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gearlever
21st Jul 2019, 16:36
A question for the Boeing and Airbus engineers.
Is unusable fuel shown/included in the FQI?

Thx

Brian W May
21st Jul 2019, 19:43
As an ex flight engineer, unusable fuel should be in the basic weight and index IIRC.

gearlever
21st Jul 2019, 20:26
As an ex flight engineer, unusable fuel should be in the basic weight and index IIRC.

That's how I understand it as well (also ex FE).
Anyhow, what are the A&B FQI showing?
FOB including unusable fuel?
Yes, it's pretty academic, just asking.

DaveReidUK
21st Jul 2019, 20:42
For many years, the convention has been that fuel gauges are calibrated to read zero when there is zero usable fuel.

gearlever
21st Jul 2019, 20:46
For many years, the convention has been that fuel gauges are calibrated to read zero when there is zero usable fuel.

Makes totally sense to me.
Anyhow, can't find any "convention" about this issue.

Dave Therhino
22nd Jul 2019, 00:03
14 CFR 25.1337(b)(1). I believe EASA CS reads the same, but did not check.
Code of Federal Regulations

http://rgl.faa.gov/icons/collapse.gif (javascript:_dSectionCollapse('1'))Sec. 25.1337Part 25 AIRWORTHINESS STANDARDS: TRANSPORT CATEGORY AIRPLANESSubpart F--EquipmentInstruments: Installation
Sec. 25.1337

Powerplant instruments.

...
(b) Fuel quantity indicator. There must be means to indicate to the flight crewmembers, the quantity, in gallons or equivalent units, of usable fuel in each tank during flight. In addition--
(1) Each fuel quantity indicator must be calibrated to read "zero" during level flight when the quantity of fuel remaining in the tank is equal to the unusable fuel supply determined under Sec. 25.959;
(2) Tanks with interconnected outlets and airspaces may be treated as one tank and need not have separate indicators; and
(3) Each exposed sight gauge, used as a fuel quantity indicator, must be protected against damage.

Dave Therhino
22nd Jul 2019, 00:19
Just for clarification, you have to read 25.1337(b)(1) and 25.959 to understand the intent correctly.Sec. 25.959

"Unusable fuel supply.

"The unusable fuel quantity for each fuel tank and its fuel system components must be established at not less than the quantity at which the first evidence of engine malfunction occurs under the most adverse fuel feed condition for all intended operations and flight maneuvers involving fuel feeding from that tank. [Fuel system component failure need not be considered.]"

The unusable quantity of fuel in the tank is determined at the most critical attitude during which the tank is expected to be used (typically cruise for auxiliary tanks and low fuel go around attitude for main tanks), then the FQIS is set to read zero in level flight at the fuel level corresponding to that unusable fuel volume in level flight. This will typically mean that, if you are in level flight with no longitudinal acceleration, there is some additional fuel in the main tanks below the zero indicated level that is accessible by the pumps. Operators are not permitted to take credit for fuel below the zero indicated level toward their required mission or reserve fuel.

pineteam
22nd Jul 2019, 10:47
Few days ago, Vistara UK944, Airbus A320 touched down with 260kg of fuel in the tank and was on chock with 200kg with APU still running. So without a doubt the FOB displayed to the pilots is the usable fuel.

gearlever
22nd Jul 2019, 12:35
Thx Dave:ok:
Perfect.

inducedrag
22nd Jul 2019, 21:56
I used to fly A 330 with a sticker on instrument panel 330kg is unusable my question is was it Shown on fuel gauge as minis because we used to fly with required fuel as per fuel gauge was it correct?

gearlever
22nd Jul 2019, 22:15
I used to fly A 330 with a sticker on instrument panel 330kg is unusable my question is was it Shown on fuel gauge as minis because we used to fly with required fuel as per fuel gauge was it correct?

What did the tech log say?
MEL?