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Another Kiwi Turnback

Old 16th Feb 2019, 07:03
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Another Kiwi Turnback

In light of the China events last week it seems our Kiwi friends run into more trouble.

As it was approaching Iran, they would not permit the A321 to overfly so itís gone back to Germany.

Luckily had had the fuel to return, diverting into Iran would most likely result in nice new fresh airbus parts for our Iranian aviators!
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 09:24
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Originally Posted by wheels_down View Post
In light of the China events last week it seems our Kiwi friends run into more trouble.

As it was approaching Iran, they would not permit the A321 to overfly so itís gone back to Germany.

Luckily had had the fuel to return, diverting into Iran would most likely result in nice new fresh airbus parts for our Iranian aviators!
I donít know where to start...so I wonít
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 09:57
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Someone forgot to pay the bill for the overflight! It’s happened before, and it will happen again. No big deal, but an expensive error!
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 11:07
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Didn't realise those 321s had the range to do Germany - UnZed. They'll really give the NMA a run for it's money!
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 14:53
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First time forgiven, second time Tea and Biscuits with the CEO! Good luck to that person.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 19:09
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Presumably a delivery flight, if true.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 22:10
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Why not just go through Iraq instead?
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 06:35
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I believe NZ use a ferry company to fly their aircraft out from Europe. If thatís the case itís not NZís problem, but the ferry company.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 07:18
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The new A321 and A320s are being delivered by Air Nz pilots. There’s already been 3 successful A321 deliveries.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 07:30
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Securing the appropriate overflight clearances and then routeing/flight planning/operating in accordance with those clearances is not exactly rocket science!
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 07:55
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No Ken, but it might not be the first time that something got lost in translation at the receiving county's end. Correctly submitted paperwork can acquire errors. From first hand experience, the aircraft type was changed (at their end, the submitted paperwork was correct) and I had overflight clearance denied in flight despite having correct clearance numbers to hand. Fortunately it was easy to fly around and had the gas...

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Old 17th Feb 2019, 13:12
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Securing the appropriate overflight clearances and then routeing/flight planning/operating in accordance with those clearances is not exactly rocket science!
I have experienced a refusal even though we could quote the applicable clearance details.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 23:22
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Originally Posted by 6080ft View Post
The new A321 and A320s are being delivered by Air Nz pilots. Thereís already been 3 successful A321 deliveries.
3 out of 4 ain't bad I guess!
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 23:36
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For the less initiated amongst us, can anyone shed light on what happened with Air NZ and China?

Also: Are Iranians known for confiscating aircraft that overfly?
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 23:53
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Originally Posted by Okihara View Post
For the less initiated amongst us, can anyone shed light on what happened with Air NZ and China?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12202496

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Old 18th Feb 2019, 09:50
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Actually I don't think that article asked the right people, an aviation commentator and a veteran instructor?

I rather suspect it was more China flexing it's muscles than a paper work error. Probably under normal circumstances the paper work could have been easily rectified without any need for a turn back. China's not happy with any of the Five Eyes group of countries (banning Huawei from 5G projects) and saw an opportunity to make a point.

Air New Zealand had to take it on the chin, as saying anything different was likely to cause more pain.

As for the refusal by Iran for an overflight permission, once again possibly politics at play. Haven't we all (most of the western world) agreed to sanctions on Iran? Perhaps they were getting one back.

After all one of the major shareholders in Air New Zealand is the New Zealand government.. A hit at Air New Zealand might be seen as a hit at the New Zealand government.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 04:54
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It was a paperwork error.
China requires every aircraft operating to Chinese airports to be pre-registered with the authorities.
This aircraft wasn't and hadn't - up until last week - operated to China, being a config developed for the N. American market.
Someone dropped the ball.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 09:08
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Why not just go through Iraq instead?

Itís an interesting area to fly through.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 09:56
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What is the source of that map G Boeing?
The red areas is where all of the Asia-Europe traffic now transverses??
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 18:20
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It’s a snapshot of what the Jeppeson App is currently showing.
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