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A0283
23rd Nov 2018, 09:51
November, 22nd, 2018 Flight from Cuzco to La Paz, PoB 2+3+122. Skids off runway on landing. No injuries. Airport closed for a few hours. Crane used to lift the plane. Pilots did not issue any warning before landing.
hoss183
23rd Nov 2018, 10:16
What kind of warning would you expect?
You think they planned to overshoot, or would make an announcement whilst trying wrestle the a/c to a stop?
Del Prado
23rd Nov 2018, 10:23
What kind of warning would you expect?
You think they planned to overshoot, or would make an announcement whilst trying wrestle the a/c to a stop?

Hydraulics. Braking, steering issues. That kind of thing.....
Blohm
23rd Nov 2018, 11:06
Appears to be an ELP issue. I am sure he is level 6.
A0283
24th Nov 2018, 19:41
@hoss
Pilots did not issue any warning before landing. .. was the exact text used in the earliest reporting. Little more information at that time. .. To me that suggested there were no previous issues that triggered either an ATC or cabin warning before landing, no more no less. To me your remark suggests you have factual information that issues only came up after TD?, if so, it would be interesting to share that information.
hoss183
24th Nov 2018, 20:14
@hoss
.. was the exact text used in the earliest reporting. Little more information at that time. .. To me that suggested there were no previous issues that triggered either an ATC or cabin warning before landing, no more no less. To me your remark suggests you have factual information that issues only came up after TD?, if so, it would be interesting to share that information.
Ahh if your original post was taken from a report then its best to put it in quotes, otherwise it seems like your words.
JanetFlight
25th Nov 2018, 07:25
Deja vu anyone..???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tudrnDUS4Hk
A0283
25th Nov 2018, 14:15
@Hoss... :ok:
broadreach
25th Nov 2018, 19:38
JanetFlight, worth clarifying that the video you posted refers to the Peruvian Airlines 737 runway departure and subsequent fire while landing at Jauja on 26 March 2017.
73qanda
25th Nov 2018, 20:03
I would like to see a chronologically ordered list of all runway excursions for the last decade.
From poking ones nose into the grass, to a high speed over run. The whole lot.
Does any organisation collate this data? Flight Safety Foundation? ICAO?
BluSdUp
25th Nov 2018, 20:10
73quanda
I bet You good money Boeing is King on that one, with the 737 the ultimate winner!
broadreach
25th Nov 2018, 22:09
The AvHerald thread on this accident has a post by someone who says he/she was a passenger on the flight, and who comments that the landing at El Alto was relatively smooth. For what it's worth, on a Peruvian news site, elcomercio.com.pe, a Lima > La Paz passenger says the en-route landing at Cuzco was very hard. Would it be reasonable to begin looking at main gear shimmy and collapse as a possible/probable cause?
JanetFlight
26th Nov 2018, 09:07
JanetFlight, worth clarifying that the video you posted refers to the Peruvian Airlines 737 runway departure and subsequent fire while landing at Jauja on 26 March 2017.

Hence the reason i called it "Deja vu" ;)
pattern_is_full
26th Nov 2018, 13:46
I would like to see a chronologically ordered list of all runway excursions for the last decade.
From poking ones nose into the grass, to a high speed over run. The whole lot.
Does any organisation collate this data? Flight Safety Foundation? ICAO?

Here's one: https://aviation-safety.net/database/events/event.php?code=LT

Does require some "mental filtering" to figure out the exact outcome. Accident vs. incident, conditions, operator quality, etc.

BTW (speaking of "by a nose") - just yesterday: Incident: Garuda B738 at Yogyakarta on Nov 25th 2018, overran runway on landing (http://avherald.com/h?article=4c0c8eb9&opt=0)
CurtainTwitcher
27th Nov 2018, 02:02
I would like to see a chronologically ordered list of all runway excursions for the last decade.
From poking ones nose into the grass, to a high speed over run. The whole lot.
Does any organisation collate this data? Flight Safety Foundation? ICAO?

EASA did a big study on this, probably what you want, not a global study, but they do benchmark Europe against the ROW and I'm sure the references will give a suitable point of departure: Runway Excursions study: European perspective (http://www.skybrary.aero/bookshelf/books/2069.pdf).