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TotalBeginner
10th May 2019, 09:18
Just wondering, why is the PAR VORDME (108.6) named PARADISI on the approach charts, but called RODOS on the STARs?
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Jonty
10th May 2019, 09:31
I think it’s a mistake. It’s not like that on my charts. PAR is PAR on all the SIDS/STARs and approaches.

Would need to to check on the Greek AIP.

TotalBeginner
10th May 2019, 10:03
I think it’s a mistake. It’s not like that on my charts. PAR is PAR on all the SIDS/STARs and approaches.

The ident seems correct on both, it's just the name label that's confusing.

RoyHudd
10th May 2019, 10:35
I thought the Greeks never make mistakes. At least that's what they say ;)

The Shovel
10th May 2019, 12:01
The morse is correct. Wasn’t there a thread a few weeks ago by MoTML asking about why it was still required to learn morse in these modern times?
You don't need to learn Morse code. You do need to follow the morse code as it beeps away though.
It is because on some aircraft (light aircraft, training aircraft, non glass cockpit), the only way to identify an aid is by the morse code ident.
Before Cadetships and MPL, you required to really learn how to fly.
The Old Times were Good times.

Captain Spam Can
10th May 2019, 12:24
You don't need to learn Morse code. You do need to follow the morse code as it beeps away though.
It is because on some aircraft (light aircraft, training aircraft, non glass cockpit), the only way to identify an aid is by the morse code ident.
Before Cadetships and MPL, you required to really learn how to fly.
The Old Times were Good times.

Quite right Shovel the ‘old man is the wise man’ and all that....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenerife_airport_disaster

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Cargo_Flight_8509

staircase
10th May 2019, 12:46
As soon as I looked at that Rhodes chart, I found myself wondering why the sun was up in the sky, and checking my watch to make sure it was not 02.00 hrs.

Check Airman
10th May 2019, 13:39
If you email Jepp, they'll fix it.

sierra_mike
10th May 2019, 13:39
greek AIP shows RODOS as name of both RDS and PAR on all the plates. my set of lido charts doesn't indicate a name for either of them, only identifier.

Banana Joe
10th May 2019, 13:47
That's why I always say the three letter ident in during RT.

Check Airman
10th May 2019, 13:50
greek AIP shows RODOS as name of both RDS and PAR on all the plates. my set of lido charts doesn't indicate a name for either of them, only identifier.

That's rather silly, especially as there appears to be an NDB in the vicinity with the same name. Somebody screwed up bigly!

Alpine Flyer
10th May 2019, 20:08
Neither Jeppesen nor Lido are error-free, even AIPs contain dubious stuff.

Chesty Morgan
11th May 2019, 06:06
That's rather silly, especially as there appears to be an NDB in the vicinity with the same name. Somebody screwed up bigly!
Not if you use the correct phraseology.

Mooneyboy
11th May 2019, 18:18
You don't need to learn Morse code. You do need to follow the morse code as it beeps away though.
It is because on some aircraft (light aircraft, training aircraft, non glass cockpit), the only way to identify an aid is by the morse code ident.
Before Cadetships and MPL, you required to really learn how to fly.
The Old Times were Good times.

The ‘old times’ also saw more accidents and fatalities!

Check Airman
11th May 2019, 18:27
Not if you use the correct phraseology.

How so? What does R/T have to do with it?

groundbum
12th May 2019, 09:30
How so? What does R/T have to do with it?

Tenerife anybody?

G

Check Airman
13th May 2019, 07:11
What does RT have to do with 2 navaids in with the same name, as in this example?