Another Kiwi Turnback

[wheels_down]

In light of the China events last week it seems our Kiwi friends run into more trouble.

As it was approaching Iran, they would not permit the A321 to overfly so it’s gone back to Germany.

Luckily had had the fuel to return, diverting into Iran would most likely result in nice new fresh airbus parts for our Iranian aviators!

[crosscutter]

In light of the China events last week it seems our Kiwi friends run into more trouble.

As it was approaching Iran, they would not permit the A321 to overfly so it’s gone back to Germany.

Luckily had had the fuel to return, diverting into Iran would most likely result in nice new fresh airbus parts for our Iranian aviators!

I don’t know where to start...so I won’t

[Capt Fathom]

Someone forgot to pay the bill for the overflight! It’s happened before, and it will happen again. No big deal, but an expensive error!

[Capn Bloggs]

Didn't realise those 321s had the range to do Germany - UnZed. They'll really give the NMA a run for it's money! :}

[PoppaJo]

First time forgiven, second time Tea and Biscuits with the CEO! Good luck to that person.

[AerocatS2A]

Presumably a delivery flight, if true.

[seven3seven]

Why not just go through Iraq instead?

[empacher48]

I believe NZ use a ferry company to fly their aircraft out from Europe. If that’s the case it’s not NZ’s problem, but the ferry company.

[6080ft]

The new A321 and A320s are being delivered by Air Nz pilots. There’s already been 3 successful A321 deliveries.

[Ken Borough]

Securing the appropriate overflight clearances and then routeing/flight planning/operating in accordance with those clearances is not exactly rocket science!

[compressor stall]

No Ken, but it might not be the first time that something got lost in translation at the receiving county's end. Correctly submitted paperwork can acquire errors. From first hand experience, the aircraft type was changed (at their end, the submitted paperwork was correct) and I had overflight clearance denied in flight despite having correct clearance numbers to hand. Fortunately it was easy to fly around and had the gas...

[601]

Securing the appropriate overflight clearances and then routeing/flight planning/operating in accordance with those clearances is not exactly rocket science!

I have experienced a refusal even though we could quote the applicable clearance details.

[Look Mum - no hands]

The new A321 and A320s are being delivered by Air Nz pilots. There’s already been 3 successful A321 deliveries.
3 out of 4 ain't bad I guess!

[Okihara]

For the less initiated amongst us, can anyone shed light on what happened with Air NZ and China?

Also: Are Iranians known for confiscating aircraft that overfly?

[Chris2303]

For the less initiated amongst us, can anyone shed light on what happened with Air NZ and China?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12202496

[27/09]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12202496 (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12202496)
Actually I don't think that article asked the right people, an aviation commentator and a veteran instructor?

I rather suspect it was more China flexing it's muscles than a paper work error. Probably under normal circumstances the paper work could have been easily rectified without any need for a turn back. China's not happy with any of the Five Eyes group of countries (banning Huawei from 5G projects) and saw an opportunity to make a point.

Air New Zealand had to take it on the chin, as saying anything different was likely to cause more pain.

As for the refusal by Iran for an overflight permission, once again possibly politics at play. Haven't we all (most of the western world) agreed to sanctions on Iran? Perhaps they were getting one back.

After all one of the major shareholders in Air New Zealand is the New Zealand government.. A hit at Air New Zealand might be seen as a hit at the New Zealand government.

[RevMan2]

It was a paperwork error.
China requires every aircraft operating to Chinese airports to be pre-registered with the authorities.
This aircraft wasn't and hadn't - up until last week - operated to China, being a config developed for the N. American market.
Someone dropped the ball.

[Going Boeing]

Why not just go through Iraq instead?

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1806x1339/23c066ab_f008_485d_b1d3_5f62103a9293_747f52d8e2707e8b0aff7f0 ceffdb39ed6249a55.jpeg
It’s an interesting area to fly through.

[Capt Fathom]

What is the source of that map G Boeing?
The red areas is where all of the Asia-Europe traffic now transverses??

[Going Boeing]

It’s a snapshot of what the Jeppeson App is currently showing.