Glasgow-3

[rog747]

what airline was supposed to operate these flights ?



Flylolo used Air Europa often for their Spanish flights but TBH I dont know if they even had a contract for the series with anyone if you look at their SOU S19 flight sales dabble/debacle

[SWBKCB]

Article says about 230 on each flight - A.321?

[VickersVicount]

In light of current climate in industry, recent incidents and a bit of issue with this company in the past, why would you ever book with this sort of outfit. My sympathy ever so slightly wavering...

[jensdad]

In light of current climate in industry, recent incidents and a bit of issue with this company in the past, why would you ever book with this sort of outfit. My sympathy ever so slightly wavering...
To be fair, not everybody is as well-briefed with what's happening in the travel industry as many on this forum.

[sinbad73]

LH GLA-FRA double daily from 29 March 2020

https://www.glasgowairport.com/media-centre/lufthansas-frankfurt-service-goes-double-daily/

[VickersVicount]

Impressive. Must be doing well. Really needs twice daily for all the connections.
Hopefully not at expense of any MUC capacity.

[FlyingScotland]

Great news for Glasgow and further to the Lufthansa news, Air Transat has announced plans to increase capacity on the Glasgow Toronto route which will be 5x weekly all A330 next summer.

[Plane mad 134]

Very good news indeed, shows Lufthansas commitment to GLA! Also Luthansa will be decreasing MUC-GLA from 5x weekly to 2x weekly, which is a shame as that was a useful service at good frequency. But still an overall increase from Lufthansa which is great to see.

[BAladdy]

Impressive. Must be doing well. Really needs twice daily for all the connections.
Hopefully not at expense of any MUC capacity.
Looks like the increase might be at the expense of capacity to MUC. MUC is being reduced to 2 x weekly and is set to only operate from 31st May to 6th September. Flights operated 5 x weekly. S19

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/287285/lufthansa-s20-glasgow-service-changes/

[nighthawk117]

EDI-MUC is increasing from 3 weekly to 7 weekly for next summer, so it looks like the capacity is being transferred to there instead.

[sf01]

EDI-MUC is increasing from 3 weekly to 7 weekly for next summer, so it looks like the capacity is being transferred to there instead.


Replacing Eurowings?

[Plane mad 134]

No Eurowings will continue to serve EDI-MUC 5x weekly alongside Lufthansa.

[VickersVicount]

No Eurowings will continue to serve EDI-MUC 5x weekly alongside Lufthansa.
I think that remains to be seen looking at the booking classes availability for next year.

[tictack67]

I think that remains to be seen looking at the booking classes availability for next year.

I believe it is in addition to the daily easyJet to Munich and not Eurpwings

Great news for Glasgow double daily to Frankfurt hope it gets upgraded to A321 like Edinburgh is in summer

[VickersVicount]

Will these various road reroutings, new bridge etc enable the displaced threshold on 25 to be
removed and thus increase LDA?
No, I wouldn't have thought so

[VickersVicount]

Meanwhile... I see ACr YYZ flights loaded for S20. Seems same schedule as last year, so TS A330 upgauge doesn't seem to have made any changes..... for now

[Rob Royston]

No, I wouldn't have thought so

I remember the discussion about the runway 23 displaced threshold but at the time there was only speculation about why it was there. Has the airport ever mentioned it in any of their plans?

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Meanwhile... I see ACr YYZ flights loaded for S20. Seems same schedule as last year, so TS A330 upgauge doesn't seem to have made any changes..... for now
Will be a placeholder, there's nothing to prevent an up-gauge to an A330, they're still two different airlines at the moment I think?

[Plane mad 134]

Flybe add 3x daily GLA-SEN from 27th April 2020, great news!

[goldeneye]

I think LM will drop their own flight pretty quick.

[VickersVicount]

Flybe add 3x daily GLA-SEN from 27th April 2020, great news!
I wouldnt say that was great news. LM flights a slow burner with lowish loads. Not enough to maintain two carriers. Would be surprised if BE could generate huge new pax numbers. Unless with their new found renewed friendship its a codeshare.
So much for environmentally friendly!
SEN is a dud for domestic with longish train journey to London.

[BA318]

I wouldnt say that was great news. LM flights a slow burner with lowish loads. Not enough to maintain two carriers. Would be surprised if BE could generate huge new pax numbers. Unless with their new found renewed friendship its a codeshare.
So much for environmentally friendly!
SEN is a dud for domestic with longish train journey to London.


I wouldn’t say it is that much longer. Train from Southend Airport to Stratford is 45 mins. Piccadilly line (which a lot people use rather than Heathrow Express) from LHR T2/3 to Green Park is 49 mins.

Different markets. Anyone going to Canary Wharf, Essex or City will find it more convenient to fly you SEN over LTN, LHR and it beats LGW for ease

[Planespeaking]

I wouldnt say that was great news. LM flights a slow burner with lowish loads. Not enough to maintain two carriers. Would be surprised if BE could generate huge new pax numbers. Unless with their new found renewed friendship its a codeshare.
So much for environmentally friendly!
SEN is a dud for domestic with longish train journey to London.

Thankyou for your upbeat comment VV. By the way the correct spelling is Vickers Viscount!

[VickersVicount]

By the way the correct spelling is Vickers Viscount!
I'm well aware of that thank you but username was already taken.

[mwm991]

Flybe add 3x daily GLA-SEN from 27th April 2020, great news!
Its ****e. It directly attempts to weaken one of the few carriers that care about GLA.

[PDXCWL45]

Its ****e. It directly attempts to weaken one of the few carriers that care about GLA.
One who they've recently added a codeshare agreement with and seemed to be building up SEN into it's London focus airport. Odd.

[AirportPlanner1]

One who they've recently added a codeshare agreement with and seemed to be building up SEN into it's London focus airport. Odd.

Don’t forget Stobart are part-owner of Connect, own SEN, and have a relationship with Logan. As you say there is also the codeshare.

I’d be shocked if they are intentionally undermining Logan, I think it’s more likely it’s been agreed with Logan and possibly it will be Logan actually operating the flights. The timings are very similar to the original 3x daily schedule before it was cut to 2x, even more eerily so when you consider a new Sat flight was added for S20. Even if it is BE operating, Logan will still I assume benefit from the feed.

For those critiquing SEN as an entry point to London, don’t forget BE/Stobart ran this route only 12 months back so have the data and while loads were poor it was on the much larger E195.

[PDXCWL45]

Don’t forget Stobart are part-owner of Connect, own SEN, and have a relationship with Logan. As you say there is also the codeshare.

I’d be shocked if they are intentionally undermining Logan, I think it’s more likely it’s been agreed with Logan and possibly it will be Logan actually operating the flights. The timings are very similar to the original 3x daily schedule before it was cut to 2x, even more eerily so when you consider a new Sat flight was added for S20. Even if it is BE operating, Logan will still I assume benefit from the feed.

For those critiquing SEN as an entry point to London, don’t forget BE/Stobart ran this route only 12 months back so have the data and while loads were poor it was on the much larger E195.
What does loganair use on the route? A prop or a jet?

[sinbad73]

What does loganair use on the route? A prop or a jet?

They use a jet.

[4567]

Very confused by this announcement at the moment, hopefully more will come to light pretty quickly as I actually have a booking with LM to Southend in January.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Three daily on GLA-SEN is overkill, once daily might just about work but there's not enough business traffic for that level of frequency.

[A350Saltire]

Three daily on GLA-SEN is overkill, once daily might just about work but there's not enough business traffic for that level of frequency.

You don’t get business traffic with a one-daily frequency though.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

You don’t get business traffic with a one-daily frequency though.
Doesn't matter IMHO, there's just not the traffic there to support this.
Happy to be proved wrong.

[Plane mad 134]

Loganair have made some changes to the Glasgow schedule they are as follows:
· Loganair will cancel 3x daily London Southend eff 3rd Jan 2020
· They will also increase East Midlands from 2x daily to 3x daily eff 24th February 2020.

[bcn_boy]

Loganair should increase their Cardiff rotations to two daily making it suitable for the business traveller.

[VickersVicount]

AMS, DUB, FRA, CDG, DXB... all up for sept in CAA stats. Not bad. JFK and EWR holding up too.

[mwm991]

IMO the rebirth and fresh investment into Flybe/connect airways puts the lid on loganairs expansion attempts. Highlands & Islands and other UK/IRE regional travel looks like it's going to be their lot. Can't see much of a push into major markets again. Pulled out of London and never went for Manchester when BE dropped the route.

[CabinCrewe]

IMO the rebirth and fresh investment into Flybe/connect airways puts the lid on loganairs expansion attempts. Highlands & Islands and other UK/IRE regional travel looks like it's going to be their lot. Can't see much of a push into major markets again. Pulled out of London and never went for Manchester when BE dropped the route.
Which those who have 'seen it all before' could have predicted. Stick with what your good at...
I don't see SEN lasting with anyone TBH in the longterm.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

I agree with CabinCrewe, good point well made.
I have seen nothing so far that suggests Virgin Connect will be anymore than another fresh coat of paint. Putting lipstick on a Dash so to speak.

As for “being their lot”, that’s often a good thing. There’s longevity in quickly knowing when to quit!

[solent]

Read this just this morning, news to me on the Luton flight yet it’s still available to book for March on the easy jet website!?!?;

After losing its easyJet connection to Luton, Glasgow is facing another defection with Loganair scrapping its service to and from Southend from 3 January. It leaves the Scottish airport with Heathrow, London City and limited Stansted flights.



https://www.btnews.co.uk/images2017/191118/Loganair.jpgLoganair: A rare step back.


The Southend decision is a rare step back for Loganair. It has been highly active this year, most recently (BTN 23 September (https://www.btnews.co.uk/article/15144)) when it took over routes linking Edinburgh and Glasgow with East Midlands following Flybe withdrawing its services.

A spokesman said: "We made the decision due to the high number of low-fare options in the Glasgow to London market for which our size aircraft are unsuitable." Loganair will instead increase Glasgow – East Midlands services to three times a day from 24 February.

Elsewhere, Loganair has welcomed its 25,000th passenger (below) since starting operations from Newcastle International Airport. The business traveller from Belgium was handed free tickets for a return trip to the North East.

The tickets were handed over by the airport’s aviation development executive Chris Ion and marketing and communications manager Kate Hall.

Loganair opened a base at Newcastle in March when it took over flights to Brussels and Stavanger following the administration of flybmi and has added six routes since.

www.loganair.co.uk (https://www.loganair.co.uk/)

[Flightrider]

No change to GLA-LTN for easyJet. Think BTN must have that report badly wrong.

[willy wombat]

BTN also missed out LGW served by EZY and BA. Quality journalism, not!

[awwdabaaby]

Easyjet to start Barcelona 3xweekly, Dalaman 2xweekly and Pula 2xweekly from 29th March 2020, Pula starts 22nd June

[awwdabaaby]

TUI to start Hurghada from 7th November 2020

[ld0595]

Looks like EK 27/28 is becoming an A380 year round according to the EK booking engine.

[natmci]

TUI to BJV on a Monday no longer available for Summer 2020, still up for Summer 2021. Nothing replacing it yet

[martin102]

Airlineroutes reporting A380 for Winter 20/21 Emirates. Further alterations possible it adds.

[VickersVicount]

been bookable since November

[natmci]

TUI adding an extra NAP (now 3 flights a week) on a Monday morning with DLM moving to the evening, replacing the BJV flight

[Plane mad 134]

TUI adding a Naples on a Monday morning with DLM moving to the evening, replacing the BJV flight

All Tui have done is move an EDI route to GLA. It's a real shame for EDI but a good gain for GLA. In saying that at the moment it looks like GLA will lose a based unit in S21 with lot's of frequency cuts, hopefully these will be filled at a later time.

[ROC10]

All Tui have done is move an EDI route to GLA. It's a real shame for EDI but a good gain for GLA. In saying that at the moment it looks like GLA will lose a based unit in S21 with lot's of frequency cuts, hopefully these will be filled at a later time.

Yes, the GLA-BJV route was dropped and NAP shifted from EDI to GLA making 3 weekly (reduces back to 2 for S21 as Monday NAP returns to EDI).

Are you able to provide any evidence regarding the loss of a based unit in S21? From a quick look at the website I can’t say I agree.

[Plane mad 134]

Yes, the GLA-BJV route was dropped and NAP shifted from EDI to GLA making 3 weekly (reduces back to 2 for S21 as Monday NAP returns to EDI).

Are you able to provide any evidence regarding the loss of a based unit in S21? From a quick look at the website I can’t say I agree.

Yes here are all the cuts for S21:
· Salzburg 1x weekly flight on a Sat cancelled.
· Naples decreases to 2x weekly with Mon Cancelled as previously said.
· Verona 2x weekly flights on Wed and Sat cancelled.
· Montego Bay 1x weekly flight on a Tue cancelled.
· Cancun reduces from 4x to 3x weekly with a Tue flight cancelled.

4x weekly B737-800 flights down and 2x weekly down on B787. This has improved though as originally TFS, DLM, REU and PMI all were seeing a frequency decrease.

[ROC10]

Yes here are all the cuts for S21:
· Salzburg 1x weekly flight on a Sat cancelled.
· Naples decreases to 2x weekly with Mon Cancelled as previously said.
· Verona 2x weekly flights on Wed and Sat cancelled.
· Montego Bay 1x weekly flight on a Tue cancelled.
· Cancun reduces from 4x to 3x weekly with a Tue flight cancelled.

4x weekly B737-800 flights down and 2x weekly down on B787. This has improved though as originally TFS, DLM, REU and PMI all were seeing a frequency decrease.

That certainly doesn’t look close to the loss of a based aircraft. Besides, it’s still very early for S21 which has only really been provisionally released - we’re likely to see more of a ‘final’ release around April I believe. As mentioned, NAP is not so much of a reduction as it was added late for S20 to replace BJV which returns in S21. I’d also wager that SZG will not be on a TOM aircraft in S20 and so may be added later for S21.

You’re also incorrect on CUN - it operates 4x weekly during various weeks in S21. It also only operates 2/3x weekly some weeks during S20 (although does operate 5x weekly some weeks in S20) so it’s an over-simplification to say it operates “x” times weekly. It is in fact very variable.

[Plane mad 134]

That certainly doesn’t look close to the loss of a based aircraft. Besides, it’s still very early for S21 which has only really been provisionally released - we’re likely to see more of a ‘final’ release around April I believe. As mentioned, NAP is not so much of a reduction as it was added late for S20 to replace BJV which returns in S21. I’d also wager that SZG will not be on a TOM aircraft in S20 and so may be added later for S21.

You’re also incorrect on CUN - it operates 4x weekly during various weeks in S21. It also only operates 2/3x weekly some weeks during S20 (although does operate 5x weekly some weeks in S20) so it’s an over-simplification to say it operates “x” timely weekly. It is in fact very variable.

Any increase for Scotland is good, no matter GLA or EDI or ABZ, I really hope all these flights get added, but I'm going of what the website says. Regarding CUN I do understand what you mean as it is very variable but overall looks like the Tuesday flight is gone all S21, which leaves 2x weekly 787 flights needing filled, I hope Tui either add 2 extra GLA flights or put it to use at EDI on a 1x weekly Orlando and 1x weekly Cancun or 2x weekly Orlando flight.

[natmci]

Yes here are all the cuts for S21:
· Salzburg 1x weekly flight on a Sat cancelled.
· Naples decreases to 2x weekly with Mon Cancelled as previously said.
· Verona 2x weekly flights on Wed and Sat cancelled.
· Montego Bay 1x weekly flight on a Tue cancelled.
· Cancun reduces from 4x to 3x weekly with a Tue flight cancelled.

4x weekly B737-800 flights down and 2x weekly down on B787. This has improved though as originally TFS, DLM, REU and PMI all were seeing a frequency decrease.

TUI have not launched their Lakes & Mountains for Summer 2021 as this doesn't happen until April, explaining the SZG & VRN, therefore only seeing 1x weekly flights cut which is the NAP which will move back to EDI with BJV starting in place of it.

Also, SZG and 1x weekly VRN are operated by BA CityFlyer for S20, presumably this will continue in S21

[VickersVicount]

DUB - GLA increased to 6x daily from April 20. Not clear if just a summer increase. All on ATR.

[Plane mad 134]

WS3 YYZ-LGW B787-9 C-GUDH and VS78 BGI-MAN B747-400 G-VROS both diverting to GLA.

[VHF4]

Heard DUB GLA ten a week after may ?

[Plane mad 134]

FI440 KEF-MAN B757-200 TF-FIK is diverting to Glasgow.

[VickersVicount]

Heard DUB GLA ten a week after may ?
You'll need to give us more details than that....

[sinbad73]

KU1320 now enroute GLA-KWI. Any ideas for the reason for this flight? MAN thread suggests they have 3 x repatriation flights there. Are there that many Kuwaitis in Scotland?

[GrahamK]

KU1320 now enroute GLA-KWI. Any ideas for the reason for this flight? MAN thread suggests they have 3 x repatriation flights there. Are there that many Kuwaitis in Scotland?

Could be a fair few students at the various Universities in Glasgow, Edinburgh, St Andrews etc

[ericsson16]

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1665211/middle-east

[VickersVicount]

BA operated a cargo only 777-300 flight to GLA yesterday. That will be a fair old amount to offload esp if cabin used too.

[goldeneye]

United have cancelled EWR service for 2020.

[VickersVicount]

Think that was announced early in May
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/291056/united-2q20-interim-long-haul-and-ns20-update-as-of-0215gmt-02may20/?highlight=glasgow

[GLAEDI]

Air Transat resume YYZ flights on the 26th July. Latest update

https://www.airtransat.com/en-GB/book-uk/resumption-of-our-operations#%2Fprogram

[sinbad73]

EK resume DXB flight from 15 July. 4 x weekly 77W initially on the lunchtime flight - Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays.

[CabinCrewe]

An nice unusual visitor of an Air India 777-200LR tonight into GLA in a one-off flight. Perhaps cargo related.
I think there were rumours in the 90’s around the time of PK flights of a direct Air India GLA passenger flight but would have been a long shot.

[GLAEDI]

Bollywood film crew around 100 pax, plus equipment for filming in Scotland.

[CabinCrewe]

Lots of nice pics and videos. Back out late to BOM today. Shame unlikely to be seen again.
AI aircraft always look so grubby. They should have chosen bright white instead of off cream. Improved BA livery when they did it.
Speaking of AI, hope the 738 Kerala death count doesn’t rise any further.

[awwdabaaby]

Its heading back to Delhi

[CabinCrewe]

Interestingly appears on Flight Radar as ‘Diverted to Delhi’ as originally (up until last night) flight planned to return to BOM.

[awwdabaaby]

I seen something on a Facebook post, cant find it just now, that suggests Air India changed it to Delhi last night and put the flight on sale

[CabinCrewe]

I bet there was a real scramble of punters trying to book that service...
(How would anyone even know about it outwith repatriation consulate sorts?!)

[awwdabaaby]

Unsurprisingly that can be summed up in just 2 words, Air India, they do things in very odd ways

[ifu05596]

aside from the paint job, it probably was grubby... can’t speak for long haul but out of every domestic carrier I have been on in India, they were hands down the worst (mostly because it was grubby!). Jet (rip!), IndiGo, SpiceJet and Vistara all much better

[BHX5DME]

FlyBe code share still in the system !

[Rutan16]

FlyBe code share still in the system !

THIS ! and only in FR24 .

Same for rogue Delta codeshares popping up from cancelled FLYBE KLM and Air France flights

[tictack67]

Toronto is to combine with Manchester, Glasgow to Toronto (via Manchester) to take 10.5 hours, in an A321.

[CabinCrewe]

Toronto is to combine with Manchester, Glasgow to Toronto (via Manchester) to take 10.5 hours, in an A321.
Just like the old days. Im surprised they have offered the route at all in current circumstances...

[tictack67]

Just like the old days. Im surprised they have offered the route at all in current circumstances...

Norwegian's original plan of flying B737 over the pond doesn't seem as crazy now.
They flew 737 even before they got more max a/c on the trans atlantic run.

Personally I'd rather fly on a non stop B737 to YYZ than a scenic 3.5 hour detour

This so far appears only to end October, let's hope so anyway

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Toronto is to combine with Manchester, Glasgow to Toronto (via Manchester) to take 10.5 hours, in an A321.
Hang on.
Routing how? Unless it's YYZ-MAN-GLA-MAN-YYZ, someone's reclearing security. Far from ideal.

[tictack67]

Hang on.
Routing how? Unless it's YYZ-MAN-GLA-MAN-YYZ, someone's reclearing security. Far from ideal.


Routing is YYZ-GLA-MAN-YYZ

​​​​​​1.5hrs Turnaround in Manchester, 1hrs GLA turnaround inbound from YYZ. 1hrs Schedule flight time to MAN.

​​Journey time 10.5hrs from Gla to YYZ, not the old days I want to return to.

That Air Canada B737 from EDI next year doesn't seem so bad now.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

So under DfT rules, the inbound Canadian passengers for MAN, must get off and reclear security at GLA before they can get back on the same aircraft to mix with the Glasgow outbound passengers? Unless that's changed recently....?

[CabinCrewe]

perhaps some thanks the route is operating at all, especially as the triangle route is unlikely to be permanent and in competition with an AC 738 Max.

[tictack67]

perhaps some thanks the route is operating at all, especially as the triangle route is unlikely to be permanent and in competition with an AC 738 Max.

Oh I totally agree with you, so glad they kept the route, when the B767 was dropped from Edi-Yyz was glad route was kept even with a B737.

No airport and no route is safe in these time. We'll have to get use to double drops, short term suspensions and smaller aircraft, so size queens will need to suck it up meantime.

Flew LAX-LHR last week with BA. 25 on board, of those 2 were in club world

[A350Saltire]

I’d be surprised if that gets much interest.

The AC 737 from EDI operates 4x a week. Is there much chance the other 3x a week could be from GLA or is that overkill?

[toledoashley]

BlueAir adding Bucharest twice weekly between 18th December & 10th January. Late night arrival Tuesday into Wednesday, and Saturday into Sunday.

[tictack67]

Winter'20
Schedule loaded 4 times a week (Days 1.3.5.7) utilising a B777-300

Summer '21
Daily flight on B777-300

[sinbad73]

EZY launching 2 x weekly GLA-TFS and GLA-LPA from November.