Derry/Londonderry 2

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for January 2019:

LDY movements:

566 (2019) = 66%

341 (2018)

Passenger numbers:

14,536 (2019) = 0%

14,595 (2018)

Passengers per route:

- GLASGOW = 740 = -87%
- LIVERPOOL = 4951 = -2%
- LONDON (STN) = 3210 = -12%
- EDINBURGH = 5285 = (NEW)
- AKUREYRI = 366 = (CHARTER)

Load Factors:

- GLASGOW = 47%
- LIVERPOOL = 77%
- LONDON (STN) = 63%
- EDINBURGH = 67%
- AKUREYRI = 84%

Year Rolling:

Passengers: 185784

(Edited with Thanks to cuthere)

[cuthere]

Thanks for the stats, Fly757. The one that slipped through was Akureyri, which totalled 366 on the rtn flight. 183 each way, justifying the Titan 757. Interestingly, the same charter operated from Cardiff, but totalled 266 pax. Well done CoDA on this one. A success.

[Fly757X]

Thanks for the stats, Fly757. The one that slipped through was Akureyri, which totalled 366 on the rtn flight. 183 each way, justifying the Titan 757. Interestingly, the same charter operated from Cardiff, but totalled 266 pax. Well done CoDA on this one. A success.

Completely forgot that and that was G-POWN, a A321-211.

[cuthere]

Ah! Cheers. Had it in my head it was a 757 for some reason. Good loads all the same.

[Fly757X]

Ah! Cheers. Had it in my head it was a 757 for some reason. Good loads all the same.

SEN/IOM/NQY got the 752.

[Fly757X]

Ryanair's W19/20 schedule has stayed the same for both EDI/LPL.

[Amelia Earhart]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47481843

Unfortunate for BFS but surely the reduction in services to Stansted and Manchester must be good news for LDY.

[Fly757X]

Will be very minimal I would imagine.

[OneBellEnd]

EZY adding more flights BFS MAN, likely more STN too.

[cuthere]

EZY adding more flights BFS MAN, likely more STN too.

The reason I, and no doubt the thousands of others each month, use LDY-STN is purely out of convenience. If I need to be in London by 10am what are my options? Get a taxi to LDY which takes 15 mins, or get to BFS two hours before departure (in total leaving home 3.5 hours before departure - ~3am). Add to that the fact that LDY is a delight to use. Unlike BFS, and with the reduction in security lanes until mid-month, it’s likely to be even more miserable. Therefore, the fact EZY are cheaper doesn’t come into it for many.

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for January 2019:

LDY movements:

566 (2019) = 66%

341 (2018)

Passenger numbers:

14,536 (2019) = 0%

14,595 (2018)

Passengers per route:

- GLASGOW = 740 = -87%
- LIVERPOOL = 4951 = -2%
- LONDON (STN) = 3210 = -12%
- EDINBURGH = 5285 = (NEW)
- AKUREYRI = 366 = (CHARTER)

Load Factors:

- GLASGOW = 47%
- LIVERPOOL = 77%
- LONDON (STN) = 63%
- EDINBURGH = 67%
- AKUREYRI = 84%

Year Rolling:

Passengers: 185784

(Edited with Thanks to cuthere)

Edited as of 18/03/19 to include movements.

[Fly757X]

LM 0584/585 (LDY-MAN/MAN-LDY) goes to Daily between 29/6/19 and 31/8/19.

[El Bunto]

LM 0584/585 (LDY-MAN/MAN-LDY) goes to Daily between 29/6/19 and 31/8/19.

If ever there was a good reason to phase-out IATA codes, Lady Man and Man Lady must be it...

[Fly757X]

If ever there was a good reason to phase-out IATA codes, Lady Man and Man Lady must be it...

Ah yes, should've realised that!

[bad bear]

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/588x366/screenshot_2019_03_19_at_17_16_37_11985afa88f760efca235d6e6c 2e0ae2af8afcd5.png
interesting to see how the forecast passenger figures compare to the current ones

[Fly757X]

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/588x366/screenshot_2019_03_19_at_17_16_37_11985afa88f760efca235d6e6c 2e0ae2af8afcd5.png
interesting to see how the forecast passenger figures compare to the current ones

I assume this was part of their master plan from 2011 I think?

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for February 2019:

LDY movements:

378 (2019) = +16%

327 (2018)

Passenger numbers (Note: As of 28-03-19 STN numbers haven't been released):

13,865 (2019) = -7% (As of 28-03-19)

14,977 (2018)

Passengers per route:

- GLASGOW = 913 = -85%
- LIVERPOOL = 5240 = -2%
- LONDON (STN) = TBD = TBD
- EDINBURGH = 5857 = -2% When compared to GLA from FEB18.

Load Factors:

- GLASGOW = 66%
- LIVERPOOL = 87%
- LONDON (STN) = TBD
- EDINBURGH = 77%


Year Rolling:

Passengers: 184672

[cuthere]

Chat recently between Mark Patterson, Radio Foyle, and Loganair. Apparently next on the menu for LM is a LDY-EMA route. Decent little network they’re setting up from Derry

[Fly757X]

Chat recently between Mark Patterson, Radio Foyle, and Loganair. Apparently next on the menu for LM is a LDY-EMA route. Decent little network they’re setting up from Derry

Do you have a link to it, I've been looking for it but I can't find it?

[cuthere]

It’ll likely be on iPlayer, but in the meantime, check his post from 12.31 yesterday on his Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/markpattersonshow

[Fly757X]

It’ll likely be on iPlayer, but in the meantime, check his post from 12.31 yesterday on his Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/markpattersonshow

Just got it there. Cheers!

[cuthere]

More here. Weekend Jersey could be on the cards, too:

https://www.derryjournal.com/news/active-talks-on-new-derry-airport-routes-1-8878993

[2Para]

Chat recently between Mark Patterson, Radio Foyle, and Loganair. Apparently next on the menu for LM is a LDY-EMA route. Decent little network they’re setting up from Derry
yes, it will be like heathrow lol

[cuthere]

Im pretty sure the word “little” was a perfectly accurate adjective for the subject matter.

Now. Who are you? DC9? Mutley? One wonders the brains behind your username when you haunt NI forums.

[Amelia Earhart]

Loganair interview in Derry Journal (https://www.derryjournal.com/news/active-talks-on-new-derry-airport-routes-1-8878993)

The above article mentions Loganair's plans for expansion at LDY. Specifically it mentions EMA.

But wouldn't BHX be better? It has 12M pax vs EMA's 5M.

BHX also has a train station.

[Fly757X]

Loganair interview in Derry Journal (https://www.derryjournal.com/news/active-talks-on-new-derry-airport-routes-1-8878993)

The above article mentions Loganair's plans for expansion at LDY. Specifically it mentions EMA.

But wouldn't BHX be better? It has 12M pax vs EMA's 5M.

BHX also has a train station.

I would assume lower fees at EMA are playing a part,

[2Para]

I would assume lower fees at EMA are playing a part,
EMA is just a freight airport.

[EZYMAN]

Yeah that’s why TUI Ryanair Flybe and many other Passenger prominent airlines fly there .... because it’s just freight airport

[Fly757X]

LDY Winter Schedules 19/20 as of 06/04/19.




https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1327x216/772495be25471e029aeba901a2870e24_2da9101c071cbd6558b74c61333 da31cb6bb133d.png

[Fly757X]

LDY Winter Schedules 19/20 as of 06/04/19.




https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1327x216/772495be25471e029aeba901a2870e24_2da9101c071cbd6558b74c61333 da31cb6bb133d.png

Sunday LPL times incorrect. Correct times are A2025, D2050.

[Balair]

It has been rumoured that Loganair are considering establishing a base at EMA. If that is the case, then an EMA-LDY route may be a possibility.

[OltonPete]

It has been rumoured that Loganair are considering establishing a base at EMA. If that is the case, then an EMA-LDY route may be a possibility.

Apparently EMA-BRU flight numbers and all appeared on the East Mids website before disappearing.

Loganair also no connection with BHX at all although no doubt they will be monitoring the Flybe situation closely if there is more changes to come.

Pete

[Fly757X]

Apparently EMA-BRU flight numbers and all appeared on the East Mids website before disappearing.

Loganair also no connection with BHX at all although no doubt they will be monitoring the Flybe situation closely if there is more changes to come.

Pete

Form what I’ve heard it’s more than likely a 2nd LDY based frame, thus leading to more routes.

[Alteagod]

Well done to CODA on that one of true.

[Amelia Earhart]

Form what I’ve heard it’s more than likely a 2nd LDY based frame, thus leading to more routes.


If that is true then it is likely to be serving more than a single daily flight to EMA or wherever.

The current aircraft is serving twice daily to STN plus soon a single daily MAN flight.

[Fly757X]

If that is true then it is likely to be serving more than a single daily flight to EMA or wherever.

The current aircraft is serving twice daily to STN plus soon a single daily MAN flight.

The Loganair MD, Jonathan Hinkles, suggested thin(er) routes such as a once weekly summer seasonal to JER would be a potential much like the previous ones that operated in the late 90's minus the stop at St Angelo.

[cuthere]

There’s an echo in here.....at least one. :)

[Fly757X]

There’s an echo in here.....at least one. :)

I do apologise! :)

[cuthere]

Ha! No worries!

[Amelia Earhart]

The Loganair MD, Jonathan Hinkles, suggested thin(er) routes such as a once weekly summer seasonal to JER would be a potential much like the previous ones that operated in the late 90's minus the stop at St Angelo.


A once weekly summer route is not going to occupy a full schedule so the plans must be more substantial than that if they are indeed to base a 2nd aircraft at LDY.

[Amelia Earhart]

From the Loganair interview in the Journal, it appears the timescale for any further expansion is next year but it would also appear contingent on Loganair getting the Stansted PSO after the current interim contract ends. On the other hand is any other operator likely to be competing for it?

[BAladdy]

From the Loganair interview in the Journal, it appears the timescale for any further expansion is next year but it would also appear contingent on Loganair getting the Stansted PSO after the current interim contract ends. On the other hand is any other operator likely to be competing for it?
When does the interim contract expire?.

[Amelia Earhart]

The interim contract is limited by law to 7 months. It started at the beginning of March so terminates at the end of September.

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for March 2019:

LDY movements:

478 (2019) = -24%

629 (2018)

Passenger Numbers:

16,719 (2019) = +5.3%

15,884 (2018)

Passengers per route:

- GLASGOW = 1049 = -83%
- LIVERPOOL = 5808 = +2%
- LONDON (STN) = 3,094 = -20%
- EDINBURGH = 6755 = +8.7% When compared to GLA from MAR18.

Load Factors:

- GLASGOW = 57%
- LIVERPOOL = 85%
- LONDON (STN) = 55%
- EDINBURGH = 77%


Year Rolling:

Passengers: 185,507

[Fly757X]

First LM584 is due to leave in 2 mins to MAN.

[scodaman]

Any word on the LF for the Manchester flights so far?

[Fly757X]

Any word on the LF for the Manchester flights so far?

They look really good, 44 outbound on Friday, Full inbound and 46 outbound today.

[Fly757X]

CoDA has been shortlisted for two awards...

https://www.aviationawards.ie/shortlist

[Danmadole]

I hear the stranded BMi Embraer was fired up yesterday. Departure imminent?

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for April 2019:

LDY movements:

462 (2019) = -15%

543 (2018)

Passenger Numbers:

15,887 (2019) = +6%

14,988 (2018)

Passengers per route:

- GLASGOW = 1128 = -84%
- LIVERPOOL = 4469 = +14%
- LONDON (STN) = 3713 = -9%
- EDINBURGH = 6574 = -5% When compared to GLA from APR18.

Load Factors:

- GLASGOW = 59%
- LIVERPOOL = 91%
- LONDON (STN) = 69%
- EDINBURGH = 83%


Year Rolling:

Passengers: 186,406

[scodaman]

I hear the stranded BMi Embraer was fired up yesterday. Departure imminent?

I was down on Sunday morning leaving the other half off for a Loganair flight to STN and it was still there, took a few shots on my phone. Went down tonight Wednesday to lift the other half and it is not in same spot, it may have been moved or maybe Discovery Channel Airplane Repo came along and got it. I live near City of Derry and will check again tomorrow. It has been moved a few times since Feb.

[speedbirdATC]

I was down on Sunday morning leaving the other half off for a Loganair flight to STN and it was still there, took a few shots on my phone. Went down tonight Wednesday to lift the other half and it is not in same spot, it may have been moved or maybe Discovery Channel Airplane Repo came along and got it. I live near City of Derry and will check again tomorrow. It has been moved a few times since Feb.
G-RJXB departed for NWI yesterday.

[scodaman]

I was down on Sunday morning leaving the other half off for a Loganair flight to STN and it was still there, took a few shots on my phone. Went down tonight Wednesday to lift the other half and it is not in same spot, it may have been moved or maybe Discovery Channel Airplane Repo came along and got it. I live near City of Derry and will check again tomorrow. It has been moved a few times since Feb.

And to quote my own post, I've since found out that it has indeed gone and has left LDY for Norwich, more info on the Loganair thread.

[Sharklet_321]

Fly757X Those load factors just go to show that the success in this industry when it comes to smaller airports is with the low cost carriers. I am not sure the thinner routes can survive unless perpetually supported by PSO

[Fly757X]

Fly757X Those load factors just go to show that the success in this industry when it comes to smaller airports is with the low cost carriers. I am not sure the thinner routes can survive unless perpetually supported by PSO

I think it's more just the broad set up of those routes. Glasgow's times are far from ideal at present for the locals who would use the service if there was an early flight on a Monday for instance. They're also pushed away by the fact it's a SF34. Absolutely nothing wrong with the SF34s in my eyes but it's part of a wider attitude here that has came to be over the last few years that it's either Ryanair... or go to Belfast. MAN has seen impressive loads, roughly 5 empty seats a flight albeit prices are relatively low for LM, coming in around £80-100 a week in advance. STN is starting to normalise again after BM's collapse. EDI is starting to do a bit better too but it can vary dramatically week on week. I believe that if LM tweaked GLA a bit, maybe extra or earlier flights on MON/FRI/SUN and some days being upgauged to an ER4, it would certainly help reduce the Nativity of the public in the city when it comes to Aviation, specifically "buses with wings" and "those wee things."

[db7]

Loganair seem to trying to rationalise their use of airframes at LDY. The GLA timetable has changed. Seems they are now trying to use the one plane to do LDY-STN-LDY-MAN-LDY-GLA-LDY-STN-LDY If it works excellent utilisation - just hope they have a backup plan.

Perhaps the 14.40 departure and the EMB will be more popular at least it connects with the evening flights out of GLA - all we need now is a BA/? codeshare

[cuthere]

That would be excellent utilisation, though during the winter months, could lead to chaos.

[BAladdy]

That would be excellent utilisation, though during the winter months, could lead to chaos.
GLA will be op by the LDY based aircraft from the 1st of July to 25th October.

The schedule loaded from the start of the winter schedule shows that the flights will be operated by a GLA based aircraft. The frequency does however seem to have been reduced to 5 x weekly for next winter. With no flight available to book on a Wednesday and Saturday

[Fly757X]

Strange to see it's also been reduced mid season. SAT/SUN stays the same.

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for May 2019:

LDY movements:

679 (2019) = +10%

618 (2018)

Passenger Numbers:

15,341 (2019) = -1%

15,541 (2018)

Passengers per route:

- GLASGOW = 1213 = -83%
- LIVERPOOL = 4122 = -8%
- LONDON (STN) = 3703 = -5%
- EDINBURGH = 5948 = -17% When compared to GLA from APR18.
- MANCHESTER = 417 = (NEW)

Load Factors:

- GLASGOW = 63%
- LIVERPOOL = 84%
- LONDON (STN) = 65%
- EDINBURGH = 72%
- MANCHESTER = 61%


Year Rolling:

Passengers: 186,206

[cuthere]

Interesting news release from CoDA:

https://www.cityofderryairport.com/2019/07/09/city-of-derry-airport-prepares-to-welcome-the-world-for-the-open-2019/

[Fly757X]

Interesting news release from CoDA:

https://www.cityofderryairport.com/2019/07/09/city-of-derry-airport-prepares-to-welcome-the-world-for-the-open-2019/

I haven’t noticed any extra capacity, I must have a look.

[cuthere]

Had a look at Loganair and FR. No additional flights are apparent. I wonder (but currently doubt) if there are some inbound charters planned. Interesting to see the apron in a week or so.

[cuthere]

Interesting stats in this article. I’m surprised CoDA gets so few business jets (hope the link works - the Bel Tel web page requires a log-in):

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/private-jet-numbers-soar-at-derry-airport-for-the-open-38318810.html

[Fly757X]

Interesting stats in this article. I’m surprised CoDA gets so few business jets (hope the link works - the Bel Tel web page requires a log-in):

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/private-jet-numbers-soar-at-derry-airport-for-the-open-38318810.html


I think it's been worded wrong, there is normally around 15-16 Business Jets in July alone, not over the course of a year. Still great to see the Increase!

[cuthere]

Thanks Fly757x. I thought that figure was low. I often see biz jets parked up when using LDY.

[Fly757X]

Thanks Fly757x. I thought that figure was low. I often see biz jets parked up when using LDY.

There was 245 "Business" movements last year to be more precise. :)

[cuthere]

Quite the misquote from the Bel Tel - actually, I’m not remotely surprised! Thanks again for the info.

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for June 2019:

LDY movements:

735 (2019) = +6%

694 (2018)

Passenger Numbers:

16,886 (2019) = +7%

15,769 (2018)

Passengers per route:

- GLASGOW = 1237 = -83%
- LIVERPOOL = 4193 = -5%
- LONDON (STN) = 4065 = +9%
- EDINBURGH = 6113 = -15% When compared to GLA from APR18.
- MANCHESTER = 1284 = (NEW)

Load Factors:

- GLASGOW = 67%
- LIVERPOOL = 92%
- LONDON (STN) = 75%
- EDINBURGH = 74%
- MANCHESTER = 50%


Year Rolling:

Passengers: 187,324

[SealinkBF]

Not sure if SuperBreak had any more charters planned... they have today ceased trading.

[Fly757X]

Not sure if SuperBreak had any more charters planned... they have today ceased trading.

They didn’t, however they did offer city break deals on the scheduled flights from LDY.

[cuthere]

Booking flights from LDY-GLA earlier I noticed that the route is up to 6x weekly for the winter. Daily except Saturday. With LPL also increasing to 4x weekly I do wonder how many other small, regional airports see an increase on some routes in winter as compared to summer. I appreciate MAN is down to 5x week, but EDI frequency remains the same.

[scodaman]

Good news, City of Derry to Southend.New Derry to London air route set to take offhttps://www.derryjournal.com/news/traffic-and-travel/new-derry-to-london-air-route-set-to-take-off-1-9045668

[Cyrano]

Good news, City of Derry to Southend.New Derry to London air route set to take offhttps://www.derryjournal.com/news/traffic-and-travel/new-derry-to-london-air-route-set-to-take-off-1-9045668

Is this replacing the Stansted route? The article says it will be PSO-supported and I can't see a PSO supporting two competing routes to the same city.

[cuthere]

Surely this is LM consolidating its LON operations at one airport?

[Fly757X]

Surely this is LM consolidating its LON operations at one airport?

I would certainly say it is. DND-LON is up for renewal soon too from what you be read so it could well go to SEN too.

[cuthere]

SEN is a much nicer airport to travel to/through than STN. Having said that, the last time I was there, FR weren’t operating, so perhaps the additional PAX they generate may make a difference.

[AirportPlanner1]

SEN is a much nicer airport to travel to/through than STN. Having said that, the last time I was there, FR weren’t operating, so perhaps the additional PAX they generate may make a difference.

The departure I’d imagine will be circa 08:30-09:00 as it is now, along with the other Loganair departures. That means the based BE/EZY/FRs will have all gone and you’ll have about two people in front of you at security as I did the other week. Same in the evening, there might be some pax for the later AMS/DUB routes and maybe some for Wizz on certain days but it certainly won’t be anything ridiculous.

[OneBellEnd]

An LDY-SEN service can only be the transfer of existing Loganair from STN to SEN, unless someone is getting expansive enough to start a competing London route from CoDA without any Government support (which would then negate the need for the existing PSO service!)? The idea of a Public Service Obligation is to obligate an airline through public support to maintain a single air service on a critical trunk corridor where it would not otherwise exist. Not to throw public money at a series of parallel routes, ensuring that all of them become undermined and unviable.

[cuthere]

Yes. We know.

[scodaman]

Looks like stn dropped and its still Loganair

https://www.derryjournal.com/news/traffic-and-travel/derry-london-air-route-to-switch-from-stansted-to-southend-1-9046184

[owenc]

No good. STN is superior.

[ifu05596]

No good. STN is superior.
Having flown GLA-SEN with Loganair this week I'd disagree. Southend Airport to Stratford in 45 minutes connecting to Jubille, Central and DLR was great or another 8 minutes into Liverpool Street. Took less than 5 minutes to get from my seat on the plane to the train station. I'd pick flying here over Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted for getting to Central London. Only one that I would prefer would be City but that is either full or at a premium if booking alst minute!

If they had express trains... now that would be transformational.

[Fly757X]

No good. STN is superior.

Well, that is subjective really.


For me anyway, I think it’s brilliant news for a good amount.

[virginblue]

No good. STN is superior.

In what regard? The purpose of a PSO route is not to give local punters access to cheap Ryanair flights at STN as nothing is to be gained for the public by that. It is to connect the capital or major cities to a remote part of the country to primarily make travel for business, government, medical or educational purposes easier.

[AirportPlanner1]

The thing STN has over SEN is it’s convenience for Cambridge. I’m not sure what academic, business or cultural ties there are between Derry and Cambridge but I assume they are insufficient to warrant particular concern about this switch.

[owenc]

Having flown GLA-SEN with Loganair this week I'd disagree. Southend Airport to Stratford in 45 minutes connecting to Jubille, Central and DLR was great or another 8 minutes into Liverpool Street. Took less than 5 minutes to get from my seat on the plane to the train station. I'd pick flying here over Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted for getting to Central London. Only one that I would prefer would be City but that is either full or at a premium if booking alst minute!

If they had express trains... now that would be transformational.
Subpar Class 321’s with seats that are nearly on the floor versus the good stansted Express?

sorry but this tiny airport does not compare with Stansted. It is a downgrade.

[Fly757X]

Subpar Class 321’s with seats that are nearly on the floor versus the good stansted Express?

sorry but this tiny airport does not compare with Stansted. It is a downgrade.

It may be a Downgrade for you. Either way it’s only 50 minutes in a train, which won’t wouldn’t sway the opinions of the masses.

[cuthere]

I doubt SEN could match the experiences I’ve had trying to get through security at the “superior” Stansted. Stansted stopped being fit for purpose years ago. As for the Stansted Express. Also a tired, unreliable service. Owen’s either trolling (as usual) or has been at the glue. Either way, anyone who has had the “pleasure” of using Stansted recently will be very pleasantly surprised by SEN.

[owenc]

Don’t accuse me of taking illegal substances when none where taken Cuthere.

You’re always stirring the pot, looking for a row. You’re the troll.

[cuthere]

Owen, anyone who has read your contributions on this particular thread over the last 12-18 months will have noticed your contrary tone. Off the top of my head:


You won’t be flying Flybmi as the planes are too small.
There are no English tourists in Derry.
Loganair fairs are too expensive.
There’s a mystical walk-up first class rail ticket on a train in England which costs a tenner.
Stansted is better than Southend.

Maybe you you should give LM a go when they move across to Southend. You might surprise yourself.

Finally, before I hit the sack after a long day’s work, glue is not an illegal substance.

[mart901]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/travel/news/stansted-named-second-worst-airport-12652876.amp

[ifu05596]

Subpar Class 321’s with seats that are nearly on the floor versus the good stansted Express?

sorry but this tiny airport does not compare with Stansted. It is a downgrade.
Depends on what you want from an airport I suppose. In my opinion the passenger experience at SEN is superior. Quick in and out, regular train service to two Well connected London stations.

My last experience at Stansted was crammed train, lengthy queues, shuttle to the ‘other’ gates. All took a long time, if travelling for work (99% of the time to London) I don’t care about a choice of 20 restaurants and snaking around duty free etc.

Whilst The trains were old I found them to be perfectly comfortable (don’t recall the Stansted Express being very ‘Heathrow Express’ either). I did enjoy my single leather seat on Loganair compared to the easyJet offering to Stansted though!

[Tagron]

The existing rolling stock on the Liverpool Street-SEN line is about to be replaced by brand new carriages which include space for underseat baggage stowage. I am not certain of the timing of the upgrade but it is said to be before the end of the year.

[owenc]

The Class 720’s are not at all ready.

[owenc]

Owen, anyone who has read your contributions on this particular thread over the last 12-18 months will have noticed your contrary tone. Off the top of my head:


You won’t be flying Flybmi as the planes are too small.
There are no English tourists in Derry.
Loganair fairs are too expensive.
There’s a mystical walk-up first class rail ticket on a train in England which costs a tenner.
Stansted is better than Southend.

Maybe you you should give LM a go when they move across to Southend. You might surprise yourself.

Finally, before I hit the sack after a long day’s work, glue is not an illegal substance.
I’m Going to ignore you because you are trolling. You can absolutely get cheap First Class fares.

I just recently went from London to Birmingham for £22 with Virgin, I also booked £10-£18 from Norwich to London many, many times.

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for July 2019:

LDY movements:

895 (2019) = +13%

792 (2018)

Passenger Numbers:

19,281 (2019) = +5%

18,288 (2018)

Passengers per route:

- GLASGOW = 1403 = -82%
- LIVERPOOL = 4514 = +1%
- LONDON (STN) = 4819 = +4%
- EDINBURGH = 6780 = -12% When compared to GLA from JUL18.
- MANCHESTER = 1790 = (NEW)

Load Factors:

- GLASGOW = 68%
- LIVERPOOL = 92%
- LONDON (STN) = 85%
- EDINBURGH = 85%
- MANCHESTER = 59%


Year Rolling:

Passengers: 188,317

[Fly757X]

Winter 2019/2020 Provisional Schedule as of 27/08/19.

Loganair

GLA - 4 Weekly. (3x SF3, 1x ER4)

MAN - 5 Weekly. (ER4)

SEN - 13 Weekly. (ER4)

Ryanair

EDI - 5 Weekly. (738)

LPL - 4 Weekly. (738)


This gives an average of 31 departures per week, An extra four on last year. This is an average of just over 4 per day.

[Fly757X]

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Summer 2020 Schedules as of 15/09/2019. SEN will see a seasonal increase to 16x Weekly with extra flights FRI-SUN. MAN will be operated by a NWI based frame on FRI/SUN and GLA will return to being operated by the LDY based frame with the exception of SUN. GLA's SAT flight will also not return for S2020. Still EDI/LPL to be added all being well.

(Ignore the B738/RYR and EDI/LPL frequencies, they were simply left over from prior placeholders)

[Fly757X]

MAN on Tuesdays/Wednesdays are showing as "Sold Out" for the entirety of the coming winter season so one must presume that it's been reduced to 3 Weekly now or there has been some form of glitch.

[True Blue]

I know someone who was on a flight recently on this route. There was 15 on it.

[Fly757X]

I know someone who was on a flight recently on this route. There was 15 on it.

I'm just perplexed and those day's not being removed properly and instead showing as "Sold Out". I certainly think the route has performed below expectations so far with loads across weeks being very variable. The CAA stats for August will be interesting for this route in particular.

[cuthere]

August stats are in. MAN had a ~70% load factor in August.

[Fly757X]

August stats are in. MAN had a ~70% load factor in August.

Indeed, I’ll have my usual round up later but here are the other LF’s

GLA = 75%
STN = 87%
EDI = 81%
LPL = 93%

[cuthere]

I say ~70% as I noticed a few Sunday rotations were on a S340.

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for August 2019:

LDY movements:

603 (2019) = +14%

589 (2018)

Passenger Numbers:

20,556 (2019) = +16%

17,665 (2018)

Passengers per route:

- GLASGOW = 1700 = -78%
- LIVERPOOL = 4907 = +4%
- LONDON (STN) = 4839 = +3%
- EDINBURGH = 7037 = -8% When compared to GLA from AUG18.
- MANCHESTER = 2128 = (NEW)

Load Factors:

- GLASGOW = 75%
- LIVERPOOL = 93%
- LONDON (STN) = 87%
- EDINBURGH = 81%
- MANCHESTER = 70%


Year Rolling:

Passengers: 191,208


Brilliant looking month as far as loads go. Strange to see GLA/MAN being reduced as much as they have been, unless Yields haven't been as expected or there is another underlying operational reason for this.

[scodaman]

City of Derry Airport in news again as regards funding."City of Derry Airport needs almost £6m to keep it open"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-50315680

[scodaman]

Anyone know what is happening with Manchester and Loganair?

Only bookable days LDY-MAN in Jan 2020 are the Friday 3rd Jan and Sunday 5th Jan. All other days showing a red X and 'Sold Out'. They may of course be sold out but its unlikely.

[SealinkBF]

Anyone know what is happening with Manchester and Loganair?

Only bookable days LDY-MAN in Jan 2020 are the Friday 3rd Jan and Sunday 5th Jan. All other days showing a red X and 'Sold Out'. They may of course be sold out but its unlikely.

Very odd, even in April it shows flights on random days only. Think that is a route being 'suspended'....

[cuthere]

September CAA stats are in. Passenger numbers increased 33% as compared to Sept 2018.

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for September 2019:

LDY movements:

731 (2019) = +30%

563 (2018)

Passenger Numbers:

16,081 (2019) = +33%

12,136 (2018)

Passengers per route:

- GLASGOW = 1353 = -69%
- LIVERPOOL = 3797 = -7%
- LONDON (STN) = 3964 = +3%
- EDINBURGH = 5792 = +34% When compared to GLA from SEP18.
- MANCHESTER = 1140 = (NEW)

Load Factors:

- GLASGOW = 63%
- LIVERPOOL = 84%
- LONDON (STN) = 72%
- EDINBURGH = 73%
- MANCHESTER = 45%


Year Rolling:

Passengers: 195,153


Overall an interesting month. Hopefully we will see a modest increase again in October, hopefully still an outside chance of breaking the 200,000 mark for the first time in over two years by years end.

[scodaman]

Here we go again.

Loganair suspends Derry to Manchester flights
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-50471852

[cuthere]

Not really a surprise. The brand is virtually unknown in the Manchester area, and even when Flybe did the route some years ago, they canned it after a few months despite healthy LFs. Simply put, FR have the northwest of Ireland to northwest of England market covered to LPL, despite their inconsistent timetables. The LFs on that route are always 80%+ in the winter, and over 90% in summer.

[Fly757X]

Not really a surprise. The brand is virtually unknown in the Manchester area, and even when Flybe did the route some years ago, they canned it after a few months despite healthy LFs. Simply put, FR have the northwest of Ireland to northwest of England market covered to LPL, despite their inconsistent timetables. The LFs on that route are always 80%+ in the winter, and over 90% in summer.

It is a pity, hopefully once it’s resumes in May (if it does) exposure on this end of the route will be a bit healthier too as they’ll (Loganair) have been back here for a year and a half. However as say, it’s not really a surprise.

[OneBellEnd]

Left hand .. Right hand??

https://nitravelnews.com/news/new-routes-from-city-of-derry-with-codeshare-partnership/

Loganair suspends Derry to Manchester flights (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-50471852)

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for October 2019:

LDY movements:

611 (2019) = +9%

563 (2018)

Passenger Numbers:

18,201 (2019) = +42%

12,847 (2018)

Passengers per route:

- GLASGOW = 1397 = -62%
- LIVERPOOL = 5087 = +8%
- LONDON (STN) = 3429 = -10%
- LONDON (SEN) = 590 = (NEW)
- EDINBURGH = 6513 = +947%
- MANCHESTER = 1185 = (NEW)

Load Factors:

- GLASGOW = 66%
- LIVERPOOL = 90%
- LONDON (STN) = 74%
- LONDON (SEN) = 60%
- EDINBURGH = 78%
- MANCHESTER = 54%


12 Month Rolling:

Passengers: 200,507

Overall, another good month with the rolling passengers finally breaking 200,000 for the first time in a few years.

[Red Four]

According to Table 12.3,
STN: 3429
SEN: 590

[Fly757X]

According to Table 12.3,
STN: 3429
SEN: 590

Cheers, will get those sorted now.

[EI-BUD]

Left hand .. Right hand??

https://nitravelnews.com/news/new-routes-from-city-of-derry-with-codeshare-partnership/

Loganair suspends Derry to Manchester flights (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-50471852)

Hard to believe that at one point Loganair was the high frequency operator on BHD-MAN with BAe146 aircraft, as recently as the 90's ... and a routing on LDY MAN is not sustainable..

[cuthere]

Hard to believe an EMB145 operated MAN-LDY in the early 2000s as BA Regional.....

[OneBellEnd]

Ryanair mopping up the extent of the current LDY - NW England market through LPL based on price?

[Fly757X]

Ryanair mopping up the extent of the current LDY - NW England market through LPL based on price?

I’d presume so. However did LM not previously operate LDY-MAN in the SF34 in the 2000s(ish) alongside Ryanair’s service to Liverpool? (that was at much higher frequency than present too) Yes it was a SF34 but still a tough market for both surely? Just shows how times have changed.

[cuthere]

Er.....as I said above. BA Regional operated the route. Mixture of Saabs and E145s. My last time using the route would have been circa 2002. An E145 “pencil jet” as the one member of cabin crew called it. Route was suspended very shortly after as BA Regional crashed.

LM were doing double daily to GLA, though all under the banner of BA, at the same time. I was a regular, and happy punter at the time.

[speedbirdATC]

Er.....as I said above. BA Regional operated the route. Mixture of Saabs and E145s. My last time using the route would have been circa 2002. An E145 “pencil jet” as the one member of cabin crew called it. Route was suspended very shortly after as BA Regional crashed.

LM were doing double daily to GLA, though all under the banner of BA, at the same time. I was a regular, and happy punter at the time.
BA Regional operated to MAN from the mid 90’s until 2003 using Jetstream 41’s and E145’s at the weekend. LM took over the route then using SF34’s and Short 360’s until about 2005. Aer Aran stepped in for a couple of years before pulling the route in about 2007/8. Flybe took it in 2012 with the Dash 8’s for 6 months, and now of course LM are back on it, sort of.
LM certainly were doing 2 x daily GLA, but not at the same time they were doing MAN. A night stopping SF34 would do LDY-DUB-LDY-MAN-LDY-GLA, with another Saab coming back later that evening from GLA to do the evening DUB as well.

[db7]

When LM flew as BA MAN was a BA hub so it was possible to book LDY-MAN-XXX without the need to collect bags etc. Now MAN T3 is a mess and having to go land side is no fun. Perhaps with the FlyBe/Virgin Connect link MAN will again become a possible hub from LDY. But then FlyBE seem to being axing most of its European SH routes. EMB135/145 and SF3 were originally designed to feed hubs or for thin high revenue routes - FR dominates the point to point.

[Fly757X]

LDY Peak Summer Schedules 2020 (As of 22/12/19):

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Overall a few changes in the past few weeks has seen MAN go from 4 to 5 weekly over the summer holidays with the return on a Saturday service. It has also seen the removal of the extra SEN services on Fridays and Sundays, however Saturdays second rotation as been maintained. This has allowed MAN times to be moved on Friday/Sundays to be consistent with the rest of the week and will now be operated by an LDY based ER4 instead of a NWI ER3 (Due to the closure of the base at NWI) as they have been on Sunday nights recently. As for Glasgow, Sunday's flight is now a little later.

Very little change with FR as expected, however EDI times have been moved by 5 minutes on Sunday nights.

Overall it's a pity about the extra SEN services being dropped, but at least MAN seems to be gaining momentum again. I'd also expect GLA to change slightly as it is very prone to chopping and changing from the initial published schedule. (Changed massively 3 times before/during last summer,)

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for November 2019:

LDY movements:

554 (2019) = +22%

432 (2018)

Passenger Numbers:

18,005 (2019) = +6%

16,914 (2018)

Passengers per route:

- EDINBURGH = 7204 = +11%
- GLASGOW = 1010 = +4%
- LIVERPOOL = 5831 = +0%
- LONDON (SEN) = 3312 = -9% (When compared to STN)
- MANCHESTER = 648 = (NEW)

Load Factors:

- EDINBURGH = 87%
- GLASGOW = 64%
- LIVERPOOL = 91%
- LONDON (SEN) = 61%
- MANCHESTER = 56%


12 Month Rolling:

Passengers: 201,598.



Finally as always merry Christmas to all! I wish you all a healthy and prosperous new year too!


This is equally SEN related this is an interesting one. I wonder if the higher temperatures during the summer could affect the SEN service like it does with a few others out of there, albeit it would need a fairly full flight.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/derry-flight-loganair-southend-heavy-plane-weight-limit-a9259266.html%3famp

[cuthere]

Dec stats are out. 18419 through CoDA in Dec. Increase of 13% on Dec 2018.

[Fly757X]

Dec stats are out. 18419 through CoDA in Dec. Increase of 13% on Dec 2018.

Cheers mate, will have the full DEC/Full year stats ready later.

[cuthere]

I’ll look forward to it Fly757X. You’ve more patience than I do!

Cheers!

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for December 2019:

LDY movements:

404 (2019) = +11%

363 (2018)

Passenger Numbers:

18,419 (2019) = +13%

16,239 (2018)

Passengers per route:

- EDINBURGH = 7126 = +14%
- GLASGOW = 1220 = +16%
- LIVERPOOL = 5614 = +10%
- LONDON (SEN) = 3417 = -11% (When compared to STN)
- MANCHESTER = 926 = (NEW)

Load Factors:

- EDINBURGH = 94%
- GLASGOW = 72%
- LIVERPOOL = 83%
- LONDON (SEN) = 60%
- MANCHESTER = 62%


12 Month Rolling:

Passengers: 203,778


Good month overall. I'm going to delay publishing the Year End stats. I have some value already done however looking at some there is some small discrepancies. I'll just wait until the full 2019 sheet is on the CAA website.

[cuthere]

94% LF on Edi, albeit in a month including a busy holiday period, is quite impressive!

[Fly757X]

94% LF on Edi, albeit in a month including a busy holiday period, is quite impressive!

It is indeed, it’s certainly came on leaps and bounds from last year. SEN is certainly disappointing however we all expected the decrease.

[cuthere]

If I recall rightly, there was at least one LDY-SEN-LDY cancellation in Dec.

[Fly757X]

If I recall rightly, there was at least one LDY-SEN-LDY cancellation in Dec.

I seem to remember that too but I must’ve miss counted, I’ll have another look tonight cheers!

[Fly757X]

If I recall rightly, there was at least one LDY-SEN-LDY cancellation in Dec.

Had a quick look there on FR24, nothing showing however there was a few significant delays on the LM647/648 around the Christmas Period.

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for 2019:

LDY movements:

7,098 (2019) = +12%

6,330 (2018)

Passenger Numbers:

203,778 (2019) = +10%

185,843 (2018)

Passengers per route:

- EDINBURGH = 76,987 = +474%
- GLASGOW = 14,363 = -78%
- LIVERPOOL = 58,533 = +1%
- LONDON (SEN) = 7,319 = (NEW)
- LONDON (STN) = 36,709 = -23%
- MANCHESTER = 9,518 = (NEW)

Load Factors:

- EDINBURGH = 80%
- GLASGOW = 64%
- LIVERPOOL = 87%
- LONDON (SEN) = 60%
- LONDON (STN) = 71%
- MANCHESTER = 57%

Average Load Factor: 72%.

Overall a positive year. Points to note:

- EDI had a strong second half of the year.
- GLA has remained consistent throughout despite numerous schedule changes mid season.
- MAN was very inconsistent, prices also remained fairly low throughout so I'd imagine yields were relatively poor away from peak summer.
- The switch from STN to SEN for the London PSO has seen a considerable drop in LF's.
- The ever present LPL service is still working at around where it has for the last few years.

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for January 2020:

LDY movements:

418 (2020) = -26%

566 (2019)

Passenger Numbers:

15,199 (2020) = +5%

14,536 (2019)

Passengers per route:

- EDINBURGH = 6118 = +16%
- GLASGOW = 722 = -2%
- LIVERPOOL = <!--td {border: 1px solid #ccc;}br {mso-data-placement:same-cell;}-->5356 = +8%
- LONDON (SEN) = 2795 = -13% (When compared to STN)
- MANCHESTER = 115 = (NEW)

Load Factors:

- EDINBURGH = 74%
- GLASGOW = 49%
- LIVERPOOL = = 79%
- LONDON (SEN) = 51%
- MANCHESTER = 59%


12 Month Rolling:

Passengers: 204,441

[4567]

Looks to me like loganair need to consider a ,Ive for their London operations to City like they have with Dundee.

[Expressflight]

For some reason the CAA returns supplied by SEN for their domestic routes report lower numbers than do the airports that they serve. In this instance SEN declared 2,795 pax for January while LDY declared 2,888.

[Fly757X]

Looks to me like loganair need to consider a ,Ive for their London operations to City like they have with Dundee.

With the ER4 that isn’t an option and the PSO dictates an Jet of some description must be used (or it did when it was initially tendered in 2016/2017.)

I personally think a return to STN would be the best option for all parties at present, tried and tested. Worked for 20 odd years and LM certainly made it work after BM’s collapse. Plus it’s only 6 months since it was moved from STN.

[BAladdy]

With the ER4 that isn’t an option and the PSO dictates an Jet of some description must be used (or it did when it was initially tendered in 2016/2017.)

I personally think a return to STN would be the best option for all parties at present, tried and tested. Worked for 20 odd years and LM certainly made it work after BM’s collapse. Plus it’s only 6 months since it was moved from STN.
Is there a maximum number of weekly flights that LM must provide as part of there PSO obligations?

[Fly757X]

Is there a maximum number of weekly flights that LM must provide as part of there PSO obligations?

I don't think so (However historically there was a restriction a few years ago). SEN was to go to 3 Daily FRI/SUN over the summer period however this has been dropped due to lack of demand. Maybe they would look at moving it to LCY on the ER3?

[BAladdy]

I don't think so (However historically there was a restriction a few years ago). SEN was to go to 3 Daily FRI/SUN over the summer period however this has been dropped due to lack of demand. Maybe they would look at moving it to LCY on the ER3?
LM’s ER3 (G-SAJR) started its life with the Irish carrier Jetmagic and was used to operated flights from ORK-LCY. Does anyone know if the aircraft could still be used to operate to LCY?. Luxair have also previously operated a ER3 to LCY.

LCY would almost certainly be more appealing for pax than flying to SEN.

[Fly757X]

I don't see why it couldn't be used (providing it's still certified). It would also provide a slightly higher capacity per day (111 Seats as opposed to 98.)

Would they be able to do such a big change during the current contract term?

[TartinTon]

I don't see why it couldn't be used (providing it's still certified). It would also provide a slightly higher capacity per day (111 Seats as opposed to 98.)

Would they be able to do such a big change during the current contract term?

Probably but they won't. The costs of flying into LCY would make it a complete non-starter especially given the price-sensitivity of the LDY market.

[Fly757X]

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Here is the W20/21 Schedule so far... Not much change as expected, with slight time changes on EDI/LPL. SEN also is 14x Weekly for the entire season.

[EI-BUD]

With the ER4 that isn’t an option and the PSO dictates an Jet of some description must be used (or it did when it was initially tendered in 2016/2017.)

I personally think a return to STN would be the best option for all parties at present, tried and tested. Worked for 20 odd years and LM certainly made it work after BM’s collapse. Plus it’s only 6 months since it was moved from STN.
I totally agree re STN.SEN is a great airport but it's more suited to a loco with very low lead in prices and then distress purchases closer to travel date at higher prices.
Aer Arann's GWY and WAT were well established into LTN and Stobart redirected them to SEN and it was a catastrophe. Granted time has passed and SEN has come on but STN gives a myriad of connecting services on DIY connections, has a much greater catchment and above all as mentioned, the route was very well developed.

[SWBKCB]

You might want to check the criteria for a route being eligible for taxpayers supports

[True Blue]

If a route needs taxpayers support, does it have the right to a jet aircraft as opposed to a prop, assuming the jet is more expensive to operate?

[cuthere]

The Gov tender for the PSO stipulated that the airline whose tender wins would *have* to operate a jet on the route.

[Fly757X]

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As mentioned, here is the S20 schedule so far. I'd imagine Sunday's GLA could be changed due to the increasing reliance on the GLA ERJs now due to the BE collapse. LPL/EDI times also slightly altered on last year with LPL's Saturday change being the first change on that route in a few years. The Yellow denotes the seasonality of certain of the frequencies.

[scodaman]

Loganair Southend flight down to one per day from 30th March until further notice. Loganair Manchester and Glasgow unaffected as they where part time anyway.

Ryanair appear to have suspended Liverpool and Edinburgh totally for April. Bookable for May but who knows what will happen then.

Quiet month or two ahead at City of Derry airport.

[scodaman]

Loganair Derry LDY - Glasgow GLA scrapped until further notice due to Coronavirus.

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for February 2020:

LDY movements:

309 (2020) = -19%

378 (2019)

Passenger Numbers:

16,296 (2020) = +18%

13,865 (2019)

Passengers per route:

- EDINBURGH = 6783 = +16%
- GLASGOW = 832 = -9%
- LIVERPOOL = 5368 = +2%
- LONDON (SEN) = 3206 = +71% (When compared to STN)
- MANCHESTER = 107 = (NEW)

Load Factors:

- EDINBURGH = 85%
- GLASGOW = 61%
- LIVERPOOL = = 89%
- LONDON (SEN) = 63%
- MANCHESTER = 55%


12 Month Rolling:

Passengers: 206,872


In other news, the LDY-LON PSO returns to STN this Friday due to the temporary closure of SEN. At present it is due to return to SEN on the 1st of June.

[buzz_hornet]

CAA stats for February 2020:

LDY movements:

309 (2020) = -19%

378 (2019)

Passenger Numbers:

16,296 (2020) = +18%

13,865 (2019)

Passengers per route:

- EDINBURGH = 6783 = +16%
- GLASGOW = 832 = -9%
- LIVERPOOL = 5368 = +2%
- LONDON (SEN) = 3206 = +71% (When compared to STN)
- MANCHESTER = 107 = (NEW)

Load Factors:

- EDINBURGH = 85%
- GLASGOW = 61%
- LIVERPOOL = = 89%
- LONDON (SEN) = 63%
- MANCHESTER = 55%


12 Month Rolling:

Passengers: 206,872


In other news, the LDY-LON PSO returns to STN this Friday due to the temporary closure of SEN. At present it is due to return to SEN on the 1st of June.

Decent numbers. I wonder if splitting the Manchester rotation with say East Midlands would help on a every other day basis. Obviously further down the road

[Fly757X]

Decent numbers. I wonder if splitting the Manchester rotation with say East Midlands would help on a every other day basis. Obviously further down the road

MAN only operated for an Isolated weekend so personally I think it did alright this time around.

On the split MAN/EMA, That's an interesting one, however I would imagine if anything, BHX would be a possibility now due to their new found presence there. Will be interesting to see how the airport emerges after all this. Anyway's hope you're keeping well during this and best wishes!

[Fly757X]

Funding announced in the Interim: https://news.google.com/articles/CBMibGh0dHBzOi8vbmV3cy5jYXVzZXdheWNvYXN0Y29tbXVuaXR5LmNvLnVr L25pLW5ld3MvZXhlY3V0aXZlLXNlY3VyZXMtNS03bWlsbGlvbi1zdXBwb3J0 LXBhY2thZ2UtZm9yLWFpcnBvcnRzL9IBAA?hl=en-GB&gl=GB&ceid=GB%3Aen

The only thing now is, what happens when restrictions start to lift?

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for March 2020:

LDY movements:

320 (2020) = -33%

478 (2019)

Passenger Numbers:

9,905 (2020) = -41%

16,719 (2019)

Passengers per route:

- EDINBURGH = 3715 = -45%
- GLASGOW = 603 = -43%
- LIVERPOOL = 3449 = -41%
- LONDON (SEN) = 2138 = -31% (When compared to STN)

Load Factors:

- EDINBURGH = 58%
- GLASGOW = 47%
- LIVERPOOL = = 65%
- LONDON (SEN) = 42%


12 Month Rolling:

Passengers: 200,058


CAA stats for April 2020:

LDY movements:

93 (2020) = -80%

378 (2019)

Passenger Numbers:

166 (2020) = -99%

15,887 (2019)

Passengers per route:

- EDINBURGH = 0 = -100%
- GLASGOW = 0 = -100%
- LIVERPOOL = 0 = -100%
- LONDON (SEN) = 47 = -99% (When compared to STN)
- LONDON (STN) = 118 = -97%

Load Factors:

- LONDON (SEN) = 7%
- LONDON (STN) = 8%

12 Month Rolling:

Passengers: 191,151


Summary: ...

[Fly757X]

LDY's amended schedule for S20 (AUG-OCT)

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1617x383/capture_4ab73cb307b5048b418aa2a1e6326a29dcc96b6d.png

Of course, this could very well change again. However I feel under the circumstances this is certainly a good outcome. Going back to my logs from a few years ago, 23 flights a week is around what was experienced in S17. As we all expect LF's will still be significantly down on that period, however all in all many of the regionals around the UK and Ireland will experience greater drops in services.

Hopefully the S21 schedules get released a little earlier this year and that could give us a good estimate of the recovery as we progress further into the year.

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for May 2020:

LDY movements:

69 (2020) = -90%

679 (2019)

Passenger Numbers:

945 (2020) = -94%

15,341 (2019)

Passengers per route:

- EDINBURGH = 0 = -100%
- GLASGOW = 0 = -100%
- LIVERPOOL = 0 = -100%
- LONDON (SEN) = 0 = -100%
- LONDON (STN) = 945 = -74%

Load Factors:

- LONDON (STN) = 70% (With Social distancing in place.)

12 Month Rolling:

Passengers: 176,755

[True Blue]

Would love to know how much, if any, extra money was paid to keep this essential route to Stn operating for the benefit of 945 people. That is 15 pax each way every day for 31 days. I know it isn't as straight forward as that, but the impression given was that extra funds were made available, for this small number?

[Fly757X]

Would love to know how much, if any, extra money was paid to keep this essential route to Sen operating for the benefit of 945 people. That is 15 pax each way every day for 31 days. I know it isn't as straight forward as that, but the impression given was that extra funds were made available, for this small number?

Route was moved to STN and there was money granted to both BHD/LDY to sustain their links to London:

https://www.derryjournal.com/news/environment/derry-city-london-flights-switch-stansted-2867189

[True Blue]

Yes I knew that and I have corrected the London end in my post. My query was around how much was paid for the benefit of only a small number. There will have been so much money just wasted in so many areas over the last 2/3 months which will eventually have to be paid for. Our money just thrown around.

[Fly757X]

Yes I knew that and I have corrected the London end in my post. My query was around how much was paid for the benefit of only a small number. There will have been so much money just wasted in so many areas over the last 2/3 months which will eventually have to be paid for. Our money just thrown around.

Alright well that's you're opinion. I'd have a very different one, Either way, ~15 people per flight isn't exactly bad considering what has just ensued and it was only essential workers allowed to travel on it. Sure it is government funded route normally anyways, however this is only to the tune of ~£2,000,000 per year as it was. Whilst you may not see the benefit from not living locally, there certainly is one for people from within the county. Besides, BHD was in the same boat and I'd say got a significantly larger share of the money too.

Edit: Remember this: https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2020-05-14/stormont-pays-out-more-than-2m-a-year-on-non-existent-flights/

[cuthere]

True Blue seeking out a reason to have a moan about LDY. Many, many things have changed since I joined this forum in 2004, but TB? Credit where it’s due. Consistent. If literally nothing else.

Perhaps those whose travel was essential should have gone to BHD or Dublin to access travel to the London area? I read your complaint, but see no solution. Undoubtedly had the money been used to support flights at BFS, then there would have been absolutely no issue. And therein lies the absurdity of your post.

[Geolog]

Looks as if Southend has been binned as destination for the London service. All flights right through to the end of Spring 21 are now showing on the Loganair booking portal as Stansted-bound..

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for June 2020:

LDY movements:

165 (2020) = -78%

735 (2019)

Passenger Numbers:

1,454 (2020) = -91%

16,886 (2019)

Passengers per route:

- LONDON (STN) = ~1,454 = -64%

Load Factors:

- LONDON (STN) = 87% (Assuming that the middle column is blocked as per Loganair's booking engine.)

12 Month Rolling:

Passengers: 161,323

[Geolog]

Went through the airport on Thursday last (30th). Counted 37 off the inbound Glasgow. The evening STN outbound had around 28 on, with middle seat row apparently blocked.

[EI-BUD]

Looks like LDY STN flight of this morning is in its way back to LDY after departing before 7am ...

[Geolog]

SAJI now in the air positioning in from the IOM with a view to 10.15 departure.

[southside bobby]

Double shuffle.
SAJI op into STN as the replacement on the morning LDY LOG51D then posn out to IoM.
SAJD posn into STN & then op out to LDY as the morning LOG52L.

[EI-BUD]

Based on Ryanair online booking engine, it seems that LDY EDI is not operating in September ...

[Geolog]

Jota Aviation G-JOTS Avro RJ100 arrived ex Southend at 06.41 as ENZ142P. Airborne 08.10 as ENZ142 for Vilnius with Derry City FC. Due to leave Vilnius at 00.30 on Wednesday 26th for return - likely back approx 01.30 local.

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for July 2020:

LDY movements:

336 (2020) = -62%

895 (2019)

Passenger Numbers:

6,683 (2020) = -65%

19,281 (2019)

Passengers per route:

- EDINBURGH (EDI) = 1,456 = -79%
- GLASGOW (GLA) = 380 = -73%
- LIVERPOOL (LPL) = 2,293 = -49%
- LONDON (STN) = 2,554 = -47%

Load Factors:

- EDINBURGH (EDI) = 48%
- GLASGOW (GLA) = 48%
- LIVERPOOL (LPL) = 67%
- LONDON (STN) = 58%

12 Month Rolling:

Passengers: 148,725

[buzz_hornet]

EDI looks to be dropped for September.

LPL down to 2 flights a week on Tues and Saturday

[Fly757X]

EDI looks to be dropped for September.

LPL down to 2 flights a week on Tues and Saturday

EDI is gone right up until W20/21 at preset, similar routes between the whole Island and GB have also been cut during the same period (NOC-BRS/KIR-MAN) So not an isolated issue. As for LPL it has been 2x all summer. Hopefully the current plans for W20/21 stay however I’ve been told expect them to change in the coming weeks. Hope you’re well.

[scodaman]

EDI bookable from 25th October.

[cuthere]

Something for next summer (all being well):

https://www.derryjournal.com/lifestyle/travel/new-derry-majorca-summer-sun-route-2021-announced-2960448

[Alteagod]

Are they not the outfit that was supposed to operate from BHD and turned into a cluster....

[SWBKCB]

Should have had flights out of MME for the first time this summer, but haven't due COVID.

[Buster the Bear]

Looks like Albastar to operate the flights.

[Cozy F]

Pretty sure there's a replica photo of this somewhere for Jetsgo / BHD launch to Majorca a year or two ago. Same Jetsgo guy, different airport person. Never actually took off to fly from BHD at the height of the market in the end, so here's hoping Derry have better luck - and some clawback on any upfront funding..

[Fly757X]

Loganair's Summer 2021 Schedule (APR-AUG)

GLA - 4x Weekly, rises to 5x Weekly between July and August with an extra service on Wednesday. (ER4)

STN - 13x Weekly, rises to 15x Weekly between May and August with an extra service on Friday and Saturday. (ER4)

MAN - Not Operating.

[Fly757X]

Ryanair's Summer 2021 Schedule (Not on sale yet but times have been loaded.)

EDI - 5x Weekly. Remains the same as what was planned for S20. Some time changes but apart from that, very little change. (73H)

LPL - 3x Weekly. Remains the same as what was planned for S20. (73H)

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for August 2020:

LDY movements:

502 (2020) = -17%

603 (2019)

Passenger Numbers:

9,074 (2020) = -56%

20,556 (2019)

Passengers per route:

- EDINBURGH (EDI) = 2,950 = -58%
- GLASGOW (GLA) = 532 = -69%
- LIVERPOOL (LPL) = 2,792 = -43%
- LONDON (STN) = 2,730 = -43%

Load Factors:

- EDINBURGH (EDI) = 52%
- GLASGOW (GLA) = 46%
- LIVERPOOL (LPL) = 82%
- LONDON (STN) = 63%

12 Month Rolling:

Passengers: 137,243

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for September 2020:

LDY movements:

517 (2020) = -29%

731 (2019)

Passenger Numbers:

5,596 (2020) = -65%

16,081 (2019)

Passengers per route:

- GLASGOW (GLA) = 695 = -49%
- LIVERPOOL (LPL) = 2,451 = -35%
- LONDON (STN) = 2,450 = -39%

Load Factors:

- GLASGOW (GLA) = 52%
- LIVERPOOL (LPL) = 72%
- LONDON (STN) = 46%

12 Month Rolling:

Passengers: 126,758

[Geolog]

With the winter schedule now started, Edinburgh has returned for another go at 3x pw, Liverpool up to 4x pw. However, Glasgow now suspended for all of November (returns December) while STN is going down to one flight per day (none on Saturday) for all of November (returns to full schedule December).

A reflection, no doubt, of the difficult situation on both sides of the border.

[Geolog]

Bad news in that all LDY flights to Edinburgh and Liverpool off sale today for January, February & March.

[Fly757X]

Just noticed that myself, not good news at all. Whilst cuts weren’t unexpected, I didn’t foresee LPL being complete cut. Hopefully they do make a return for S21 or else the airport could be in a very tricky situation.

[Derry321]

Strange - I've just had an email from Ryanair for my February and March LPL bookings which just show new flight number RK9884, now being operated by Ryanair UK.

Perhaps not a cancellation but just whilst they update their systems and Brexit related?

[Fly757X]

I did realise that too on their site too when I checked that the flight was “sold out.” STN-BFS was also removed today so again with it being a domestic too, it is a possibility. God loves an optimistic so I suppose I’ll be one!

[Geolog]

Liverpool now back on sale, 4xpw, except from an odd two week gap in late March!

[Fly757X]

Good to see, I’d expect EDI to follow... It’s going to be strange seeing RK9884/9885 for a while!

[roblondon70]

It’s going to be strange seeing RK9884/9885 for a while!

Yes. I never thought I'd see Air Afrique flying to LDY.

[Fly757X]

Indeed! Best of luck to them as well!

[Geolog]

Edinburgh now back up: 3 pw Jan to March as anticipated. Downside is that Loganair appear to have further suspended the Glasgow service through to the end of March (was due to resume early December) apart from two flights around Christmas. Donegal - Glasgow service also suspended until the summer season.

Interesting but brief item in the online 'Belfast Telegraph' about an emergency landing at CODA on Thursday evening by what is described as a 'PSNI aircraft' with engine failure. Investigation apparently underway.