Glasgow-3 [Archive] - Page 2

Breathe

23rd Oct 2018, 15:52

Here's the article with Gordon Dewar's claims:

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-airport-chief-claims-public-purse-used-to-lure-services-to-glasgow-1-2692118

EDINBURGH Airport boss Gordon Dewar today claimed public money was being used to give rivals Glasgow an unfair advantage.

He alleged taxpayers’ cash had been handed out in a successful attempt to lure flights away from the Capital

His claim follows the decision by German airline Lufthansa to switch its six-flights-a-week Dusseldorf service from Edinburgh to Glasgow from next April.

Glasgow City Marketing Bureau, which is funded by Glasgow City Council, has confirmed it provided up to £40,000 in marketing support, which it said would help increase passenger volumes.

VickersVicount

23rd Oct 2018, 16:04

presumably all before the reorganisation of LH ops (2hrs on a EW Dash8?) and subsequent launch of daily FRA and upguaged Munich which have taken the bulk of the German traffic and are much preferred.
Nothing to see here.

sf01

23rd Oct 2018, 22:03

Wasn’t the DUS route the one that LH moved to GLA from EDI a few years ago because they felt it was the stronger market? Does not appear to have been the case after all.

That was 6 years ago, the market will have changed considerably by now with the addition of FRA/MUC, both of which appear to be doing well.

air2000dub

25th Oct 2018, 08:52

I have positioned on the Eurowings GLA-DUS at various points this year and the flights have been over 70 pax every time. Looking at the pax profile it appears more a leisure market from the German side, so not sure how the loads hold up during the winter. They also appear to take a lot of onward connecting passengers as well.

nivsy

6th Nov 2018, 20:38

DUS from GLA had come and gone over the years. It's a shame that GLA cannot it appears hold this German route even if other German destinations apparantly seem reasonable loaded, although not sure what the yields are. DUS is a busy airport.

VickersVicount

7th Nov 2018, 07:27

Going from no mainline German destinations to 3 with a finite travelling population was always going to be a struggle. I think most are far happier having FRA than a Dash 8 prop to DUS.

M-JCS

7th Nov 2018, 08:34

[QUOTE=VickersVicount;10290447]presumably all before the reorganisation of LH ops (2hrs on a EW Dash8?) and subsequent launch of daily FRA and upguaged Munich which have taken the bulk of the German traffic and are much preferred.
Nothing to see here.

2 hours? Quite sure that is not correct - certainly not for flight time. As regards the desirability of FRA, taxiing for at least 20 minutes to a remote stand for offloading and a bus ride of another 20 minutes to the terminal never seemed like an efficient use of time to me. Yes, FRA and MUCH have more connections than DUS, because they are the major LH hubs. But DUS has access to far more industry for the business flier. There is definitely market differentiation between DUS and FRA and, for that matter, DUS and/or FRA and MUC.

Breathe

15th Nov 2018, 16:34

Any news regarding confirmation of Eurowings?

Hopefully Loganair do get the slots to the German airports. GLA could do with a bit of good news on the routes front.

Plane.Silly

16th Nov 2018, 10:12

Hopefully Loganair do get the slots to the German airports. GLA could do with a bit of good news on the routes front.

How about this? BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-46222308)

Ryanair Re-instating 4 of the chopped routes for S19. Alicante, Malaga, Brussels (Charleroi) and Warsaw starting from April 1st (no it's not an April fools joke)

WAW (Mondays and Fridays) from 1st April,
ALC (Thursdays and Sundays) from 4th April
CRL (Tuesdays and Saturdays) from 2nd April
AGP (Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays) from 4th April

VickersVicount

16th Nov 2018, 12:17

Theyve been available since Sept, this is just PR spin. Someone posted about reinstatement back in Sept

awwdabaaby

16th Nov 2018, 13:10

ALC and AGP start on 2nd April

Breathe

28th Nov 2018, 14:05

Some good news for GLA, for once:

https://www.glasgowairport.com/media-centre/blue-air-increases-capacity-on-bucharest-route-by-20-000-seats/
Blue Air increases capacity on Bucharest route by 20,000 seats

Glasgow Airport has welcomed Blue Air’s decision to add further services to Bucharest on the airline’s winter schedule this year and in summer 2019.The current winter schedule will increase from two flights per weeks every Thursday and Sunday to include an additional Monday service.From April 5 next year the summer schedule will increase from three flights per week every Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday to include an additional Friday service.Blue Air’s Bucharest service was first launched at Glasgow Airport in 2015 and the Romanian city continues to be a popular destination for leisure and business travellers.Paul White, Head of Aviation at Glasgow Airport, said: “Bucharest is one of Romania’s most culturally-significant cities and is steeped in history. This stunning city is also Romania’s industrial and financial centre, so there continues to be a high demand for these flights from our passengers. “The Bucharest route is also very popular with Scotland’s thriving Romanian community, given it is Scotland’s only existing flight to the southeastern European country, so Blue Air’s decision to significantly increase its capacity is welcome news indeed.”

mullac30

15th Dec 2018, 16:22

Some good long-haul news at long last; year round New York flights are to return after the UA reductions last year. Delta seem to be increasing the JFK route to year round in W19, but it's not bookable yet, according to AirlineRoute.

CabinCrewe

16th Dec 2018, 06:30

Im yet to be comvinced that is based on a formal/official source and for truly year round. Its just something that someones posted on various forums so naturally starts to become gospel...

awwdabaaby

16th Dec 2018, 07:09

It's on gds and the delta flight schedule so hardly someone making it up

tartan 201

16th Dec 2018, 07:53

It's on gds and the delta flight schedule so hardly someone making it up

As I type, the Delta website shows no direct GLA <>JFK services after 26/10/19.

billyg

16th Dec 2018, 10:53

It's on gds and the delta flight schedule so hardly someone making it up

Let's hope it happens , the EDI fans on here seem restless at the prospect !

VickersVicount

17th Dec 2018, 10:34

EK A380 confirmed and bookable now on GLA-DXB (during runway works April) then initially on one of the two daily until Sept
Big increase in seats to fill esp with EDI now offering ( less than daily) DXB with very competitive cheaper fares....
Im sure theyve done their homework

CabinCrewe

17th Dec 2018, 15:05

Slightly curious its only until September.
Not sure many other A380 upgauges have been seasonal /temporary.
Does the back reduction then coincide with EDI going daily?

Breathe

17th Dec 2018, 15:34

Does GLA now have an A380 gate?

It would be a bit of a waste of money to spend the money upgrading the gate just for a temporary service. Perhaps EK are using the DXB runway maintenance as an oppurtunity to bed in/test the A380 at GLA?

Still it is welcome news for passengers and plane spotters and GLA in general. :)

Skipness One Foxtrot

17th Dec 2018, 16:33

Stand 30 is being modified for A380 ops, this has been planned for a while it seems. As for the return to the B777, that’s likely dependent on how well EDI and GLA work alongside each other. Continental (later United) started off being GLA focussed building to DC10s then opened EDI, split GLA/EDI biased to GLA, then biased to EDI, then GLA dropped to seasonal. There is a comparable structural weakness in the inbound market on the western side now. Only time will tell, I suspect they are keeping their options wide open.

CabinCrewe

18th Dec 2018, 12:50

DUS first of the much mooted Loganair Euro embraer ventures. Shame they got hardly any of the slots requested.
Wonder if BRU and CPH were those not successful or still to be announced

Chris_747

20th Dec 2018, 20:13

Believe the FlyLolo Christmas charter flights from Glasgow to Tenerife have been cancelled last minute, some not very happy people on social media having to rebook with other airlines

VickersVicount

20th Dec 2018, 21:05

FlyLolo... i mean really... why would you?!

awwdabaaby

20th Dec 2018, 21:53

The flights have been operated for the past 3-4 years but have NEVER operated so hardly a surprise

Kilpatricknick

1st Jan 2019, 18:45

Slightly curious its only until September.
Not sure many other A380 upgauges have been seasonal /temporary.
Does the back reduction then coincide with EDI going daily?
Talking to a colleague based in GLA's operations team last night specifically re the cost benefits of £8M to accommodate the A380s and he suggested Emirates have pledged an annual upgrade for at least the next three years from at least one of their B777s to the A380 from May - October. The possibility of running it all year round from next year has not been discounted however is said to be unlikely at this stage. Might explain the reasoning's behind the significant investment.

nef

4th Jan 2019, 10:16

DUS first of the much mooted Loganair Euro embraer ventures. Shame they got hardly any of the slots requested.
Wonder if BRU and CPH were those not successful or still to be announced

If they've missed out on CPH it's probably a blessing in disguise! EDI-CPH is saturated with loco capacity and ultra cheap fares and it would be difficult for LM to compete with that imo. I do believe there may be more to come though......

On another note, I see egpfforum has been down for a few days, anyone know what's up?

CabinCrewe

4th Jan 2019, 12:15

Often 'new year' disruptions to webpages are just server subscription issues. I suspect some of these local spotter forums will be exactly in that boat.

tartan 201

4th Jan 2019, 14:48

Talking to a colleague based in GLA's operations team last night specifically re the cost benefits of £8M to accommodate the A380s and he suggested Emirates have pledged an annual upgrade for at least the next three years from at least one of their B777s to the A380 from May - October. The possibility of running it all year round from next year has not been discounted however is said to be unlikely at this stage. Might explain the reasoning's behind the significant investment.

Spending £8m in return for a pledge to upgrade one of the daily flights from May to October for three years works out at about £55 for each additional pledged seat. (Each A380 flight having 489 seats, so 135 more than the 354 on a 773; 180 days from 1/5 to (say) 27/10; 135*2*180*3=145,800 additional seats; £8,000,000/145,800 = £54.87). That seems a fairly high cost per additional pledged seat, especially in the context of the 2017 accounts which showed a turnover of c.£122million and 9.895m passengers, so turnover of about £12.30 per passenger.

sdh2903

4th Jan 2019, 18:32

Talking to a colleague based in GLA's operations team last night specifically re the cost benefits of £8M to accommodate the A380s and he suggested Emirates have pledged an annual upgrade for at least the next three years from at least one of their B777s to the A380 from May - October. The possibility of running it all year round from next year has not been discounted however is said to be unlikely at this stage. Might explain the reasoning's behind the significant investment.

Maybe you could remind your colleague that there are plenty of other airlines at GLA who are making do with rusting dilapidated airbridges on the rest of the stands, that is when they are working. Fixed gpu's that are constantly tripping. Security doors hanging off and not closing. 8m quid could have gone a long way to tidying up and improving things for everyone rather than for 1 airline who *might* put in an a380. Typical 1 eyed-ness from the gla management.

Mister Geezer

5th Jan 2019, 15:20

I suspect the airport view the 8 million to be an investment in positive P R and a hope for greater interest in the airport and not only just money spent on a new asset, that will generally only benefit one airline. I am sure AGS will be acutely aware that such a milestone is not going to be replicated by their peers over at EDI any time soon, which probably only increases their drive to get this aircraft operating soon. Whether you're a 380 fan or not, the machine does turn heads, get people talking and generate interest and all at a time that is rather lacklustre for GLA.

This is a high stakes situation for AGS as EK pax throughput at GLA has dipped around 15% for the first two months after EDI started. If demand doesn't exceed 'pre-EDI' numbers with the A380 then it does raise the question if there is a need for the aircraft for the time being at least?

If for any reason the A380 is not the success that it is hoped to be, then it will be a far more painful result for AGS than it will be for EK.

CabinCrewe

5th Jan 2019, 15:56

I cant believe for a minute (when we were told by some 'commentators' the GLA service was full of EDI catchment pax) that there wasnt likely to be a decent drop in GLA figured when EDI EK was launched. To be only 15% reduction (noting other UK route drops incl MAN also) I would have thought this is not particularly unusual or unexpected unless rate increases month on month significantly. The majority of travellers IMO will not give two hoots if its an A380 or not, and further more will not change their very cost sensitive plans if there is (as there currently is) significant discounts on other services at EDI. Unless the EK booking system changes (outwith launch publicity) there is no fanfare made during booking about the aircraft type and is actually quite subtle (except additional later info when booking eg F )

awwdabaaby

7th Jan 2019, 11:29

TUI will base 2x737 Max 8 at the airport from May 2019

DOUGALD

19th Jan 2019, 13:26

Just heard that Thomas Cook are to base just one a321 for winter 2019.

Jet2_GLA

24th Jan 2019, 13:11

Just heard that Thomas Cook are to base just one a321 for winter 2019.

really? Where is this?

CabinCrewe

24th Jan 2019, 13:23

really? Where is this?
Most UK TCX winter bases reducing significantly. The value of the TS Canadian deal far outweighs risk of mid winter UK bookings.
Dont think there is any drama here.

OltonPete

24th Jan 2019, 18:47

really? Where is this?
The Thomas Cook timetable although inaccurate for the current flights it is usually reliable and it shows GLA next winter 7 flights a week to 4 destinations (ACE, FUE, LPA & TFS) but I only checked a week in November 19 and a week in Feb 20. Fear not it is across the board with EMA just one aircraft and BHX back to 2 based. Even Manchester short-haul appears only to be 5 based but I have no idea if it is up or down. However a long time to go so there could be changes.

Pete

ld0595

24th Jan 2019, 22:39

How's progress with the A380 gate? Last I saw in the middle of December it was just a steel frame and not much else. Presumably still on track for completion in April?

Asturias56

30th Jan 2019, 16:39

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-47054170

Glasgow Airport bosses have called for urgent action to improve transport links with the city centre.

Managing director Mark Johnston said the airport was the only one of its size in Europe reliant on road access amid worsening congestion on the M8. He is due to meet Scotland's transport secretary this week to press for progress on the issue. It comes as a new report said the airport contributed £1.44bn to the economy and supported 30,000 jobs. The airport consultancy firm York Aviation also said the airport handled £3.5bn in global imports and exports in 2017 and that passenger numbers were projected to almost double from 9.7 million (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-42650797) to 17 million a year.'Something needs to happen'However, bosses warned that improved transport links were crucial to its future success. The most recent plans to connect Glasgow Airport to the rail network (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-34931594) faltered in 2017 amid concern about their economic impact to existing infrastructure. But Mr Johnston told the BBC's Good Morning Scotland (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0074hf7) programme: "We're the only airport in Europe that has road as its only means of access. The recent studies have shown that the congestion is only increasing on the M8. We have the funding available through the City Deal, so I think there's a genuine acceptance that something needs to happen." Mr Johnston said he was due to attend a meeting later this week with Transport Secretary Michael Matheson and local council leaders. He added: "There's an acceptance now that something needs to happen. As I say, we're the only airport now without some kind of connectivity like that. We want to grow, we have plans for growth, the M8 is becoming more congested so we need action."
Knock-on effect'As part of the investment into facilities, £8m is currently being invested to upgrade the airport ahead of Emirates operating a Dubai service - on the world's largest commercial aircraft, the A380 - from April.
A new advanced manufacturing innovation district by the airport is also estimated to create up to 10,000 additional jobs. Two tenants have already been confirmed in the £56m medical manufacturing innovation centre and the £65m national manufacturing institute for Scotland. Finance Secretary Derek Mackay, also MSP for Renfrewshire North and West where the airport is based, said: "Renfrewshire benefits hugely from having Glasgow Airport on our doorstep, forming a vital part of our local community. The economic growth and jobs the airport brings to the local area, and to the wider west of Scotland region, is massive and has had a huge positive knock-on effect throughout Renfrewshire and the surrounding areas."

CabinCrewe

30th Jan 2019, 16:58

17 million? where are they all going to come from.
Barring the A380 now, the report for rail link is identical to that proposed many years ago
Heavy rail had no business case then and I suspect still doesnt

LOGICAL

31st Jan 2019, 13:10

West jet upgrading 5 out of 6 flights this summer to a max8 which is obviously good news in terms of them retaining the route at GLA.

billyg

1st Feb 2019, 00:11

West jet upgrading 5 out of 6 flights this summer to a max8 which is obviously good news in terms of them retaining the route at GLA.

Absolutely , increasing capacity at Glasgow rather than starting the much rumoured Edinburgh-Halifax is great news !

Plane mad 134

1st Feb 2019, 07:01

To be honest, its good for Scotland as a whole, same with if Edinburgh got a service as both airports are giving Scotland more seats for people to buy to fly from/to here.

nighthawk117

1st Feb 2019, 09:35

Absolutely , increasing capacity at Glasgow rather than starting the much rumoured Edinburgh-Halifax is great news !

It's only an extra 6 seats a flight... not really much to get excited about.

LOGICAL

1st Feb 2019, 10:29

737-700 130 seats. 737-8 174 seats. Not quite sure where the 6 is from?.

billyg

1st Feb 2019, 14:46

737-700 130 seats. 737-8 174 seats. Not quite sure where the 6 is from?.

It comes from their thinking that EDI couldn't possibly lose out to Glasgow on anything !

Plane mad 134

1st Feb 2019, 14:59

Billy I can tell you it doesnt really matter if Glasgow gets something and Edinburgh doesnt as I fly and spot from both these airports, therefore it is a gain for Scotland. Also Edinburgh is still a bigger airport and can get routes Glasgow doesn't, although in the same respect Glasgow will get routes that Edinburgh doesn't have, so its a fair split and Im happy that Glasgow have got this increase as it will help the Canada to Scotland traffic and vice versa.

nighthawk117

1st Feb 2019, 16:50

737-700 130 seats. 737-8 174 seats. Not quite sure where the 6 is from?.
my mistake - I thought they used the -800s to Glasgow.

willy wombat

2nd Feb 2019, 10:29

SWBKCB

2nd Feb 2019, 10:52

A bias towards the capital city when it comes to spending on public transport infrastructure? :eek:

Surely not...

gghdev

2nd Feb 2019, 11:07

Is there a bias in favour of Edinburgh as it's where the MSPs hang out?

It’s worth remembering that local transport initiatives are driven by the councils, not the government. If Glasgow City Council wanted to take forward a tram project, it could certainly attempt to do as Edinburgh did, by seeking the powers and the finance.

By contrast, it’s Transport Scotland, an angency of the Scottish Government, that promotes projects related to the rail network, and it’s the Scottish Government that cancelled both EARL and GARL. The SNP Government were also hostile towards the Edinburgh Trams project, I think it’s fair to say. So, I definitely don’t think the Government have any sort of Edinburgh bias — the idea in itself it’s just an easy way for certain folks to play victim.

inOban

2nd Feb 2019, 12:08

I thought most of the funding for the tram came from the council. And considering the fortune spent on the M8/M74 completion...

CabinCrewe

2nd Feb 2019, 12:24

The largest section of which was outwith Glasgow City in South Lanarkshire and as I understand it came under budget.
The funding was shared with three Scottish Councils and Transport Scotland.

inOban

2nd Feb 2019, 12:56

Considering these roads are part of the Primary Trunk Road network, I would have thought that most of the money would have been from TS. Except possibly for work on eg the road which parallels the M8 between Newhouse and Bailleston.

SWBKCB

2nd Feb 2019, 13:01

A bias towards the capital city when it comes to spending on public transport infrastructure? :eek:

Surely not...

Apologies, I was trying to suggest that it was an odd question for somebody from the south east of England to be asking, rather then a comment on Scottish goings on.

Rob Royston

2nd Feb 2019, 16:49

Going back to the rail link issue, I normally fly into and out off EDI but last summer I had an evening flight from GLA. I had been warned the M8 would be busy so left plenty time but I was amazed at how congested the M8 was and would agree with the view that some sort of rail link, probably light rail, is needed. As an émigré Scot living in SE England who has connections with both the East and the West Coast, I have no axe to grind (other than wanting to be able to use both EDI and GLA with ease) but it does seem to me odd that Edinburgh can massively overspend on half a tram system (and now be talking about building the other half) whereas Glasgow can't get a (light) rail link to the airport. Is there a bias in favour of Edinburgh as it's where the MSPs hang out?
Unless Glasgow can sort out it's town centre lack of links between bus and train termini, building a new railway that terminates at Central Station is not going to be attractive to luggage laden travellers.
Scotland has an abundance of green electricity. Electric powered taxis should have a fast way route reserved for them to the airport and rail mounted chargers could be plugged into as they wait at the airport rank. Electric taxis from outwith Renfrewshire that have bought a permit should be allowed to use this rank that would be built into the airport.

edi_local

3rd Feb 2019, 14:43

Going back to the rail link issue, I normally fly into and out off EDI but last summer I had an evening flight from GLA. I had been warned the M8 would be busy so left plenty time but I was amazed at how congested the M8 was and would agree with the view that some sort of rail link, probably light rail, is needed. As an émigré Scot living in SE England who has connections with both the East and the West Coast, I have no axe to grind (other than wanting to be able to use both EDI and GLA with ease) but it does seem to me odd that Edinburgh can massively overspend on half a tram system (and now be talking about building the other half) whereas Glasgow can't get a (light) rail link to the airport. Is there a bias in favour of Edinburgh as it's where the MSPs hang out?

The current party in power were also a minority at the time the Trams were being decided upon. They were against any new transport in the big cities and wanted to upgrade the A9 to Inverness much earlier to try and spread the money and infrastructure improvements around the country. The A9 project is of course now well underway, albeit delayed. They were out voted and Edinburgh ended up with the trams. GLA does need a rail link in some form. Personally I think the light rail idea is probably the best way to go and like Edinburgh have a link to the mainline railway a short distance away. Edinburgh has 2 links to 2 mainline connections only 3 tram stops apart, with Edinburgh Gateway linking to line going North to Fife/Aberdeen/Dundee and Edinburgh Park linking to the Glasgow/Stirling/Perth trains. As for transport bias, not sure that is reflected in reality. Edinburgh may have a new tram network, but it had nothing before. Glasgow already has a huge suburban railway network and underground, both of which have seen investment in recent years and at the moment Glasgow Queen Street is also undergoing a major overhaul.

nighthawk117

5th Feb 2019, 08:37

the idea in itself it’s just an easy way for certain folks to play victim.

And a handy distraction from the fact there was no business case for it - all studies showed the rail link would need a subsidy to keep operating.

ericsson16

5th Feb 2019, 09:12

Funny thing their's a railway line going past the end of Runway 23,other side of the fence to the M8.I forgot it's 2019,too much bother.

sinbad73

6th Feb 2019, 04:04

And a handy distraction from the fact there was no business case for it - all studies showed the rail link would need a subsidy to keep operating.

No doubt the same studies that find it necessary to give 'loans' to Prestwick Airport.

mwm991

6th Feb 2019, 07:43

No doubt the same studies that find it necessary to give 'loans' to Prestwick Airport.
How else am I meant to get to Benidorn for a tenner?

Gibair

6th Feb 2019, 13:24

Funny thing their's a railway line going past the end of Runway 23,other side of the fence to the M8.I forgot it's 2019,too much bother.
Never understood why they didn't exploit the Paisley-Gourock rail link adjacent to the St.James inter-change at the end of 23, as you say it's 2019, probably too difficult an engineering feat!!

CabinCrewe

6th Feb 2019, 16:06

mariofly12

8th Feb 2019, 21:36

Seems Jet2 axed GLA-SKG seasonal...pity..I flew last year and it was packed with holidaymakers from both countries and greek expats living in Scotland

Jet2_GLA

8th Feb 2019, 22:35

Seems Jet2 axed GLA-SKG seasonal...pity..I flew last year and it was packed with holidaymakers from both countries and greek expats living in Scotland

thats a shame. This could be temporary because their are new routes starting May with Jet2 from GLA so it could be until they position more aircraft and the route could be reinstated.

inOban

8th Feb 2019, 22:57

Are they replacing the SKG rotation with an additional flight to another destination? Maybe there aren't enough passengers for flights from both GLA and EDI.

Rob Royston

9th Feb 2019, 09:26

Never understood why they didn't exploit the Paisley-Gourock rail link adjacent to the St.James inter-change at the end of 23, as you say it's 2019, probably too difficult an engineering feat!!
I think Glasgow City Council have a plan for a "Glasgow International Rail Station" near the St James Interchange that would have pods or some other type of people mover into the airport. There are car parks in this area that could also be served by the link. It's a battle for use of funding that was made available by Westminster between Glasgow and Renfrewshire, who want to link to Paisley Gilmour Street.
One of the reports I read last week showed this plan but only mentioned Gilmour Street. It's down the page a bit.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17401188.glasgow-airport-rail-link-plan-axed-again/

Skipness One Foxtrot

9th Feb 2019, 21:01

Anyone ever been to Pisa? They have a light rail that trundles nicely into the city, bit like the DLR.
Still, would never happen in the UK. Couldn't possibly manage it.

Also, am I the only one remembering PIK being built next to a railway line and opening a terminal in 1964 that was finally connected across the road some thirty years later?
GLA is now to EDI what PIK was once to GLA ! #metaphor

SWBKCB

9th Feb 2019, 21:46

Still, would never happen in the UK. Couldn't possibly manage it.

Apart from the DLR, Manchester, Newcastle?

FQTLSteve

10th Feb 2019, 07:55

And LGW, BHX both directly linked to terminals, the latter is on the West Coast Mainline one of the most important in the UK. I think Stansted has an airport too.

Rob Royston

10th Feb 2019, 14:40

I've added a link to the graphic for this station in the post I left yesterday. #332

Rutan16

10th Feb 2019, 14:58

lfc84

10th Feb 2019, 20:24

I think the nearest station to BLK is Squires Gate

Skipness One Foxtrot

10th Feb 2019, 20:33

And LGW, BHX both directly linked to terminals, the latter is on the West Coast Mainline one of the most important in the UK. I think Stansted has an airport too.
I was being flippant, apologies.
The above are good examples of joined up planning, LGW dates from the 1960s and STN from the late 1980s.
Remember that LCY did not have the DLR until it had been open for a good many years, I remember it being built in the mid 2000s, NOT being plugged into public transport held LCY back for years.

ATNotts

11th Feb 2019, 15:35

Birmingham International whilst not next to the terminal has that maglev connection

Maglev was ripped out years, possibly decades ago. Replaced by a conventional system with wheels and wires.

CabinCrewe

11th Feb 2019, 18:04

DXB down 15% in updated CAA stats for Dec
Wonder if that will plateau?
December can be a funny month so perhaps not accurate year round representitive

GLAEDI

11th Feb 2019, 21:48

DXB down 15% in updated CAA stats for Dec
Wonder if that will plateau?
December can be a funny month so perhaps not accurate year round representitive

Seem all UK to DXB were down,

LGW & BHX -9%
LHR -14%
MAN -7%
NCL -5%

EDI being a new route was the only plus. The total lost by GLA & NCL on EK seems to equal roughly the plus EDI has when you include the loss of AUH ie 6,500 lost at NCL & GLA plus the 9,500 lost by Eithad giving EDI 16,000 on EK from EDI.

On AUH route huge losses at MAN -21%

Breathe

17th Feb 2019, 12:46

Progress of the A380 gate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKEflOZH24g

Plane mad 134

1st Mar 2019, 15:51

I see Aer Lingus Regional used ATR42 EI-GEV on 1 of the Dublin rotations today, seems like quite a small plane for the route, nice to spot though, does anyone know why they used the ATR42?

Fairdealfrank

2nd Mar 2019, 20:25

Skip was being a little sarcastic me thinks !

Manchester has both heavy rail and tram
Heathrow has heavyrail and LUL tube
Stansted has heavy rail
City has the DLR a short walk and will have an a connection to the Elizabeth line at some point
Luton is a work in progress however has a bus just down the hill to Parkway
Southend has heavy rail with a short covered walk from the terminal
Gatwick has a huge station next to south terminal
Birmingham International whilst not next to the terminal has that maglev connection
Southampton has a station a few yards from the terminal
Tees side has a station sort of adjacent with a wapping one train a week in one direction
Edinburgh is served by a tram
Blackpool South was a short walk from the terminal however the terminal has effectively been closed
Newcastle has a Metro in Light rail station

Not in case of LCY and Crossrail/Elizabeth, ludicrous considering that a branch of Crossrail will go directly below the terminal. The DLR is at the terminal.

The MME train is what's known as a "parliamentary train" - it's apparently easier to have one train/week to run through a station than to go through the rigmarole of having it closed.

Squires Gate is walking distance from BLK, trains to Blackpool South and Preston IIRC hourly train service.

mwm991

7th Mar 2019, 22:22

Looks like the routes that returned this summer from FR don't return for the winter. Back to just Dublin, Krakow and Wroclaw operating at the same frequencies as W18.

Prestwick also down to 5 routes for next winter and 13 weekly flights (3 less than last year). Bydogoszcz lasted one season. Malta and Fuerteventura look gone permanently.

CCFAIRPORT

7th Mar 2019, 22:55

Rzeszow as well , ends 30/03/2019 fRom PIK

4567

8th Mar 2019, 09:39

Malaga and Warsaw are continuing at 2x per week into the winter.

mwm991

8th Mar 2019, 11:00

Malaga and Warsaw are continuing at 2x per week into the winter.
Are they? Booking engine is blank just now

4567

8th Mar 2019, 11:08

Definetley showing on the ryanair app.

mwm991

8th Mar 2019, 13:18

Ah see it on the app. Just was blank on the website.

VickersVicount

13th Mar 2019, 17:38

Pretty impressive and hopefully promote more invound tourism. Should be pounced upon for marketing. And above Paris!
https://www.timeout.com/things-to-do/best-cities-in-the-world?fbclid=IwAR2tqJ5Yv2xDbj4OaDEvfEgaoaoHVonz8-kgyWO8dtK4N3QO3kRUTB2BU2A

nivsy

13th Mar 2019, 17:52

CabinCrewe

10th Apr 2019, 16:49

Nice to see the TS YYZ route from GLA pencilled in from May 2020 as A321LR
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/283811/air-transat-updates-a321neo-lr-european-network-in-s19s20/

VickersVicount

16th Apr 2019, 16:41

Emirates A380 enroute! Hope all the new infrastructure works out and its a great success. A lot of buzz around it.

Plane mad 134

16th Apr 2019, 18:21

Thats great news! Its on final just now, I hope to see the A380 scheduled in for next summer too.

Kilpatricknick

16th Apr 2019, 21:27

Thats great news! Its on final just now, I hope to see the A380 scheduled in for next summer too.

landed 19.33 and airborne 21.53. Pretty acceptable 2.20 turnaround, Flight rammed both ways as well Look like all worked out at GLA tonight. Well done all

Fly757X

16th Apr 2019, 22:08

I see Aer Lingus Regional used ATR42 EI-GEV on 1 of the Dublin rotations today, seems like quite a small plane for the route, nice to spot though, does anyone know why they used the ATR42?

GEV is sometimes scheduled on this route from time to time between its commitments to CFN/ION, specifically on Sundays so it isn’t far from the norm.

Plane mad 134

16th Apr 2019, 22:28

Ah ok thanks.

GLAFan

16th Apr 2019, 22:57

landed 19.33 and airborne 21.53. Pretty acceptable 2.20 turnaround, Flight rammed both ways as well Look like all worked out at GLA tonight. Well done all

From what I hear flight was not rammed both ways...

480ish inbound and 200ish outbound was what I was told

Midland 331

17th Apr 2019, 14:36

inOban

17th Apr 2019, 15:00

The A380 is to replace the twice-daily service during the runway works at Dubai, although I think it will reappear during the peak season.

Kilpatricknick

17th Apr 2019, 16:36

Is the A380 the normal equipment from now on?

With this leap in capacity, (plus the EDI-DXB), even with significant hubbing opportunities at DXB, this level of service makes no sense to me. I worked in airline sales and marketing for over ten years, so hopefully have a feel for catchment areas,seats and viability.

Its running daily until the end of September i think. Dubai goes back up to twice daily at the start of June with the 777 taking the evening slot and the A380 moving to lunchtime.

Not sure what happens in October. EK have suggested this could be an annual seasonal upgrade if successful. No plans to run all year round as yet.

Midland 331

17th Apr 2019, 16:40

Thanks, both!

Meanwhile, I'd love to know some yield control numbers!

nef

17th Apr 2019, 17:18

Thanks, both!

Meanwhile, I'd love to know some yield control numbers!

I believe it's a 489 seat A380 that's being used - The service is going from two LD 77Ws pd to 1 LD 77W + 1 A380. So it's going from about 720 seats ewpd to about 850ish - about 135 extra seats ewpd on top of the capacity they've been operating at GLA for many years. As such I'm not sure it's really much of an unreasonable rise, I'm sure EK have increased capacity like this at many airports across their network - when the service sent from 1 to 2 daily many years ago that was a bigger jump in capacity and it seemed to go fine.

I guess EDI plays into it, but we'll have to see - notice QR ramping up frequency at EDI too, perhaps EK actions may be motivated to some extent by this.

OltonPete

17th Apr 2019, 17:38

I believe it's a 489 seat A380 that's being used - The service is going from two LD 77Ws pd to 1 LD 77W + 1 A380. So it's going from about 720 seats ewpd to about 850ish - about 135 extra seats ewpd on top of the capacity they've been operating at GLA for many years. As such I'm not sure it's really much of an unreasonable rise, I'm sure EK have increased capacity like this at many airports across their network - when the service sent from 1 to 2 daily many years ago that was a bigger jump in capacity and it seemed to go fine.

I guess EDI plays into it, but we'll have to see - notice QR ramping up frequency at EDI too, perhaps EK actions may be motivated to some extent by this.

Tonight is a 519 seat aircraft per EK The Source and 491 seat aircraft last night although I can't vouch for the accuracy.

Pete

GLAFan

17th Apr 2019, 23:19

Tonight is a 519 seat aircraft per EK The Source and 491 seat aircraft last night although I can't vouch for the accuracy.

Pete

Can confirm this, inbound had over 500 tonight with only 2 or 3 spare seats. No clue on outbound load though

VickersVicount

18th Apr 2019, 18:49

Reasonably substantial BA Lounge refurb at GLA in June. Glad to see ongoing investment. ABZ refurb model expected.

Billyboeing

30th Apr 2019, 12:19

Anyone on here a subscriber to the egpfforum? It has been unavailable since 20th April, never known it to be down for so long.

Kilpatricknick

30th Apr 2019, 21:51

EK26 A380 lined up about an hour ago to head off to DXB - ended up trundling down the runway and back to the stand where its sits right now. Wonder why? First blip since its arrival

GLAEDI

30th Apr 2019, 23:47

EK26 A380 lined up about an hour ago to head off to DXB - ended up trundling down the runway and back to the stand where its sits right now. Wonder why? First blip since its arrival

Airbourne at 2307 to DXB, presume a mechanical issue, fixed and off we go. Due in DXB one hour late nothing much out of the ordinary. Inbound pax 499 on a config of F14C76Y399 so a tad chocker

nef

1st May 2019, 11:56

Anyone on here a subscriber to the egpfforum? It has been unavailable since 20th April, never known it to be down for so long.

Afaik there has been a problem with the domain. I believe a new replacement forum is in the pipeline, so hopefully that should be up and running soon.

Billyboeing

1st May 2019, 12:52

Afaik there has been a problem with the domain. I believe a new replacement forum is in the pipeline, so hopefully that should be up and running soon.

Thank you, it actually came back on-line last night.

awwdabaaby

1st May 2019, 13:15

The egpfforum.com is back up and running. The domain problem has been resolved but the replacement is now a back up option

CabinCrewe

4th May 2019, 20:45

average delay on EK GLA-DXB at least 30mins. Too much for local handlers to cope or early days?
Seems lots of cargo being diverted due to less capacity than 2x day 773

ScottishAviator

5th May 2019, 10:43

average delay on EK GLA-DXB at least 30mins. Too much for local handlers to cope or early days?
Seems lots of cargo being diverted due to less capacity than 2x day 773

Do you have access to on-stand & off-stand times to question local handling?
Have you factored in inbound delays?
One outbound sector had to return to stand to offload a passenger + hold luggage.
Remember scheduled times are still set to B777 slot of 1 hour 45 minutes.
Obviously cargo has had to be re-routed during this period of single runway use at Dubai

Plane.Silly

8th May 2019, 10:29

Jet2 finally seem to be on sale with Summer 2020

VickersVicount

8th May 2019, 12:57

Jet2 finally seem to be on sale with Summer 2020
With no real noteworthy changes or expansion

CabinCrewe

13th May 2019, 16:59

Assuming the GLA Seoul charters gone for this year (given that Riga has gained the GLA 2018 flight numbers/timings) ?
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/284198/korean-air-schedules-riga-charters-in-2q19/

CabinCrewe

14th May 2019, 08:15

Presumably the GLA-IOM 'extras' this month and next are for the TT-Races? Only just realised there is no routine regular service!

Billyboeing

14th May 2019, 09:46

Yes that's right purely for the TT races. Yet another route that GLA can't 'sustain' for some reason.

VickersVicount

14th May 2019, 17:47

Yes that's right purely for the TT races. Yet another route that GLA can't 'sustain' for some reason.
A stalwart of a route that now shifts more East. The theory of lots of seats at bargain prices can often stimulate demand... too much for a quick EZY rotation? Never looked at the historical figures to see what it carried at its height.
No disrespect, but last time I was in Isle of Man, I couldn't wait to leave!

CandyBender

14th May 2019, 20:02

Presumably the GLA-IOM 'extras' this month and next are for the TT-Races? Only just realised there is no routine regular service!

Eastern managed to fill a daily J41 between IOM-GLA, as did Citywing with 2 daily L410s at higher fares than Loganair charge on their less frequent EDI-IOM. I've taken the EDI service four times now and the highest load has been leaving IOM on a Friday evening with 20 on board the 340. Whilst the tram to Edinburgh Park & the train back to Glasgow is a pain (and there's normally quite a few pax doing just the same) it still beats the train down to Lancaster/Liverpool and the ferry. Loganair started the EDI service when Eastern were still running the GLA route so I guess they don't want to drop the route relatively soon after starting it.

inOban

14th May 2019, 20:25

Just curious, but why do you take the tram and train rather than the direct coach?

CandyBender

14th May 2019, 20:33

Just curious, but why do you take the tram and train rather than the direct coach?

Airdrie-Bathgate line trains go straight through to my station, 5 minute walk away, without having to change, so I'm door to door in around 90 minutes with only the change at Edinburgh Park.

inOban

14th May 2019, 21:33

Makes sense!

Billyboeing

15th May 2019, 08:18

Re EZY rotation, they do BFS/IOM and BRS/IOM twice a week both Mon and Fri.
Ideal for weekend trips or a bit longer so sure GLA/IOM would work..

VickersVicount

22nd May 2019, 21:35

Got a version of this emailed. Seems an additional brand new lounge option at GLA, assuming this will be more upmarket that the current UpperDeck offering (which isn't great). Think I would have preferred an external competitive lounge provider than than these inhouse attempts.
Glasgow Airport unveils designs for new £1.6m executive lounge | Airport Business (http://www.airport-business.com/2019/05/glasgow-airport-unveils-designs-new-1-6m-executive-lounge/)

CabinCrewe

26th May 2019, 09:16

Was the GLA-Linz BACF charter yesterday a one-off or regular charter series?

OltonPete

26th May 2019, 09:53

Was the GLA-Linz BACF charter yesterday a one-off or regular charter series?

Could it be GLA - SZG as Flybe started their Inghams charter BHX-SZG yesterday but routed to Linz as Salzburg has been closed since late April due to planned runway maintenance - it is back open mid-week.

Pete

Falcon666

26th May 2019, 10:32

CabinCrewe

26th May 2019, 10:40

Could it be GLA - SZG as Flybe started their Inghams charter BHX-SZG yesterday but routed to Linz as Salzburg has been closed since late April due to planned runway maintenance - it is back open mid-week.

Pete
Oh yes I forgot about that. Seems plausible

LiamNCL

26th May 2019, 10:49

Oh yes I forgot about that. Seems plausible

NCL-SZG flew NCL-LNZ aswell , SZG Notam suggest that the runways and taxiways are closed for works.

Plane mad 134

28th May 2019, 13:09

Seen elsewhere that Glasgow to Munich has been cut with Lufthansa for the winter and Frankfurt will be less than daily, shame if true.

VickersVicount

28th May 2019, 14:34

Seen elsewhere that Glasgow to Munich has been cut with Lufthansa for the winter and Frankfurt will be less than daily, shame if true.
At least they are still there... for now. MUC hopefully back for summer. Odd though as MUC can be a winter ski starting point.
Suppose thats what happens when the Scottish market gets flooded with cheap German seats and FR ditches as competition.

mwm991

28th May 2019, 15:17

Seen elsewhere that Glasgow to Munich has been cut with Lufthansa for the winter and Frankfurt will be less than daily, shame if true.
Glasgow is basically an airport like EMA at this point with London flights.

Truly second fiddle now.

Plane mad 134

28th May 2019, 21:28

Sadly Flybe have cut the Cardiff flights to.

nivsy

28th May 2019, 22:36

Yes. Absolutely no surprise on the LH cuts. Glasgow remains and will always be "bucket and spade" seasonal, and one long haul Carrier via DXB for those doing long haul down under etc for hols on year round basis. Soon I suspect BRS will be beating it with pax loads if it is not already!

Skipness One Foxtrot

29th May 2019, 09:39

ScotsSLF

29th May 2019, 11:34

Joe Curry was right.
Yes he was.
It has really become clear just how much of GLA's success and growth was as a result of central planning in the Scottish Airports days who, for all the right reasons, saw GLA as the country's gateway, at the expense of both PIK and EDI. A business has to prioritise in that way if you are responsible for all three. That environment saw a sleepy EDI and a fully capable international capability at GLA, opened just as the transatlantic bubble popped. NWA never got to use and United used it for one winter before axing IAD.
Almost thirty years later, Lufthansa still can't make a decent go of GLA, and there is no more Sabena, legacy European is missing.
BUT the sheer volume of seats from A to B out of Scotland has never been healthier or higher, these are good days to travel. Just not quite the future we were all expecting if we grew up watching BA flying TriStars to JFK....

For me, the day BA launched LGW-EDI before LGW-GLA was the day I knew the market was moving East.

NWA never got to use? Not sure what you mean. Do you mean EDI or GLA? I flew NWA to BOS from GLA in 1990 and then again in 1992 so they were at GLA for a number of years post PIK. Anyway can’t challenge the other points - the fact that the Scottish Parliament is in Edinburgh and the city is the capital of Scotland together with plenty of space available at Turnhouse meant that the shift in aviation power was always heading east. GLA though is still an important Hub with a strong domestic market, several European and North American connections together with the Dubai link. It is still much more than a ‘bucket and spade’ airport as Nivsy claims.

GLCYZ

29th May 2019, 12:36

Was the GLA-Linz BACF charter yesterday a one-off or regular charter series?

It was a one-off, switches to SZG from 1 June ending 14 September. This is for Crystal Ski Holidays/TUI.

Skipness One Foxtrot

29th May 2019, 14:44

NWA never got to use?
The new pier opened Nov'94, NWA left in Oct'94.
Key point is Scottish Airports intended to get an ROI by funneling most of Scotland intercontinental out of GLA and leaving EDI to deal with city P2P, then Edinburgh became a much more well known city destination and GLA and EDI became competitors. EDI now does to GLA what GLA routinely once did to PIK. What a family!

mwm991

29th May 2019, 15:16

Unless you demolish the airport and build it east of the city which will never happen, this is the future.

ATNotts

29th May 2019, 15:24

Unless you demolish the airport and build it east of the city which will never happen, this is the future.

Why do that? It is then so close by road and rail to Edinburgh as to render one or the other airport surplus to requirements.

ScotsSLF

29th May 2019, 22:01

The new pier opened Nov'94, NWA left in Oct'94.
Key point is Scottish Airports intended to get an ROI by funneling most of Scotland intercontinental out of GLA and leaving EDI to deal with city P2P, then Edinburgh became a much more well known city destination and GLA and EDI became competitors. EDI now does to GLA what GLA routinely once did to PIK. What a family!

Ah now I fully understand what you meant in that you were referring to the new international pier at Glasgow. Didn’t pick that up. The power is now definitely in the east as I am having to fly more from EDI due to both frequencies /timings (eg CWL) and costs. Flights to LHR / LGW are frequently a lot cheaper from EDI than GLA so my company books me from there even though I live on the Ayrshire coast.

ifu05596

30th May 2019, 01:11

Flights to LHR / LGW are frequently a lot cheaper from EDI than GLA so my company books me from there even though I live on the Ayrshire coast.

What a ridiculous thing for them to do on so many levels... what is your company’s environmental policy? Having decided that you need to fly having a taxi taking you to and from Edinburgh seems absurd to save a few £!

ScotsSLF

30th May 2019, 05:11

What a ridiculous thing for them to do on so many levels... what is your company’s environmental policy? Having decided that you need to fly having a taxi taking you to and from Edinburgh seems absurd to save a few £!

Taxi? Are you kidding? I drive and park up - it costs less despite the usual airport car park fees. The cost difference in return flights can be around £150 and £200. It only costs an extra £10-£15 in petrol which is slightly offset by the fact that EDI’s terminal car park is actually slightly cheaper than GLA’s equivalent so travelling the extra 70 return miles is still a lot cheaper on many occasions. The biggest challenge is the time to catch a red eye at 0650 with the journey taking 80 mins instead of 40 depending on how clogged up EDI’s pathetic approach roads are. Now if PIK had an LHR service that would be a real bonus ......dream on!

nef

30th May 2019, 09:18

Taxi? Are you kidding? I drive and park up - it costs less despite the usual airport car park fees. The cost difference in return flights can be around £150 and £200. It only costs an extra £10-£15 in petrol which is slightly offset by the fact that EDI’s terminal car park is actually slightly cheaper than GLA’s equivalent so travelling the extra 70 return miles is still a lot cheaper on many occasions. The biggest challenge is the time to catch a red eye at 0650 with the journey taking 80 mins instead of 40 depending on how clogged up EDI’s pathetic approach roads are. Now if PIK had an LHR service that would be a real bonus ......dream on!

In the face of it I think there is perhaps an argument that's its maybe a little questionable, but your travel plans are up to you and your company and as such, none of our business.

You do raise an issue that, anecdotally at least, appears to be growing - that is more and more people from the GLA catchment flying from EDI "because it's cheaper". This surely suggests that, at least on some routes, yields from EDI are lower. It seems to me to then be a contradiction when airlines claim they make more at EDI and add routes and capacity at EDI rather than GLA. Can anyone explain this to me?

I can see possible economies of scale (and resultant cheaper fares) for airlines with a larger base at EDI than GLA (i.e. EZY), but in the case of an airline operating away based aircraft - i.e. BA LHR or LGW, I'm not sure I see how they can offer lower fares whist at the same time making more money. The obvious answer is that EDI are offering much cheaper charges than GLA, but this is vehemently denied by GLA people every time I've mentioned it.

A350Saltire

30th May 2019, 09:45

EDI to London flights can often be cheaper as there are simply more of them. BA to LHR, LCY and LGW, Flybe to LHR and LCY, U2 to LGW, STN and LTN. FR will
be reducing STN substantially shortly. It is a much more competitive marketplace than GLA to London with a substantially higher number of passengers.

There is no real evidence to suggest that EDI is any cheaper to other Euro destinations. It does have the added bonus of more inbound tourists and business travellers against the outbound passengers so potentially that is why some airlines are dumping GLA in favour of EDI.

ScotsSLF

30th May 2019, 10:40

In the face of it I think there is perhaps an argument that's its maybe a little questionable, but your travel plans are up to you and your company and as such, none of our business.

You do raise an issue that, anecdotally at least, appears to be growing - that is more and more people from the GLA catchment flying from EDI "because it's cheaper". This surely suggests that, at least on some routes, yields from EDI are lower. It seems to me to then be a contradiction when airlines claim they make more at EDI and add routes and capacity at EDI rather than GLA. Can anyone explain this to me?

I can see possible economies of scale (and resultant cheaper fares) for airlines with a larger base at EDI than GLA (i.e. EZY), but in the case of an airline operating away based aircraft - i.e. BA LHR or LGW, I'm not sure I see how they can offer lower fares whist at the same time making more money. The obvious answer is that EDI are offering much cheaper charges than GLA, but this is vehemently denied by GLA people every time I've mentioned it.

The GLA LHR flights are always rammed with perhaps the e caption of the last rotation back to LHR and yes there are fewer flights and no competition. FlyBe have brought a degree of competition at EDI to LHR and LCY and I’ve been surprised at how full my FLyBe flights have been albeit more tourist connections than actual suits. Although with the business dress codes these days going beyond suit and tie it can be difficult to tell!

CabinCrewe

31st May 2019, 16:38

Looking forward to the BA100 Anniversary Boeing 747-400 Domestic show flight planned for GLA (and MAN/NCL) in August.
Currently scheduled as the BOAC livery.
Club Europe should be a hoot!

rog747

31st May 2019, 16:57

Looking forward to the BA100 Anniversary Boeing 747-400 Domestic show flight planned for GLA (and MAN/NCL) in August.
Currently scheduled as the BOAC livery.
Club Europe should be a hoot!

ooh can one book?

Skipness One Foxtrot

31st May 2019, 17:25

Yes you can book, BA1482/BA1487 on Aug25

rog747

31st May 2019, 17:58

Yes you can book, BA1482/BA1487 on Aug25

wow just booked - managed to get Club up and Y back on my Avios - thanks

mariofly12

31st May 2019, 18:24

So you can book the same flight to and fro ?You just deboard and then board the plane again?

rog747

31st May 2019, 18:27

So you can book the same flight to and fro ?You just deboard and the board the plane again?

yes - but the turnaround time is 90 minutes

mariofly12

31st May 2019, 18:37

Is it enough time to exit arrivals,go to departures, go thru passport control and security and be at the gate on time?

rog747

31st May 2019, 18:42

Is it enough time to exit arrivals,go to departures, go thru passport control and security and be at the gate on time?

Has Scotland suddenly left GB? Why have I not beeen told?

We dont need passports LOL - seriously though, gate closes at -20 and as I have will checked in online and will have BP in hand (on app) it will be no issue

mariofly12

1st Jun 2019, 22:56

SealinkBF

2nd Jun 2019, 01:41

Prices went sky high in a few hours. i booked already LHR-GLA but BA system wouldnt give me seats on the 747 after row 33 to the front which is strange since during booking it s clearly stated that there is no businessclass on this flight..So what gives? Why is this happening?

There is business class but when I checked flights yesterday there was 1 seat left in J at an insane price. Its probably been sold now. But there is a J class on the service. I'm just curious about the F cabin!

VickersVicount

2nd Jun 2019, 21:20

I see EK now back to twice daily with A380 on the afternoon rotation and 773 back on the evening departure which should ease the cargo issues.
Interesting to see later in summer what it does to the figures

househunter

3rd Jun 2019, 15:32

Glasgow and Aberdeen are owned by the same operated, and Aberdeen are losing flights monthly just now. Again much cheaper to fly from Edinburgh. but we are told by the Aberdeen Airport it is the airlines that set the prices. It never seems to come down to the landing fees and costs at the airport.

Plane mad 134

8th Jun 2019, 09:22

Ba 747 retro flights have been cancelled to Glasgow, Manchester and Newcastle. Shame as I hoped to see it.

edi_local

8th Jun 2019, 17:57

Ba 747 retro flights have been cancelled to Glasgow, Manchester and Newcastle. Shame as I hoped to see it.

Me too, I was planning to go through to GLA to see it. Such a shame.

For those who were wondering, yes you could have done both legs very easily with 90 minutes. As you disembark from domestic flights into the terminal at GLA, you would simply just need to stand around and wait for the boarding to start for the return leg. No security needed as you'd just simply be a UK-UK transfer passenger, who already cleared security in LHR.

You only need to clear security in GLA from domestic flights if you come from the highlands and islands which have no screening before departure as the aircraft are too small to legally require it. Those arrivals are sent through IOM/CI arrivals and would need you to go back through security to get to the main hall. Tiree and Barra are two such routes I've flown on the twin otter which didn't use the normal domestic arrivals process at GLA.

AirportPlanner1

8th Jun 2019, 20:40

For those who were wondering, yes you could have done both legs very easily with 90 minutes. As you disembark from domestic flights into the terminal at GLA, you would simply just need to stand around and wait for the boarding to start for the return leg. No security needed as you'd just simply be a UK-UK transfer passenger, who already cleared security in LHR

If you are in effect self-connecting in this way is there a chance they wouldn’t allow you to board as you’ve been offloaded as a no-show? This isn’t GLA specific as I’ve wondered this elsewhere, but if you’ve not scanned your boarding pass to enter airside it seems a risk.

VickersVicount

8th Jun 2019, 21:32

Nice to see TS keeping their twice weekly schedule to YYZ for Winter 19/20

GLAEDI

8th Jun 2019, 22:13

If you are in effect self-connecting in this way is there a chance they wouldn’t allow you to board as you’ve been offloaded as a no-show? This isn’t GLA specific as I’ve wondered this elsewhere, but if you’ve not scanned your boarding pass to enter airside it seems a risk.

There’s Domestic connections at Glasgow, and scanning your boarding pass at security isn’t sent to BA so why would yo be offloaded. So if you wait at BA part of the Terminal after leaving the aircraft you would scan your boarding pass just like you would if you had arrived from any UK airport just less of a walk ie from the East pier where the Loganair flights arrive to BA Departures. All UK airports scan to CAA rules so no need to be rechecked.

BAladdy

11th Jun 2019, 17:58

LH are dropping MUC at the end of the S19 schedule. Maybe a route LM might be interested in taking over.

sinbad73

11th Jun 2019, 18:23

LH are dropping MUC at the end of the S19 schedule. Maybe a route LM might be interested in taking over.

Not dropping it, LH are making their MUC-GLA route seasonal.

BAladdy

11th Jun 2019, 19:11

Not dropping it, LH are making their MUC-GLA route seasonal.

https://www.businesstraveller.com/business-travel/2019/05/28/lufthansa-to-increase-manchester-munich-service-from-november/
Below is a section from this article.
However Business Traveller has now learnt that Glaswegians will be losing their route to Munich with the final flight operating on Saturday October 26.

After that date anyone wishing to fly Lufthansa from Glasgow to Munich will need to change planes in Frankfurt.

In a statement to Business Traveller, Lufthansa says “despite all efforts the route was commercially not profitable. We regret this decision which was not an easy one for us.”

mwm991

11th Jun 2019, 19:14

FRA will do well to last another year as well.

sinbad73

11th Jun 2019, 19:33

https://www.businesstraveller.com/business-travel/2019/05/28/lufthansa-to-increase-manchester-munich-service-from-november/
Below is a section from this article.

You missed this out (from the very same article):

“All passengers who have been booked on this direct flight for this winter have automatically been rebooked (via Frankfurt) at no extra charge.”

LH2522/LH2523 operates again from 29MAR20, except Tuesdays & Thursdays.

LH 2522 MUCGLA 0835 0950
LH 2523 GLAMUC 1030 1340

inOban

11th Jun 2019, 20:05

Clearly there's not enough traffic to support both GLA and EDI, and they've chosen EDI.

FFHKG

12th Jun 2019, 10:04

LH like flying to capital cities!!

nivsy

12th Jun 2019, 10:24

LH like flying to capital cities!!
Nothing wrong with that is there? Besides they also fly to many other cities. Bottom line Glaswegians like cheap travel and LCC. Maybe cities of interest and culture also don't figure highly..😜

ScotsSLF

12th Jun 2019, 11:58

Nothing wrong with that is there? Besides they also fly to many other cities. Bottom line Glaswegians like cheap travel and LCC. Maybe cities of interest and culture also don't figure highly..😜

Hmm some major assumptions there as regards Glaswegians especially as there are more LCC flights from EDI than GLA. Perhaps it’s inbound tourists who are the deciding factor with the airlines given that Edinburgh is the tourist capital of Scotland

nivsy

12th Jun 2019, 12:28

Hmm some major assumptions there as regards Glaswegians especially as there are more LCC flights from EDI than GLA. Perhaps it’s inbound tourists who are the deciding facquite do tor with the airlines given that Edinburgh is the tourist capital of Scotland
And more scheduled flights outside LCC as well though..and I think the LCC flights ex EDI are not quite so bucket and spade orientated than that from GLA.

Skipness One Foxtrot

12th Jun 2019, 14:05

LH like flying to capital cities!!
Better not tell Manchester or Birmingham then....

Look, the GLA connection is mainly intended to feed LH's dual hub operation via FRA/MUC, just like TK do via IST, all of which do well at EDI and not GLA. GLA has had multiples tries at both LH to FRA, this is the third iteration, likewise Air France to CDG, all failed at GLA but continue with multiple daily frequencies out of EDI. It's international connectivity writ large. Frankly GLA is Scotland's Gatters to EDI's Heathrow.

Bucket and spade outbound versus capital city with great business connectivity. GLA's business offering is actually worse than it was when I was growing up in the 90s, not many UK airports can make that claim. Of course traffic volumes are up but just like Belfast (there's a link right there!), it's a case of #thatlldaeme

Rob Royston

12th Jun 2019, 16:07

Look, the GLA connection is mainly intended to feed LH's dual hub operation via FRA/MUC, just like TK do via IST, all of which do well at EDI and not GLA. GLA has had multiples tries at both LH to FRA, this is the third iteration, likewise Air France to CDG, all failed at GLA but continue with multiple daily frequencies out of EDI. It's international connectivity writ large. Frankly GLA is Scotland's Gatters to EDI's Heathrow.
A lot of working contractors from Scotland have been travelling to African destinations for the last twenty years. Lately, a lot of the flights they use leave CDG, FRA or AMS at around 11 AM then do two drops and two pick ups in Africa for the overnight return. Amsterdam is well served from both GLA and EDI with early flights out in the morning. CDG also works well going out from EDI, avoiding any overnight stays en route. Coming back is not always as good with many people doing a diversion to AMS.
GLA was a dead loss from both airports with a night spent in FRA going out from EDI and all other connections needing at least two flights. It depends on your final destination, but in all the years I did it, I couldn't understand why we just did not have a single Central Belt Airport in Scotland.

LFT

12th Jun 2019, 19:51

Better not tell Manchester or Birmingham then....

Look, the GLA connection is mainly intended to feed LH's dual hub operation via FRA/MUC, just like TK do via IST, all of which do well at EDI and not GLA. GLA has had multiples tries at both LH to FRA, this is the third iteration, likewise Air France to CDG, all failed at GLA but continue with multiple daily frequencies out of EDI. It's international connectivity writ large. Frankly GLA is Scotland's Gatters to EDI's Heathrow.

Bucket and spade outbound versus capital city with great business connectivity. GLA's business offering is actually worse than it was when I was growing up in the 90s, not many UK airports can make that claim. Of course traffic volumes are up but just like Belfast (there's a link right there!), it's a case of #thatlldaeme

"Traffic volumes are up." At Glasgow? Your posts look great to those who don't know but do you really think before you post, doesn't look like it, just the usual anti-Glasgow diatribe. Glasgow volume is down, yes, down.

Yeehaw22

12th Jun 2019, 20:05

"Traffic volumes are up." At Glasgow? Your posts look great to those who don't know but do you really think before you post, doesn't look like it, just the usual anti-Glasgow diatribe. Glasgow volume is down, yes, down.

think if you actually read the post, they were comparing figures from the mid 90s when pax figures were 5-6m per annum. Not the recent years where numbers have decreased.

Skipness One Foxtrot

13th Jun 2019, 09:25

"Traffic volumes are up." At Glasgow? Your posts look great to those who don't know but do you really think before you post, doesn't look like it, just the usual anti-Glasgow diatribe. Glasgow volume is down, yes, down.
As yeehaw22 said, I clearly meant from the '90s and the comparison from when I was growing up. The airport, both EDI and GLA are *much* busier, but the focus and gravity has moved east. The commercial landscape has changed somewhat since then.

Perhaps you should calm down, take your own advice and think before you post. As for me with my "usual anti-Glasgow diatribe", that's utter rubbish, I have supported GLA all my life, I was a local, however I try and be honest in my analysis and take the fan-boy goggles off as frankly they don't help anyone.

nivsy

13th Jun 2019, 10:28

As yeehaw22 said, I clearly meant from the '90s and the comparison from when I was growing up. The airport, both EDI and GLA are *much* busier, but the focus and gravity has moved east. The commercial landscape has changed somewhat since then.

Perhaps you should calm down, take your own advice and think before you post. As for me with my "usual anti-Glasgow diatribe", that's utter rubbish, I have supported GLA all my life, I was a local, however I try and be honest in my analysis and take the fan-boy goggles off as frankly they don't help anyone.
I quite agree. Nice post. GLA used to be my home airport many years ago. Passing through GLA these days usually depresses me I am afraid. We have all witnessed efforts from some airlines to make GLA work for them. Often on a number of occasions and times. It seems to fail.

nef

13th Jun 2019, 11:27

I quite agree. Nice post. GLA used to be my home airport many years ago. Passing through GLA these days usually depresses me I am afraid. We have all witnessed efforts from some airlines to make GLA work for them. Often on a number of occasions and times. It seems to fail.

Hmm......

- GLA-MUC is only suspended for winter, it's still here for S20 at 5 weekly airbus. That's still a deal more MUC service than GLA has had anytime in recent history - and more MUC service than most other UK regionals. Moreover, much of this summer demand is stimulated by inbound visitors - the ones some posters seem to think are virtually non-existant at GLA.......
- The FRA route has not failed, it has reduced in frequency by ONE day from daily to 6 weekly. For a winter season where we may be in a no deal Brexit situation that may well be prudent. Jan and Feb were somewhat quiet (as is the case all over Europe), but loads the rest of the year appeared reasonable and not wildly different to EDI.
- Edinburgh's "multiple daily" flights are not that multiple - AFAIK AF CDG is down to 2 daily and FRA was only 12 weekly in winter, hardly a stellar frequency.
- The last time LH flew their own metal to GLA was iirc over 20 years ago. I'm not sure how stuff that happened decades ago provides a predictor for now. If we take ZRH for instance, that's "failed" twice in the last 20 or so years from EDI on Crossair and bmi, so presumably the current Edelweiss service is destined to fail too? Of course not. What happened decades ago is little if any guide for now.
- Every time I see this kind of discussion come up I see the same lazy and incorrect stereotypes peddled here around tourism in Glasgow - "No inbound demand to Glasgow", "No tourists come to Glasgow", "All outbound/bucket and spade", blablabla. FACT: Glasgow is pretty consistently in the top 5 or 6 most visited destinations in the UK by foreign visitors. FACT: Glasgow is pretty consistently 3rd in the UK for foreign visitors with a "holiday" visit purpose. FACT: In 2017 (the most recent year with full stats) foreign visits to Glasgow were up 20% and N American visits up 40%, to make Glasgow the 3rd most visited UK city by Americans only behind London and Edinburgh.
(https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-45018809, visit Britain stats (https://www.visitbritain.org/town-data)) All this is before we consider pax who might use the airport as an access point to other popular areas like the W Highlands etc. I'm not saying Glasgow has as many tourists as Edinburgh, it clearly doesn't, but it does have markedly more inbound demand than is regularly suggested on here. Imo if there are not enough inbound pax using the airport the blame lies as much, if not more, with the airport and airlines rather than with the underlying market.

Finally, S1E - the other posters comments were over the top and uneccssary - but, with all due respect, as a poster who has posted here, like yourself, for many years, I'm sorry to say that on more than one occasion over the years I've felt your posts to imply a dismissive and sometimes disparaging view of the city of Glasgow and the wider west of Scotland, all too often trading on stereotypes of the region - your #thatlldaeme hash tag being a case in point. Perhaps you don't intend this, but I'm afraid that's how you come across on occasion.

You can of course post whatever you wish.........

Skipness One Foxtrot

13th Jun 2019, 11:54

- The last time LH flew their own metal to GLA was iirc over 20 years ago. I'm not sure how stuff that happened decades ago provides a predictor for now. If we take ZRH for instance, that's "failed" twice in the last 20 or so years from EDI on Crossair and bmi, so presumably the current Edelweiss service is destined to fail too? Of course not. What happened decades ago is little if any guide for now.
- Every time I see this kind of discussion come up I see the same lazy and incorrect stereotypes peddled here around tourism in Glasgow - "No inbound demand to Glasgow", "No tourists come to Glasgow", "All outbound/bucket and spade", blablabla. FACT: Glasgow is pretty consistently in the top 5 or 6 most visited destinations in the UK by foreign visitors. FACT: Glasgow is pretty consistently 3rd in the UK for foreign visitors with a "holiday" visit purpose. FACT: In 2017 (the most recent year with full stats) foreign visits to Glasgow were up 20% and N American visits up 40%, to make Glasgow the 3rd most visited UK city by Americans only behind London and Edinburgh.
(https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-45018809, visit Britain stats (https://www.visitbritain.org/town-data)) All this is before we consider pax who might use the airport as an access point to other popular areas like the W Highlands etc. I'm not saying Glasgow has as many tourists as Edinburgh, it clearly doesn't, but it does have markedly more inbound demand than is regularly suggested on here. Imo if there are not enough inbound pax using the airport the blame lies as much, if not more, with the airport and airlines rather than with the underlying market.

Finally, S1E - the other posters comments were over the top and uneccssary - but, with all due respect, as a poster who has posted here, like yourself, for many years, I'm sorry to say that on more than one occasion over the years I've felt your posts to imply a dismissive and sometimes disparaging view of the city of Glasgow and the wider west of Scotland, all too often trading on stereotypes of the region - your #thatlldaeme hash tag being a case in point. Perhaps you don't intend this, but I'm afraid that's how you come across on occasion.

You can of course post whatever you wish.........
I live in London nowadays so when I see GLA now I see it from a distance and perspective that will differ from someone who fights the corner locally. Looking back (home) I would say that too many Scots lack aspiration, don't like change, and believe they're "pure dead brilliant" or "the best wee country in the world". Travelling wider than younger me and having seen a fair few wee countries, I am not sure I agree. I have never suggested Glasgow had no inbound tourism, that's a classic straw man. What is very evident is that EDI growth was intentionally constrained at a group level by Scottish Airports who intended GLA to be Scotland's flagship airport.
However open competition has led to further market fragmentation with growth in long haul firmly in the East alongside connectivity to major airlines.

GLA remains pretty much as it was physically in 1994, aside from Gate 30 having more airbridges and a lounge added to the old International Pier. Loganair demolished one hangar and built another whereas Bond is net new. Now compare that with EDI or MAN in the same period. GLA has relatively under-performed against a booming UK aviation market.

nighthawk117

13th Jun 2019, 13:14

What is very evident is that EDI growth was intentionally constrained at a group level by Scottish Airports who intended GLA to be Scotland's flagship airport.
However open competition has led to further market fragmentation with growth in long haul firmly in the East alongside connectivity to major airlines.

I think this is a bit of a simplistic view of what's been happening over the years. There have been two other very important changes in the market over the years that have contributed to the shift:

1) Devolution - Re-instating the Scottish parliament.

Edinburgh was always been seen as Scotland's secondary city, playing second fiddle to Glasgow due to it's size. With the reinstatement of the parliament, Edinburgh got it's voice back, and it's international profile increased noticeably. This lead to a boost in both tourism and business in the city, driving increased demand.

2) Low Cost Revolution

Glasgow was traditionally the holiday gateway for Scots, and most major tour operators based their aircraft solely in Glasgow. The population of Edinburgh largely accepted that if they wanted to take a break in Spain etc., then they would need to travel from Glasgow. Flights from Edinburgh were almost non existent. That all changed with the low cost revolution. The low cost airlines were quick to spot the market in Edinburgh, and based their aircraft there before they did in Glasgow. Think FlyGlobespan, later to be replaced by Jet2. Easyjet and Ryanair were quick to enter the market here too. As the traditional charter carriers began to struggle and cut capacity, only then did they move in to Glasgow to take them on there.

Now I do believe there was a bit of a categorisation policy in play, but I don't think it had as big an affect as is stated. It certainly benefited the charter carriers to operate from a single base and encourage Edinburgh passengers to travel through to Glasgow to take flights. If there was a policy in place, I don't think they would have taken much persuading to follow it. As an example, look how quick they were to complain about being forced to use PIK for long haul flights. There was no legal challenge over being forced to use GLA over EDI for sunshine destinations.

BAA invested in the longhaul facilities in GLA at the expense of EDI, and airlines simply went were the facilities were.

Lets not forget Continental were operating in to EDI before the BAA ownership monopoly was broken up. The surge in low cost airlines and decline in package tour operators was also well underway before then too.

nivsy

13th Jun 2019, 15:35

So what have we established...not.much really except that while Glasgow as a city seems to attract a large number of tourists from.north America according to the stats the airport fails to bring them in. MAN as an example has many more flights to North America. So it's just not the tourists for there. Are many then jumping in cars and heading north? How about business? Evidence would show catchment area of MAN (obviously) means greater use so again with better cross pond flights. Then EDI seems to balance Scotland's needs perhaps with tourists and business from and to states side. GLA has token gestures. indeed it maybe the failings of the airport operator or just a fact that GLA cannot sustain loads. Don't despair it still has a seasonal charter with 747 to disney!! 🙈 a right good bucket and spade flight! It's a shame that GLA cannot hold European schedules. While it has been explained on the forum it's been done before and withdrawn the counter seems to have been that was on the past and does not reflect current market. Well I am not so sure. SAS never returned. A seasonal LH to MUC is not something to be proud of really. Is it? Brussels international from GLA? I suspect not. It was tried in the past. It's ok maybe GLA business just prefer like tourists the many flights to London so they can connect to frequent euros destinations. It's not per se a dig at GLA it's just observations that the airport appears to serve a market that is perhaps not quite a versatile as EDI now. Ido question just what the airport is itself doing to encourage. Not it's finest moment the dispute with RYR and consequential action which certainly reduced some services. I suspect all airlines take note.

jensdad

13th Jun 2019, 16:58

Reading this thread with interest here in Newcastle. There do seem to be similarities between GLA and NCL in that airlines struggle to make capital cities routes stick - NCL have in the last year or so lost Copenhagen, Madrid and Warsaw - and what some might see as an over-reliance on bucket & spade routes (nothing wrong with that, although one or two people on the NCL thread have occasionally mildly berated the population of NE England for wanting to lie on a beach for a week rather than walking round the Prado).

Anyway, I'm rambling. I see Prestwick is up for sale. My initial reaction is that it will end up closing as a commercial airport. Is GLA well placed to take on the cargo traffic that currently goes through PIK (Cargolux, Air France, Cargo Logic)?

A350Saltire

13th Jun 2019, 19:39

There is a very aggressive and competent management team at EDI whose shackles have been loosened since EDI was sold off. I wouldn’t underestimate their influence either.

The management teams at GLA have never come across as aggressive and hungry for new business in comparison IMHO.

nef

13th Jun 2019, 20:31

I live in London nowadays so when I see GLA now I see it from a distance and perspective that will differ from someone who fights the corner locally. Looking back (home) I would say that too many Scots lack aspiration, don't like change, and believe they're "pure dead brilliant" or "the best wee country in the world".

Afaik these phrases have been deleted from official use for many years. Perhaps your experience is different, but I've pretty much never heard ordinary people using them, particularly the latter.If I had to cite what I see as a collective failing in Scotland it would be a lack of self esteem - it's interesting that this would appear to be the polar opposite of your impression of people believing they're "pure dead brilliant". I must stress I'm not saying either impression is wrong or right - merely that the difference is interesting.

Finally, surely an integral part of aspiration is confidence, self promotion and talking oneself up? As such, I'm not sure how Scotland can be more aspirational without indulging in the latter (albeit hopefully somewhat more eloquently than previously!). "Scotland - We're not nearly as rich as Norway", probably isn't going to cut any ice.:-)

Anyway, this is deviating from aviation somewhat......

I have never suggested Glasgow had no inbound tourism, that's a classic straw man.

And you're taking what I said as literally as possible in order to create that straw man.;)

Notwithstanding that, tbh the impression I've taken over the years from your posts on this matter is that you think that foreign inbound tourism to Glasgow is negligible and the city's tourism offering and appeal is similarly severely limited (and compared to london or Paris it is, but of course Glasgow is not really competing with these places, but instead the likes of Bristol, Liverpool, Hamburg, Rotterdam etc).

Obviously I've misunderstood you on this, so I'd be happy to be corrected and hear your thoughts on the matter.

GLA has relatively under-performed against a booming UK aviation market.

I'd certainly agree with that.

I think many reasons have been put forward here and the reality is that what's happened at GLA is a combination of a little bit of each. However imo the break up of the BAA hold on GLA and EDI is the main one.

There may have been some categorisation, but I don't believe it ran right up to the sale or anytime near - let's lemember that DL ran (failed) EDI-ATL and JFK services long before then. Afaik in 2004/5 both US and EK were offered EDI, but chose GLA.

I'd suggest simply that the sale process has worked out very well for EDI and it was quickly delivered into the hands of an ambitious, well financed operator with a clear strategic vision. Meanwhile, GLA was first left with a LHR focussed BAA and then transferred to an organisation that is arguably to some extent a BAA spin out, an organisation with little in the way of new thinking, aspiration (that word again!), or strategy for growing the airport. As such it has struggled as EDI has grown and EDI's owners have cottoned onto this to target as many of GLA's pax as possible.

This isn't to say that if GLA had ended up with different owners it would be bigger than EDI, but I do suspect it would be doing a good bit better than it is now.

willy wombat

14th Jun 2019, 09:03

I can't resist putting my 10 pence worth in now. I am also someone for whom GLA was home airport for many years but now live in S E England and, when I visit Scotland, now normally fly into EDI as that is where the remainder of my family live. I think the geographical locations of the two airports is also very important. For an EDI passenger to use GLA they have to go right past or through Glasgow city centre whereas a GLA pax can reach EDI without going past or through Edinburgh. If EDI was located, for example, South East of Edinburgh I think its ability to draw pax from the West of Scotland would be much more limited. While I have complained on here many times about the facilities at EDI, you have to admit it has a real buzz about it whereas last time I travelled through GLA I found it downright depressing. The "old international" pier (that EasyJet use) doesn't look like it has seen paint in a decade (but if it has been done in the last few months I apologise). However recent remarks by Mr Dewar at EDI about the difficulty attracting and retaining traffic does lead you to think that a fair chunk of EDI's growth has maybe been "bought".

Skipness One Foxtrot

14th Jun 2019, 10:35

Notwithstanding that, tbh the impression I've taken over the years from your posts on this matter is that you think that foreign inbound tourism to Glasgow is negligible and the city's tourism offering and appeal is similarly severely limited (and compared to london or Paris it is, but of course Glasgow is not really competing with these places, but instead the likes of Bristol, Liverpool, Hamburg, Rotterdam etc).

I lived in Glasgow for a good few years, and was a huge fan at the time, of course since then I had my eyes opened to a bigger world and more effective ways of doing things. My "That'll dae me" reference was perhaps cheeky but a fair desciption of too many people who aren't driven to get on, the difference in the SE of England is enormous in that attitude, but money and talent attract money and talent in a classic virtuous circle. I wish both GLA and EDI well, even PIK could be a nice little winner if they closed the terminal IMHO. All politics is local which is why Glasgow City Council built at Abbotsinch when Renfrew closed rather than use Prestwick.
A central Scotland Airport is a fine idea, whose time will never come !

nivsy

14th Jun 2019, 16:42

I must say a central airport for Scotland would still be wonderful. It fits with the model of countries perhaps of the same size and could represent Scotland favourably in the aviation scene. There are many examples of new eco friendly airports being built throughout the world. It can create jobs in infrastructure and be the backbone for Scotland to develop and take away counter competitive activity between GLA and EDI. But we know it will never happen....

LFT

14th Jun 2019, 22:59

Finally, S1E - the other posters comments were over the top and uneccssary - but, with all due respect, as a poster who has posted here, like yourself, for many years, I'm sorry to say that on more than one occasion over the years I've felt your posts to imply a dismissive and sometimes disparaging view of the city of Glasgow and the wider west of Scotland, all too often trading on stereotypes of the region - your #thatlldaeme hash tag being a case in point. Perhaps you don't intend this, but I'm afraid that's how you come across on occasion.

Frequently I'd say, but anyhow, I reckon he/she is out of touch with what's going on up here, but here's hoping that DLH can make the FRA (and MUC) link(s) work and that other airlines can see the advantages of operating to a west Scotland airport rather than flock like sheep to Edinburgh, 3, or 4 is it, airlines operating from Edinburgh to/from Copenhagen, why?

A350Saltire

14th Jun 2019, 23:04

Frequently I'd say, but anyhow, I reckon he/she is out of touch with what's going on up here, but here's hoping that DLH can make the FRA (and MUC) link(s) work and that other airlines can see the advantages of operating to a west Scotland airport rather than flock like sheep to Edinburgh, 3, or 4 is it, airlines operating from Edinburgh to/from Copenhagen, why?

They can make more money at EDI year round?

LFT

14th Jun 2019, 23:26

They can make more money at EDI year round?

Maybe, you have the yields I'm assuming? If so, can you share? Thanks.

A350Saltire

15th Jun 2019, 02:17

Maybe, you have the yields I'm assuming? If so, can you share? Thanks.

No! It was a question, hence the ?

However I am sure if they could make more money at GLA they would be operating flights there already.

Bagheera

15th Jun 2019, 14:33

3 Copenhagen flights out of Edinburgh yesterday

Norwegian 178 in 186 out load factor 98%
EasyJet 152 in 154 out load factor 98%
Ryanair 183 in 182 out load factor 97%

Ok not yields and only one day but kinda sounds like they are all doing ok!

Skipness One Foxtrot

15th Jun 2019, 14:50

but anyhow, I reckon he/she is out of touch with what's going on up here, but here's hoping that DLH can make the FRA (and MUC) link(s) work and that other airlines
Out of touch? Nah
I grew up nearby and keep a close eye on “home”. I grew up with huge hopes watching NWA, BA, AA, AC and UA all launch long haul once PIK lost it’s monopoly. Then I discovered the meaning of the word “bubble” and became a marketing analyst.
I look at what was compared to what now is, American just dropped GLA, *again*. Air Canada once flew GLA-YYZ daily on a B741 and now manage 3 weekly peak summer. Continental flew 11 weekly 757s at their peak, or daily DC10-30s, now we have the shortest season EWR since launch in 1998. Kudos to Delta but look at the EDI/GLA split on DL/UA/AA/AC and ME3 capacity and it’s clear GLA is continuing to lose the battle badly. You wanna believe things are rosey, then fair play, but GLA these days to me is like the ex whose life just never turned out the way it was meant to.
It’s clear EDI management are prepared to make a compelling deal to airlines, I see little evidence AGS could find their own backside with both hands and a torch. Now THAT’s condescending.

VickersVicount

26th Jun 2019, 16:45

BA LHR increasing by 5 extra weekly flights for W19/20

ScotsSLF

26th Jun 2019, 19:48

About time there was added capacity on GLA - LHR

ifu05596

26th Jun 2019, 22:27

About time there was added capacity on GLA - LHR

Great news! It has been absolutely full and waitlisted every time I’ve been on it this month. I finished early today and couldn’t move into the 4.30, 6.30 or 8.15. Travelled to London on Sunday and was booked on last flight and would have moved to 3.30 or 6.30 as my plans changed but they were also full!

ScotsSLF

27th Jun 2019, 08:46

Great news! It has been absolutely full and waitlisted every time I’ve been on it this month. I finished early today and couldn’t move into the 4.30, 6.30 or 8.15. Travelled to London on Sunday and was booked on last flight and would have moved to 3.30 or 6.30 as my plans changed but they were also full!

Might bring the costs down slightly as well. Had to book two up and coming flights from Edinburgh instead of Glasgow to Heathrow due to the cost difference being well over £200.

VickersVicount

27th Jun 2019, 18:10

With todays announcement of agreement between AC and TS to merge and keep both brands, what will this mean for Canadian services at GLA.. can't see Rouge and TS operating simultaneously. Would actually prefer AC Rouge to be maintained, though presumably connections might be possible between operators. Interesting times.

ScotsSLF

1st Jul 2019, 08:46

GLA chaotic at security this morning with the longest queues I’ve ever encountered (outside Stansted and Mumbai) I thought the next round of strikes started on the 3rd July not the 1st?

VickersVicount

1st Jul 2019, 11:46

Not just the school holiday exodus that happens the same monday every year?

ScotsSLF

1st Jul 2019, 16:19

This was at 0930 after the initial early waves and to be honest it was more Canadian , US and Emirates pax by the looks of it as opposed to maw, paw and the weans heading to the costas. Only three lanes open, one of which was Fast Track. Queues right back to the entry machines and slow moving. Took me 40 mins when usually breeze through in 5-10 ( not fast track)

Billyboeing

2nd Jul 2019, 09:34

May traffic figures published, down 7.9% compared last May/ rolling 12 months down 4.7%

Other AGS airports:-

ABZ -2.4%/-4.3%
SOU -12.7%/-7.1%

Something seriously wrong with AGS surely, and not just their current employee/management relations?

VickersVicount

4th Jul 2019, 17:02

The planned TS A321LR GLA Winter service (originally planned twice weekly all winter) now listed as only until Dec. Not sure if that means back to A310 for rest of weeks planned operation or reduction.

XSBaggage

5th Jul 2019, 19:04

The flights are certainly still able to be booked in January, and it does state "A310-300" for the aircraft type (as opposed to a blank up to December regarding the type) so it looks like they will be continuing. One of the last chances for many people to fly on an A310 in Europe it would seem!

nivsy

11th Jul 2019, 06:18

Wondering if the reduction of the MUC flight with Lufty might be Newcastle's gain!
going 6 times weekly from Feb with 320.😒

sinbad73

11th Jul 2019, 09:40

Wondering if the reduction of the MUC flight with Lufty might be Newcastle's gain!
going 6 times weekly from Feb with 320.😒

If that’s the case what’s the ‘spare’ 320 doing from November to February?

GrahamK

11th Jul 2019, 09:56

If that’s the case what’s the ‘spare’ 320 doing from November to February?
The NCL flights have different times to the GLA flights so no link here. NCL will be on A319 as well

CabinCrewe

3rd Aug 2019, 12:49

after the DL pilot stopped for being drunk in the US, a UA flight ex GLA rumoured to be cancelled due to same... seems safegaurd monitoring is alive and well to prevent , though if true, shouldn't be happening in the first place. Mandatory random breathalyser testing must be considered?

goldeneye

4th Aug 2019, 06:14

tartan 201

14th Aug 2019, 06:56

Fifth based aircraft from EZY with new BHX route. Scotsman article below, which mentions increase in capacity on existing routes and easyjet saying "EasyJet has selected Glasgow as the focus of its growth in Scotland and we are excited about the future at Glasgow."

https://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/easyjet-announces-new-scottish-growth-focus-on-glasgow-with-birmingham-route-1-4983159

sinbad73

14th Aug 2019, 08:50

EZY to operate BHX-GLA 13 x PW from 29 March 2020

https://www.heraldscotland.com/business_hq/17834741.easyjet-pledges-50-jobs-glasgow-airport/

ScotsSLF

14th Aug 2019, 09:35

EZY to operate BHX-GLA 13 x PW from 29 March 2020

https://www.heraldscotland.com/business_hq/17834741.easyjet-pledges-50-jobs-glasgow-airport/

Finally some competition on this route. FlyBe have made some hay on it with prices sky high on occasion. I do though wonder if the market is big enough for two operators.

inOban

14th Aug 2019, 10:25

PDXCWL45

14th Aug 2019, 10:35

Precisely. EZY will operate at the peak, when Flybe make money. Since there won't be any Virgin connections to cross subsidise the route, Flybe will pull out entirely. Fortunately there's a fast train every two hours.
Why are you making that assumption? They compete on Belfast and compete on other routes as well against them from other airports. Only time will tell what happens but I wouldn't just assume that Flybe will pull off the route.

VickersVicount

14th Aug 2019, 16:50

Nice to have a commitment from EZY, but BHX is a weird choice and probably not something GLA needs. Surely better choices/offering than that. LHR if EZY operated there is what is needed if a domestic was to be chosen!
BRU, more CDG, CPH etc would have been better or some TFS. Might still come if indeed the 5th based not just for existing routes.

nivsy

14th Aug 2019, 16:53

While it seems odd it does seem to sum up GLA really. We can only assume that EZY has done it's home work and what comes out is the "delights" of BHX. Makes you wonder really where GLA pax sometimes go to but there you have it.

davidjohnson6

14th Aug 2019, 17:02

Easyjet route planners will not think "what unserved routes can we open at an airport to give pax the maximum choice of holiday destinations". Instead they think "how can we deploy aircraft to get the maximum profit"

Easyjet know Birmingham is not a strategically important airport for Virgin long-haul, and Flybe/Connect are perhaps unlikely to defend their BHX routes heavily if facing strong competition from a well-funded rival.
Or to put it a more crude way - Easyjet can smell blood in the water at Birmingham

inOban

14th Aug 2019, 17:53

From EDI, EZY operate domestic rotations in the first wave (LGA, STN, LTN, BRS, BFS), and then the frames go to continental destinations such as Berlin and Geneva at a more civilised hour. Seems to work.

CabinCrewe

14th Aug 2019, 19:57

More Spain/Canaries and Turkey will be the fillers. Dull but profitable im sure. Though TFS will no doubt go down a storm and BCN always seems underserved. MAD would have been nice.

SealinkBF

14th Aug 2019, 22:08

Finally some competition on this route. FlyBe have made some hay on it with prices sky high on occasion. I do though wonder if the market is big enough for two operators.

Just checked some Flybe fares. £34 each way doesnt seem like gouging. Probably last minute fares are higher...

ScotsSLF

15th Aug 2019, 05:04

Just checked some Flybe fares. £34 each way doesnt seem like gouging. Probably last minute fares are higher...

‘in all years I’ve been doing GLA (and EDI) to BHX I’ve never seen a fade as low as that. I tend to fly at fairly short notice to be fair and at peak times and as a result fares are higher. However I still maintain that having a monopoly FlyBe have milked the route and maybe the fares you’ve quoted are now a response to the EZY announcement?

CabinCrewe

26th Aug 2019, 11:57

The Canadian shareholder meeting for TS/AC quoted
"Air Canada plans to preserve the Transat and Air Transat brands and maintain the Transat head office and its key functions in Montreal. Travellers will benefit from the combined companies"

Suppose that still doesn't mean there won't be consolidation. Can we honestly expect ACr and TS to continue to operate GLA-YYZ in parallel (in summer total 8 times per week)?

VickersVicount

27th Aug 2019, 21:12

GLA figures missing from the CAA provisional July stats.

CabinCrewe

1st Sep 2019, 20:08

CabinCrewe

1st Sep 2019, 20:09

GLA figures missing from the CAA provisional July stats.
CAA page says next update w/b 2/9/19

OltonPete

1st Sep 2019, 21:43

Looks like A380 on the PM rotation with EK to DXB confirmed again and bookable for S20. I heard this forms part of a 3 year 'deal' to stick with the A380 on the route.
I think we all know what might happen after that...

From another forum it was not difficult to notice a high percentage of low density A388's that were used in August and per FR24 it seems 20 out of 31 flights on EK27 were either 489 or 491 seat aircraft. Was this pre-planned or right-sizing for the route? I originally thought these low density aircraft were usually used on ultra long-haul due to the extra crew rest space but it appears it is not that unusual as they do appear on other European and shorter Middle Eastern routes as well..

Pete