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underfire
7th Oct 2018, 12:56
"Delta Air Lines’ first A220-100 took off on its first flight from Mirabel airport, Québec, at 02:02 p.m. local time. The aircraft was crewed by A220 programme test pilots. During successful 2 hour and 53 minutes flight, the crew checked the aircraft’s main systems and landed back in Mirabel at 04:55 p.m.
The flight took place a few days after the aircraft rolled out of the paint shop. Next, the aircraft will continue with pre-delivery testing and assembly, as elements of its state-of-the-art interior come together at the A220 assembly line. Delta’s first A220 is scheduled to begin service in early 2019."
ummmmm..no interior?
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1920x1280/a220_100_delta_air_lines_take_off_61c1c198ed5a7a0b5d07cdeb03 1d0b47f7f365a8.jpg
IBMJunkman
7th Oct 2018, 14:20
They are still trying to figure out how many seats to put in. The more the better. For the bottom line, that is.
underfire
7th Oct 2018, 14:31
ahhh, after Boeings interior supply issues, was wondering if that was similar.
hunbet
7th Oct 2018, 16:33
"ummmmm..no interior?"
Pre-delivery testing the A/C would be filled with equipment required for testing.
DaveReidUK
7th Oct 2018, 17:25
It has been scientifically proven that an aircraft only requires an exterior in order to be able to fly ...
Sailvi767
7th Oct 2018, 19:56
They are still trying to figure out how many seats to put in. The more the better. For the bottom line, that is.
They have planned 107 seats from just after the order was announced.
Intruder
7th Oct 2018, 21:31
"ummmmm..no interior?"
Pre-delivery testing the A/C would be filled with equipment required for testing.
Not likely. Once in production, there is no test equipment installed in an airplane. Such equipment is only installed for certification testing.
OTOH, in many cases the airplane is delivered without the interior installed, as with the new deal Boeing has with China. They have their own paint and finishing plant, where they will install the interior.
underfire
14th Oct 2018, 18:08
Delay A220 just did test flight int Tampa intl Rw10. Nice looking bird trailing the cone
er340790
14th Oct 2018, 19:09
Anyone know what pitch that would be to achieve 107 seats???
Mad (Flt) Scientist
15th Oct 2018, 17:14
Not likely. Once in production, there is no significant test equipment installed in an airplane. Such equipment is only installed for certification testing.
OTOH, in many cases the airplane is delivered without the interior installed, as with the new deal Boeing has with China. They have their own paint and finishing plant, where they will install the interior.
A minor change added to your statement - there can sometimes be a need to fit some kind of extra recording device or break-in box or similar to facilitate production testing (although these days its more likely to be a "production test flight" option in software, somewhere, perhaps accessed via some kind of "cheat code"). But I'd agree that any such requirement wouldn't interfere with any kind of interior installation
Sailvi767
15th Oct 2018, 21:10
Anyone know what pitch that would be to achieve 107 seats???
Not sure exactly. Heard 40 in first. 34 in Economy comfort and 31 in straight coach. Slimline seats should make the 31 equal to just over 32 if the seats were conventional.
DaveReidUK
15th Oct 2018, 21:43
Anyone know what pitch that would be to achieve 107 seats???
There is only one current CS100/A220-100 operator - Swiss - and the Seatguru website rather unhelpfully quotes their seat pitch as "30-32 inches",with 125 seats in 25 5-abreast rows.
Delta's 107 seats could suggest perhaps 3 four-abreast rows up front plus 19 5-abreast rows, i.e. 22 rows in total (other suggestions are available). Three fewer rows would provide around 90 inches of extra pitch to be distributed over the F and PE (and possibly even Y) rows.
msbbarratt
18th Oct 2018, 21:47
Things are looking rosy! Considering a year ago we were all rather wondering whether BBD would survive the tariffs Boeing lobbied for, here we all are anxiously wondering what Delta's cabin config will be, and it's called the A220.
Presumably now that Delta's is beginning to fly, they're going to get a good handle on just what it can do for them, see if the numbers are what BBD / Airbus said. If so, they're probably looking forward to some sort of price advantage in the ticket selling business, which must be giving their marketing people a happy feeling of anticipation. It has to be dead easy to sell tickets if you can undercut the opposition without denting net revenue, especially as there's a prospect that passenger feedback will be good too.
procede
19th Oct 2018, 21:27
It has been scientifically proven that an aircraft only requires an exterior in order to be able to fly ...
Fuel in the interior of the wing tends to improve performance.
westonfla
19th Oct 2018, 21:41
There is only one current CS100/A220-100 operator - Swiss - and the Seatguru website rather unhelpfully quotes their seat pitch as "30-32 inches",with 125 seats in 25 5-abreast rows.
Delta's 107 seats could suggest perhaps 3 four-abreast rows up front plus 19 5-abreast rows, i.e. 22 rows in total (other suggestions are available). Three fewer rows would provide around 90 inches of extra pitch to be distributed over the F and PE (and possibly even Y) rows.
Air Baltic has a dozen A220 (CS300) in their fleet since 2016. In 2016 orders from Delta offered a real lifeline, I guess. In the US, as another future A220 operator, JetBlue ordered 60 A220-300s.
RufusXS
18th Nov 2018, 17:00
Just saw one taxi to the gate at DAB, N101DU.https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x806/1e5c6823_e137_4180_9fec_e695b7feb0cb_cddb3368f98f8fce5664cbc af929bf1d183aba89.jpeg
DaveReidUK
18th Nov 2018, 18:39
Delta's 107 seats could suggest perhaps 3 four-abreast rows up front plus 19 5-abreast rows, i.e. 22 rows in total (other suggestions are available). Three fewer rows would provide around 90 inches of extra pitch to be distributed over the F and PE (and possibly even Y) rows.
Seatguru has been updated with the DL CS1 configuration, which actually shows 109 rather than 107 seats.
Layout is as described above, plus an extra triple at the rear and a double instead of triple at the RH overwing emergency exit. F class pitch is 36" and PE 34".
WillFlyForCheese
19th Nov 2018, 17:48
Video of that flight, with ATC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeBXOoyYvtg
RufusXS
19th Nov 2018, 21:52
Here it is at DAB Nov 18th. Good looking aircraft in person (sorry for missing the front).https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x806/77717908_8ef1_4854_ae1a_190bdea6b0ef_40d8dbe5e7c391fc62418f4 c6abfe77ce0d4924a.jpeg
surely not
20th Nov 2018, 07:55
Is it just me or does the nose have to look of the Caravelle, but cleaned up?
His dudeness
20th Nov 2018, 07:58
Is it just me or ....
Its just you.
R04stb33f
20th Nov 2018, 08:01
Just a quick note - some aircraft are manufactured with parts of the interior installed before the fuselage sections are joined. Some modules / components are too large to fit through the doors.
DaveReidUK
20th Nov 2018, 08:28
Here it is at DAB Nov 18th. Good looking aircraft in person (sorry for missing the front).
That's OK, at least you made up for it by showing us the rest of the aircraft twice. :O
RufusXS
20th Nov 2018, 13:36
That's OK, at least you made up for it by showing us the rest of the aircraft twice. :O
yeah, sorry, the edited earlier post doesn’t move to the bottom so I just posted it again.
The nose actually reminded me of a 78.
The nose actually reminded me of a 78.
Not just me then. First thought was that tractor is huge pulling the 787...
rationalfunctions
21st Nov 2018, 07:22
I see that the reg number has already changed since first flight. Are Delta going to follow a similar reg pattern to their A350s e.g. N101DU, N102DU, N103DU etc...?
DaveReidUK
21st Nov 2018, 08:23
I see that the reg number has already changed since first flight.
It first flew on a Canadian registration, for obvious reasons.
Are Delta going to follow a similar reg pattern to their A350s e.g. N101DU, N102DU, N103DU etc...?
Only one registered so far, but in all likelihood they will attempt to do that. Though, as with the A350s, they will have to adjust a few:
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/512x342/n108du_d0cb3b25942b825aae9688ff26f4c711f4c9d64c.jpg
FlyXLsa
13th Jan 2019, 19:12
I "need" to fly this thing if only for the window in the head! :D
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/550x540/screen_shot_2019_01_13_at_3_09_22_pm_38938572b10e21c10f4480c 45c7f69df8b3f7858.png
Ian W
14th Jan 2019, 13:21
The aircraft is doing regular 'proving' flights KATL - KDAB and multiple other airports with the callsign currently DL9964.
DaveReidUK
14th Jan 2019, 14:27
The aircraft is doing regular 'proving' flights KATL - KDAB and multiple other airports with the callsign currently DL9964.
All four of the aircraft delivered to date seem to have performed only those DL99xx proving flights so far.
PAXboy
14th Jan 2019, 16:55
Is the first stretch done yet? With those wings and donks, it is obviously designed to be 'plugged up'.
DaveReidUK
14th Jan 2019, 17:29
Is the first stretch done yet? With those wings and donks, it is obviously designed to be 'plugged up'.
The CS300 is a stretched CS100.
Sailvi767
14th Jan 2019, 17:44
Is the first stretch done yet? With those wings and donks, it is obviously designed to be 'plugged up'.
Delta just changed their order from 75 to 90 with the last 50 being the 300 or stretch version.