from 19:00 to 19:45. No one to cover the controller break due to a work to rule?

That’s a published closure and has been every day of the week since the start of the year due to a chronic lack of qualified controllers. Nothing to do with the industrial action. Perhaps BA and Easyjet shouldn’t schedule flights for when the airport is closed.

OvertHawk
30th Aug 2021, 07:26
That’s a published closure and has been every day of the week since the start of the year due to a chronic lack of qualified controllers. Nothing to do with the industrial action. Perhaps BA and Easyjet shouldn’t schedule flights for when the airport is closed.

Thanks for the clarification. I confess that i don't always check the NOTAMs when flying as pax!

AyrTC
8th Sep 2021, 08:19
Link to Scotsman article https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/snps-rotten-quango-system-how-highlands-and-islands-air-traffic-controllers-dispute-is-a-parable-for-our-times-brian-wilson-3370459#

Bigears
12th Sep 2021, 04:05
You may be interested in a 'TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE CONVENTION OF THE HIGHLANDS AND ISLANDS HELD ON MILLPORT ON 12 MARCH 2018' (https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/minutes/2018/03/convention-of-the-highlands-and-islands-meeting-papers-march-2018/documents/transcript-of-cohi-meeting-in-millport---march-2018/transcript-of-cohi-meeting-in-millport---march-2018/govscot%3Adocument/Transcript%2Bof%2BCOHI%2Bmeeting%2Bin%2BMillport%2B-March%2B2018.pdf) . Page 69 onwards.
I don't have a personal axe to grind, however I do think that the jobs should be local to the communities that they serve, and if the cameras are so good, just link them into the towers.
Other than that, I'll reserve comment (although itching!).

chevvron
12th Sep 2021, 08:19
I don't have a personal axe to grind, however I do think that the jobs should be local to the communities that they serve, and if the cameras are so good, just link them into the towers.
Other than that, I'll reserve comment (although itching!).
Local jobs imply locally recruited ATC staff; it might happen in a few instances but they would still need training at an 'approved' ATC school or college.
As for using remote viewing; there ain't no substitute for direct observation and communication between those in the tower and those on the apron; if your controller is many miles away, you can't just open a window and yell at the marshaller if you see things going wrong.

Nimmer
13th Sep 2021, 08:06
How naive we all are. Remote towers have nothing to do with ATC service, or local jobs, but saving cash and ensuring contracts are cheaper and retained.

mike current
13th Sep 2021, 08:13
As for using remote viewing; there ain't no substitute for direct observation and communication between those in the tower and those on the apron; if your controller is many miles away, you can't just open a window and yell at the marshaller if you see things going wrong.

Many medium and large sized airports operate at capacity or near enough capacity at night and/or in low visibility, without being able to see much or nothing at all.
With regards to shouting at the marshaller.. good luck with that, I thought they wore ear defenders against aircraft noise.. now it seems they can hear the controller shouting from the tower hundreds of meters away..

chevvron
13th Sep 2021, 08:33
Many medium and large sized airports operate at capacity or near enough capacity at night and/or in low visibility, without being able to see much or nothing at all.
With regards to shouting at the marshaller.. good luck with that, I thought they wore ear defenders against aircraft noise.. now it seems they can hear the controller shouting from the tower hundreds of meters away..
Always worked with our loud hailer.

HershamBoys
13th Sep 2021, 16:12
No way would I as a controller consider interfering with the work of a marshaller, TCO, or anyone on the apron. Not my manor, guv. I only "Assist in preventing collisions between aircraft on the apron." If my airfield is worth its salt, any staff operating on the apron are subject to their own apron rules and regs, with oversight from their company and, almost certainly, from the airfield safety team, who will conduct ramp audits on their performance and investigate reported incidents.
Use of remote tower technology can clearly deliver economic benefits, and delivers benefits in resilience. Like it or not, it is the way forward for economically challenged airport businesses.

HB

2 sheds
28th Sep 2021, 18:46
HB - could you elaborate on those last three claims?

2 s

AyrTC
25th Oct 2021, 11:17
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-59036886

HershamBoys
25th Oct 2021, 16:08
HB - could you elaborate on those last three claims?

2 s
Use of Remote Tower Technology negates the requirement for a dedicated ATS facility, with the 'not VCR' integrated into any office space you like, reducing building maintenance and operating costs. With COTS equipment that gets through a safety case, capital expenditure can be further reduced. It is my understanding that some airports have adopted RTT for their contingency facilities. As use of these facilities develops, I believe it is inevitable that they will switch from a contingency role to routine ops, allowing airports to remove their old ATS buildings and make more productive use of the space. With modular systems, they could be moved between locations, e.g. normal to contingency (subject to regulatory approval), offering more flexibility. To save staffing costs, you could even contract out services that are uneconomic to run (e.g. out of hours operations, low traffic airports) to adjacent ANSPs to run.

Gonzo
25th Oct 2021, 16:20
Remote Towers are very much dedicated ATS facilities with all the commensurate resilience, security and cyber requirements.

Yes, they can be ‘hosted’ physically within an office building, but it requires considerable assurance, design and engineering work to ensure that they are suitable as operational ATS units.

Physically ‘moving’ a remote tower facility, even if a contingency, and modular and identical in equipment fit, from one location to another is no mean task and is not cheap to effect.

mike current
25th Oct 2021, 16:35
Exactly Gonzo.

They are no different from the "remote" radar units we've been operating for decades.

HershamBoys
25th Oct 2021, 19:31
Remote Towers are very much dedicated ATS facilities with all the commensurate resilience, security and cyber requirements.

Yes, they can be ‘hosted’ physically within an office building, but it requires considerable assurance, design and engineering work to ensure that they are suitable as operational ATS units.

Physically ‘moving’ a remote tower facility, even if a contingency, and modular and identical in equipment fit, from one location to another is no mean task and is not cheap to effect.
I get the resilience, security and cyber requirements...by facility I meant a dedicated building. Unless you have a fairly new-build, maintenance and operating costs only ever go up. In respect of resilience, even if you go for a trailer mounted VCR, the outright purchase cost, replication the ATS kit, and AGL and navaid controls, plus UPSs and connection to the airfield circuit, can be prohibitive, to the extent that some airfields make the case that it is not worth the bother. I believe that over the long term RTT will prove to offer a better business prospect than the traditional ATS set up, but yes, the initial outlay will be considerable.

terrain safe
25th Oct 2021, 19:47
I get the resilience, security and cyber requirements...by facility I meant a dedicated building. Unless you have a fairly new-build, maintenance and operating costs only ever go up. In respect of resilience, even if you go for a trailer mounted VCR, the outright purchase cost, replication the ATS kit, and AGL and navaid controls, plus UPSs and connection to the airfield circuit, can be prohibitive, to the extent that some airfields make the case that it is not worth the bother. I believe that over the long term RTT will prove to offer a better business prospect than the traditional ATS set up, but yes, the initial outlay will be considerable.

Given the cost of setting up these facilities, it is only generally worthwhile if you are avoiding a completely new facility on an airfield, as they have to be constructed while still using the old facility, therefore, all new kit, etc as it would be difficult to move kit from one place to another, get it set up, tested and signed off without interrupting the operation even overnight. Of course, you also need a backup facility as well as ensuring the new facility also has security coverage. Generally, the old one on the airfield is airside so has security by dint of its location.

RIT is I believe only used in very quiet periods eg overnight and so would be difficult to implement at an airport that has a reasonable amount of traffic. Also, it will need a position to open if it gets too busy to run combined so requires extra equipment as well as a controller standing by to take over, thereby negating any staff saving.

Gonzo
26th Oct 2021, 05:30
I think Hersham Boys meant ‘RTT’ as Remote Tower Technology, rather than ‘Radar in the Tower’.

exlatccatsa
6th Jan 2022, 19:59
https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2022/01/06/hials-remote-tower-tender-process-cancelled/THE SCOTTISH Government has confirmed that the tender exercise for Highlands and Islands Airports Ltd’s (HIAL) controversial remote tower project has been cancelled.

This follows a joint announcement by HIAL and the Prospect union in October last year that following industrial action there was an agreement on a new way forward in the controversy over the airport operator’s plans to centralise air traffic control in Inverness.

AyrTC
7th Jan 2022, 07:13
Will this have an impact impact on the “Pentland Radar” concept and also taking Sumburgh Radar in house at Inverness or was that going into the existing Tower?
Rgds
AyrTC

OvertHawk
9th Jan 2022, 17:19
As i understand it (and i may be wrong) whilst the tower controllers will remain at the airfields the approach / radar controllers will still be centralised at Inverness. I think this was part of the agreement reached between HIAL and Prospect in October 2021 (Someone please correct me if i'm wrong)

This seems to make sense to me (after all it's been working fine for LHR / LGW / STN / LTN etc at Swanwick for a while!).

I expect the remote tower concept will go quiet for a few years then be resurrected once the radar hub is established and the remote tower technology has become more mature.

I imagine that finding controllers for these remote airfields who are satisfied to be tower only and not obtain or maintain their approach / radar qualifications will be a challenge (which may then be used as justification for introducing the, by then, more mature virtual tower technology).

2 sheds
9th Jan 2022, 17:37
I imagine that finding controllers for these remote airfields who are satisfied to be tower only and not obtain or maintain their approach / radar qualifications will be a challenge (which may then be used as justification for introducing the, by then, more mature virtual tower technology).

That only requires a little thought and ingenuity on the part of HIAL!

2 s

mike current
10th Jan 2022, 07:29
As i understand it (and i may be wrong) whilst the tower controllers will remain at the airfields the approach / radar controllers will still be centralised at Inverness. I think this was part of the agreement reached between HIAL and Prospect in October 2021 (Someone please correct me if i'm wrong)

There are no approach radar controllers in HIAL at the moment with the exception of Inverness. The plan was to bring Sumburgh radar in house (currently contracted to Nats in Aberdeen) and operate it from Inverness. All the other approach services as far as I know are procedural and co-located in the towers.
Are you saying that they're planning to turn them all into approach radar units?

OvertHawk
11th Jan 2022, 08:03
There are no approach radar controllers in HIAL at the moment with the exception of Inverness. The plan was to bring Sumburgh radar in house (currently contracted to Nats in Aberdeen) and operate it from Inverness. All the other approach services as far as I know are procedural and co-located in the towers.
Are you saying that they're planning to turn them all into approach radar units?

Not saying that at all - sorry.

I was clumsy in my use of the approach / radar wording. I meant approach or radar.

rodan
11th Jan 2022, 14:30
I can’t imagine HIAL will be centralising APP controllers at Inverness - are ADI and APP at some of these airfields not the same person, at least some of the time?

Regardless, this is excellent news. Congratulations, HIAL folks.

mike current
11th Jan 2022, 15:33
I can’t imagine HIAL will be centralising APP controllers at Inverness - are ADI and APP at some of these airfields not the same person, at least some of the time?

Yes it's the same person, and I also doubt this will change.
Thanks for the clarifications.

OvertHawk
11th Jan 2022, 16:25
Thanks for correcting my misunderstandings folks!
OH

Fly Through
12th Jan 2022, 18:00
So first of all, there are a bunch of approach radar controllers going through sim training to undertake the Sumburgh task, they’re at the new centre (an office building) in Inverness City.

Secondly it is HIAL’s stated intension to introduce a surveillance service at all it’s towered airports.

exlatccatsa
24th Jan 2022, 11:45
https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2022/01/24/hial-board-discussing-air-traffic-control-options-as-it-releases-breakdown-of-9m-spend/1 of 1AdvertisementTransport / HIAL board discussing air traffic control options as it releases breakdown of £9m spendhttps://www.shetnews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/avatar_user_8_1627070063-44x44.png (https://www.shetnews.co.uk/author/chris-cope/)
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24 January 2022 12:22


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Meanwhile the government-owned company has also now published the breakdown of its £9 million spend.This includes more than £2 million in project team staff costs, while the purchase of New Century House in Inverness – which would accommodate all aspects of the programme – set HIAL back £2.6 million.

HIAL set out to modernise air traffic control at Sumburgh, and a number of other airports in the region, by moving them to a central facility in Inverness and delivering services remotely.
https://mirror3.shetnews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/ATMS_Expenditure-470x1020.jpeg (https://mirror3.shetnews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/ATMS_Expenditure.jpeg)Image: HIALBut after fierce criticism, concern over island jobs and industrial action the project was paused to discuss alternatives in consultation with the Prospect union.

Earlier this year it was confirmed the procurement process.The £9 million spend figures, released this morning by HIAL, covers the period to 30 November 2021.

More than two thirds have gone on capital expenditure, including £324,051 on training simulator and centre set up costs.

The spend on the actual remote tower solution itself is just shy of £230,000, and this covers the procurement process.

Shetland MSP Beatrice Wishart previously said spending £9 million appeared to be “an expensive lesson” to learn that centralising air traffic control to a remote tower in Inverness “was not the most suitable [project] for the Highlands and Islands”.

Meanwhile chairman of Shetland Islands Council’s transport committee Ryan Thomson said it was an “ill thought out scheme”.
HIAL said in addition to releasing the expenditure figures that the ATMS project is a “complex and significant” management change programme, and that the remote towers element is one strand of this.

“The financial investment in the programme thus far provides a stable platform to move forward with the essential modernisation of air traffic services in the Highlands and Islands,” it said.

“The investment is already benefiting the organisation and providing resilience through the recruitment of seven Ab-initio staff (trainee air traffic controllers) for the modernisation programme and who are supporting operations for Sumburgh, Dundee, Wick and Kirkwall airports.”

The airport operator also said equipment and training has been used as part of the project for radar approach services at Sumburgh Airport.

The service is currently provided by NATS from Aberdeen but it will be delivered in-house at the end of the current contract.