View Full Version : True 100% Autoland. No Crew Input needed.
733driver
5th Nov 2019, 19:08
Cirrus and Garmin have just introduced Safe Return Emergency Autoland. if the sole pilot of the Cirrus Vision Jet becomes incapacitated, all a passenger has to do is hit the big red "land the airplane" button and the jet automatically turns towards the nearest suitable runway, taking terrain, obstacles and wether into account, squawks 7700, configures the aircraft, lands, and stops. Piper uses the same Garmin technology branded as "Halo", also integrated into the G3000 avionics suite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiGkzgfR_c0
DaveReidUK
5th Nov 2019, 19:36
all a passenger has to do is hit the big red "land the airplane" button
Colour-blind or dyslexic passengers need not apply ...
ScepticalOptomist
5th Nov 2019, 19:54
Very impressive to have the tech available in a light aircraft.
Nomad2
6th Nov 2019, 07:07
Really?
I'd love to know how it controls the power. Does this type of aircraft have an autothrottle, or some fadec-like control of the engine?
Sounds like an extremely useful innovation though- would save lives in its first year for sure.
Strumble Head
6th Nov 2019, 17:46
Or ones with that overwhelming urge to go 'ooh, what does that one do' - and then press it ...
ScepticalOptomist
6th Nov 2019, 19:09
Really?
I'd love to know how it controls the power. Does this type of aircraft have an autothrottle, or some fadec-like control of the engine?
Sounds like an extremely useful innovation though- would save lives in its first year for sure.
You didn’t watch the linked video, did you?
Autothrottle system and a whole bunch of airline tech - in a lighty. Pretty impressive if it all works as advertised.
ShyTorque
6th Nov 2019, 19:17
Passenger: "Damn - I think I might have forgotten to turn the gas off! Hang on..."
How does this fit in with airports who have declared that they will not accept emergency diversions?
Saw a similar demo with the Piper M600 turboprop. Apparently it has autopilot actuated flaps, autothrust, gear which enables the autoland feature. Interestingly enough the whole feature works completely without any machine learning or AI technique.
Found it again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-ruFmgTpqA
Centre line not between the main gear - fail, lol :E
bingofuel
7th Nov 2019, 08:34
How does this fit in with airports who have declared that they will not accept emergency diversions?
In an emergency, I would be landing regardless of what the airport management said.
How does this fit in with airports who have declared that they will not accept emergency diversions? To whom are they going to tell? It's passenger activated automatic emergency diversion. Unless NOTAM's can be added in diversions.
GlobalNav
7th Nov 2019, 16:51
Exciting capability, and it seems that it works, when it works. I wonder what the failure modes and contingencies for those are. Hard to imagine that it has the redundancies that LAND 3 does, so I wonder what the safety standards for these Part 23 aircraft will be. Will there be Special Conditions? Will industry draft and establish its own standards, which the FAA must bless?
There are a few FAA lines of business, I would think, that must be involved in approving this. Certification, of course, flight standards and ATC. I wonder what the timelines are and whether there is a regulatory advisory committee supporting the development of standards.